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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2021 16:28:27 GMT
I agree that a cop killed a civilian. He deserved to get charged with murder.
However, why is this about race?
I’d feel the same way if it were a black cop who killed a white man, or female, or whatever. Race, ethnicity, culture, gender, sexual orientation etc... none of that matters.
If a human does something wrong, they should be held accountable for it.
All these people who are making this out to be a victory for black oppression confuse me.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Apr 21, 2021 16:46:34 GMT
The problem is this human received his training from a police force that has systemically been used to brutalized blacks for so long, some people see it as part of the job.
That's understandable. However, to the black community that has been oppressed for so long, it really is about race.
That's because this incident is just one of many that has been affecting black neighborhoods and people for decades, if not centuries.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2021 17:25:13 GMT
The problem is this human received his training from a police force that has systemically been used to brutalized blacks for so long, some people see it as part of the job. That's understandable. However, to the black community that has been oppressed for so long, it really is about race. That's because this incident is just one of many that has been affecting black neighborhoods and people for decades, if not centuries. But that’s what is systematically wrong with racism to begin with. If we just teach people to treat humans correctly. Then that covers all humans. It isn’t a divisive issue. Police kill white people too. That is true, but that statement causes anger. But if I say “any police officer who murders anyone is wrong. That is a blanket truth that doesn’t put people in boxes for their race.
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Post by Prime etc. on Apr 21, 2021 18:08:43 GMT
It's not about the police-it's about race-baiting. The media want racial tensions.
And Hollywood has been peddling the message "it sucks to be a cop" since at least Madigan 1968.
In Dirty Harry, someone asks him why is he still a cop and he says "I really don't know." It would have made more sense to say: "someone has to do it," or "it seemed like a good idea at the time."
Chauvin was married to an Asian woman so how racist was he?
What happened to the post Detroit plan in the 1960s to add black police officers? How did that work out? I hear restaurants in Detroit have bullet-proof glass.
Here's the reality check, Minnesota used to be safe. Why isn't it now? The real red flag in this story is that you never heard of this sort of thing 2 decades ago in Minnesota--why not? What changed?
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Post by PreachCaleb on Apr 21, 2021 18:18:13 GMT
The problem is this human received his training from a police force that has systemically been used to brutalized blacks for so long, some people see it as part of the job. That's understandable. However, to the black community that has been oppressed for so long, it really is about race. That's because this incident is just one of many that has been affecting black neighborhoods and people for decades, if not centuries. But that’s what is systematically wrong with racism to begin with. Then that covers all humans. I agree. But that doesn't mean we ignore the current plight of a centuries-long oppressed group of people. We can discuss race and racism. There's nothing wrong with that. Especially if we're looking to bring up oppressed people.
But right now the reality is that systemic racism is still prevalent throughout US society.
Because the numbers are way more disproportionate to black people, especially black men. Even unarmed black men. Heck, even unarmed, innocent black men.
True, but that's not the prevalent issue. Plus, police reform would actually benefit everyone. It just so happens that black people are ones who demand it most since they're the ones suffering the most from it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2021 18:32:11 GMT
It's not about the police-it's about race-baiting. The media want racial tensions. And Hollywood has been peddling the message "it sucks to be a cop" since at least Madigan 1968. In Dirty Harry, someone asks him why is he still a cop and he says "I really don't know." It would have made more sense to say: "someone has to do it," or "it seemed like a good idea at the time." Chauvin was married to an Asian woman so how racist was he? What happened to the post Detroit plan in the 1960s to add black police officers? How did that work out? I hear restaurants in Detroit have bullet-proof glass. Here's the reality check, Minnesota used to be safe. Why isn't it now? The real red flag in this story is that you never heard of this sort of thing 2 decades ago in Minnesota--why not? What changed? It’s all a way to get us to fight each other and “don’t look at what’s going on behind the curtain. Look at the flashy light show.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Apr 21, 2021 18:41:17 GMT
Incorrect. They want ratings.
