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Post by Spooky Ghost Ackbar on Apr 24, 2021 16:04:09 GMT
People take blood pressure meds and cholesterol meds and everything else their doctor tell him (as they should), side effects and all, but Oh No! This vaccine ain’t might not never be safe! No, the government won’t put super secret mind tracking alien nano-droids in antibiotics or Tylenol but they’re in the vaccine! No, we don’t care about the chemicals in Diet Coke, drink ten a day and smoke a pack of cigarettes and eat at McDonalds. But a vaccine?! No way!
I think it must have something to do with the idea that it comes from a needle and goes directly into your blood. It seems scarier to people. As if ingesting things is any different.
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Post by politicidal on Apr 24, 2021 16:14:15 GMT
Possibly it's the needle itself. Never was afraid of them.
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Post by Catman 猫的主人 on Apr 24, 2021 16:15:45 GMT
But it doesn't go directly into your blood.
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Post by TheOriginalPinky on Apr 24, 2021 16:57:31 GMT
The cult of stupid.
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Post by Spitfire926f on Apr 24, 2021 18:01:07 GMT
I'm working on a geripsych unit and an employee who refused the vaccine just tested positive. No idea who all she may have infected. Patients need a negative test to get in here. They're going to start testing them in 5 days after the known exposure to this employee.
The last time they had a COVID outbreak it was last year. Two patients actually died from it. So glad I'm vaccinated and my mom is too.
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Post by autumn on Apr 24, 2021 18:03:52 GMT
But it doesn't go directly into your blood. True. It does not go directly into your blood. It's not injected into your vein, it's subcutaneous, but the medication itself gets absorbed into your tissues. As the drug spreads throughout your body, I would imagine molecules of the medicine get into your blood as well as all your other tissues. There's a medication I take for my heart that's in the form of an injection that I give myself monthly. It's subcutaneous, but the drug does eventually get into my bloodstream. The injection is just the delivery method. Perhaps it's people misunderstanding, seeing a needle, they freak the heck out and automatically assume they're jamming a needle into a vein. It's fear and ignorance. A lot of people have needle-phobias in general. They panic when getting lab work and would never consider donating blood, and that is when a needle goes directly into the vein. For some, they don't differentiate.
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Post by divtal on Apr 24, 2021 18:24:07 GMT
I've wondered what percentage of people who fear Bill Gates' "sneaky additions," to the vaccine ... or other such nonsense ... are actually fearful of needles, or a possible immediate side effects.
Ironically, while I don't mind injections, I would be understanding of someone who has that kind of hesitancy, and would try to be reassuring about the shot, and mild reactions. But, those who cite these bizarre conspiracy theories, I just write off as being nut cases.
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Post by novastar6 on Apr 25, 2021 2:23:00 GMT
You can sue any company that manufactures any pills if their side effects become a serious situation. People HAVE sued McDonald's, etc. The vaccine manufacturers can never be sued, it wouldn't matter if a million people dropped dead from adverse reactions every single year, they are not held accountable.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Apr 25, 2021 3:43:26 GMT
I saw a small protest by anti-vaxxers here in Montreal today. Probably about 30 people with signs against the Covid vaccines. I was thinking about their reasoning and motivation and I just can’t figure it out. I mean, I can understand people who don’t want to take a vaccine. I strongly disagree with them and I think they are idiots, but I can understand them. They are afraid that the vaccines haven’t been tested well enough, or that the risk is greater than the reward, or whatever. I can also understand people who would be against the government making vaccination mandatory. That would be problematic and counter to individual rights. But why would anyone be against others taking the vaccine? How does it affect them?
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Post by novastar6 on Apr 25, 2021 3:47:09 GMT
I saw a small protest by anti-vaxxers here in Montreal today. Probably about 30 people with signs against the Covid vaccines. I was thinking about their reasoning and motivation and I just can’t figure it out. I mean, I can understand people who don’t want to take a vaccine. I strongly disagree with them and I think they are idiots, but I can understand them. They are afraid that the vaccines haven’t been tested well enough, or that the risk is greater than the reward, or whatever. I can also understand people who would be against the government making vaccination mandatory. That would be problematic and counter to individual rights. But why would anyone be against others taking the vaccine? How does it affect them?
Because nobody wants it to be 'just them', people want it mandatory for EVERYONE to have to take, OR ELSE, even though nobody actually knows if it's safe or not, how safe it is, and how long down the road averse reactions could set in, people aren't waiting to find out if it'll kill you or not before deciding 'you can't come in here/work here/be outside your home if you don't have it'.