And Hollywood has been peddling the message "it sucks to be a cop" since at least Madigan 1968.
Yet he was still portrayed as the hero and got several sequels. And of course, that just ignores movies like Die Hard and Beverly Hills Cop, where the cops are always the heroes who kill with impunity and have wacky adventures.
An Asian woman is not the same as an African-American man. It's actually possible for someone to be racist against just one race.
Stats, please?
Social media. People decided they'd had enough and actually found a way to get this stuff out to the public without it being swept under the rug.
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Post by Sarge on Apr 22, 2021 5:30:50 GMT
Imagine if you went to a family reunion every year and brought up the time Aunty Sally's husband slept with her sister and then bitched that these two people just need to get past it. That's America and racism. If you rub salt into this wound year after year after year, it can't heal. The reality is I can't do anything about what happened to black people, or any other marginalized group that ever existed, except to treat people with respect. That's it, that's all I can do. I have no guilt, no sense that I owe anyone anything, no feeling that I am in any way culpable for the conditions of black people -- because I'm not. My family didn't own slaves or profit from slavery, and we sure as hell didn't bring slaves here from Africa or anywhere else. You can say I'm white, I benefited from the white system or whatever, but my family lived in shacks with gaps in the walls through which snow would blow, that doesn't sound privileged to me. Maybe it's not about black and white and it's about the exploitation of the powerless by those with power. 1,000,000 Irish starved to death over 5 years in the mid-1800s. White men and children died by the thousands in coal mines and their communities continue to suffer high rates of birth defects because of the mines. The wealthiest corporations barely pay a livable wage and the wealthiest people barely pay taxes. There are communities in the country (white and black) where the water isn't safe to drink. The pretend war on drugs has been nothing but a raid on public coffers. The media profits from racism, money into the pockets of the wealthy by exploiting racial tensions. Rather than fighting each other, we need to think about our country, our communities, and respect one another. And whether the white supremacists like it or not, blacks are here to stay and they are American citizens and need to be treated like American citizens.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Apr 22, 2021 13:23:50 GMT
Actually, it's more like if Aunt Sally's husband is still sleeping with her sister, but you keep ignoring it hoping it'll solve itself.
The reality is that there is plenty to do for black people, which includes reformation of a 200+ year old system that was set up in place to work against them. Pretending white people don't benefit from this system is the slap in the face that keeps rubbing salt in the wound.
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Post by Sarge on Apr 22, 2021 23:15:11 GMT
Actually, it's more like if Aunt Sally's husband is still sleeping with her sister, but you keep ignoring it hoping it'll solve itself. The reality is that there is plenty to do for black people, which includes reformation of a 200+ year old system that was set up in place to work against them. Pretending white people don't benefit from this system is the slap in the face that keeps rubbing salt in the wound. Actually it's just like I said. Now imagine if you actually read and responded to what I wrote, but that would require new thoughts, and warm fuzzy propaganda is so much easier.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Apr 23, 2021 13:08:32 GMT
Actually, it's more like if Aunt Sally's husband is still sleeping with her sister, but you keep ignoring it hoping it'll solve itself. The reality is that there is plenty to do for black people, which includes reformation of a 200+ year old system that was set up in place to work against them. Pretending white people don't benefit from this system is the slap in the face that keeps rubbing salt in the wound. Actually it's just like I said. Now imagine if you actually read and responded to what I wrote, but that would require new thoughts, and warm fuzzy propaganda is so much easier. Actually, it's not like you said. Now imagine if you actually realized African Americans still face systemic racism. But that would require accepting reality, and living in white privilege is so much easier.
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Post by Sarge on Apr 23, 2021 17:53:54 GMT
Actually it's just like I said. Now imagine if you actually read and responded to what I wrote, but that would require new thoughts, and warm fuzzy propaganda is so much easier. Actually, it's not like you said. Now imagine if you actually realized African Americans still face systemic racism. But that would require accepting reality, and living in white privilege is so much easier. Speak for yourself, no self loathing here, no guilt either.
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Post by cooly44 on Apr 23, 2021 18:42:00 GMT
They call black cops culturally white. There’s no winning this sick game.
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Post by hi224 on Apr 23, 2021 18:46:08 GMT
Imagine if you went to a family reunion every year and brought up the time Aunty Sally's husband slept with her sister and then bitched that these two people just need to get past it. That's America and racism. If you rub salt into this wound year after year after year, it can't heal. The reality is I can't do anything about what happened to black people, or any other marginalized group that ever existed, except to treat people with respect. That's it, that's all I can do. I have no guilt, no sense that I owe anyone anything, no feeling that I am in any way culpable for the conditions of black people -- because I'm not. My family didn't own slaves or profit from slavery, and we sure as hell didn't bring slaves here from Africa or anywhere else. You can say I'm white, I benefited from the white system or whatever, but my family lived in shacks with gaps in the walls through which snow would blow, that doesn't sound privileged to me. Maybe it's not about black and white and it's about the exploitation of the powerless by those with power. 1,000,000 Irish starved to death over 5 years in the mid-1800s. White men and children died by the thousands in coal mines and their communities continue to suffer high rates of birth defects because of the mines. The wealthiest corporations barely pay a livable wage and the wealthiest people barely pay taxes. There are communities in the country (white and black) where the water isn't safe to drink. The pretend war on drugs has been nothing but a raid on public coffers. The media profits from racism, money into the pockets of the wealthy by exploiting racial tensions. Rather than fighting each other, we need to think about our country, our communities, and respect one another. And whether the white supremacists like it or not, blacks are here to stay and they are American citizens and need to be treated like American citizens. you seem to always be an apologist....
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Post by hi224 on Apr 23, 2021 18:47:04 GMT
Actually, it's not like you said. Now imagine if you actually realized African Americans still face systemic racism. But that would require accepting reality, and living in white privilege is so much easier. Speak for yourself, no self loathing here, no guilt either. also you quite like the strawman argument...
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Post by Sarge on Apr 23, 2021 21:13:08 GMT
Speak for yourself, no self loathing here, no guilt either. also you quite like the strawman argument... you seem to always be an apologist.... Since you desperately want my attention, I'll give you a little bit... Considering all the time you waste on this site writing incomplete sentences and inane replies, you really should be better at insults and probably would be if you spent more time thinking than responding. Hope you enjoyed our time together.
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Post by hi224 on Apr 23, 2021 21:30:17 GMT
also you quite like the strawman argument... you seem to always be an apologist.... Since you desperately want my attention, I'll give you a little bit... Considering all the time you waste on this site writing incomplete sentences and inane replies, you really should be better at insults and probably would be if you spent more time thinking than responding. Hope you enjoyed our time together. I already have plenty of fun being entirely glad I am not you  .
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Post by moviemouth on Apr 24, 2021 7:13:44 GMT
According to stats, black males are killed with deadly force more often then whites and in more cases where they are unarmed.
The judicial system has ignored it for a long time it seems and the cops are often not punished for it to the degree they should be.
The real question is Chauvin a racist and would he have not done the same thing in the same situation if it were a white man of the same size for the same thing. Another thing we have to take into account is the black people have a well-deserved fear of the police to begin with and this may cause them to be less likely to comply.
It should not only be seen as a victory for black people, but a victory for victims of any race killed due to excessive force by police.
Will we ever get to complete equality in this country? I doubt it. Bias comes from both sides, especially in the media.
I don't think most people want equality in fact. Emotion is what fuels a lot of this and it gets in the way of seeing things clearly.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Apr 26, 2021 13:03:09 GMT
Actually, it's not like you said. Now imagine if you actually realized African Americans still face systemic racism. But that would require accepting reality, and living in white privilege is so much easier. Speak for yourself, no self loathing here, no guilt either. I know. That's why I said living in white privilege is easier.
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