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Post by Sarge on Apr 25, 2021 3:54:02 GMT
I know very few anti-vaxxers in real life and they have all been people of low intelligence although some had the personality to achieve some success. The covid anti-vax movement is tribalism and seems different, people who are more afraid of being perceived as weak by their red hat peers, than they are of the virus. Local anti-covid vaxxers portray anyone getting the jab as "living in fear," and there is no rationality in them.
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Post by novastar6 on Apr 25, 2021 4:15:45 GMT
I know very few anti-vaxxers in real life and they have all been people of low intelligence although some had the personality to achieve some success. The covid anti-vax movement is tribalism and seems different, people who are more afraid of being perceived as weak by their red hat peers, than they are of the virus. Local anti-covid vaxxers portray anyone getting the jab as "living in fear," and there is no rationality in them.
There's also no rationality to 'OMG, every single person in the world is gonna die of Covid if they don't get the shot, nobody can have church, nobody can have funerals, nobody can have fairs, close amusement parks, close bars, close schools, close libraries, keep casinos open because they provide a service, let BLM have thousands of people rioting in the streets, they wear masks, don't go vote at the polls, you'll die from Covid!'
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Post by Sarge on Apr 25, 2021 6:29:09 GMT
I know very few anti-vaxxers in real life and they have all been people of low intelligence although some had the personality to achieve some success. The covid anti-vax movement is tribalism and seems different, people who are more afraid of being perceived as weak by their red hat peers, than they are of the virus. Local anti-covid vaxxers portray anyone getting the jab as "living in fear," and there is no rationality in them.
There's also no rationality to 'OMG, every single person in the world is gonna die of Covid if they don't get the shot, nobody can have church, nobody can have funerals, nobody can have fairs, close amusement parks, close bars, close schools, close libraries, keep casinos open because they provide a service, let BLM have thousands of people rioting in the streets, they wear masks, don't go vote at the polls, you'll die from Covid!'
My sister and her husband used to talk that way, he died last Sunday after 5 weeks in the hospital with C19. Luckily my sister survived and was released this week but has to have follow ups. Truthfully, I don't feel at all bad about him dying, he was an idiot and deserved every minute of pain. My sister deserved it too but I'm glad she didn't die and I'm glad she learned a lesson, now she's all about masks and vaccines.
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Post by Stammerhead on Apr 25, 2021 10:31:32 GMT
I know very few anti-vaxxers in real life and they have all been people of low intelligence although some had the personality to achieve some success. The covid anti-vax movement is tribalism and seems different, people who are more afraid of being perceived as weak by their red hat peers, than they are of the virus. Local anti-covid vaxxers portray anyone getting the jab as "living in fear," and there is no rationality in them.
There's also no rationality to 'OMG, every single person in the world is gonna die of Covid if they don't get the shot, nobody can have church, nobody can have funerals, nobody can have fairs, close amusement parks, close bars, close schools, close libraries, keep casinos open because they provide a service, let BLM have thousands of people rioting in the streets, they wear masks, don't go vote at the polls, you'll die from Covid!'
I don’t think anyone has claimed that COVID has the potential to wipe out humanity. Of course there are always inconsistencies to point out (didn’t know about US casinos but here in the UK they were also closed during lockdown) but perhaps both sides of the debate are slippery with the truth at times.
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Post by novastar6 on Apr 25, 2021 14:13:14 GMT
There's also no rationality to 'OMG, every single person in the world is gonna die of Covid if they don't get the shot, nobody can have church, nobody can have funerals, nobody can have fairs, close amusement parks, close bars, close schools, close libraries, keep casinos open because they provide a service, let BLM have thousands of people rioting in the streets, they wear masks, don't go vote at the polls, you'll die from Covid!'
I don’t think anyone has claimed that COVID has the potential to wipe out humanity. Of course there are always inconsistencies to point out (didn’t know about US casinos but here in the UK they were also closed during lockdown) but perhaps both sides of the debate are slippery with the truth at times.
I didn't know about it either until months later, a friend of mine told me 'yeah they close churches which have food pantries and soup kitchens so poor people can eat, but keep casinos open under the argument they serve food so they're an essential business'.
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Post by Spooky Ghost Ackbar on Apr 26, 2021 19:29:49 GMT
I know very few anti-vaxxers in real life and they have all been people of low intelligence although some had the personality to achieve some success. The covid anti-vax movement is tribalism and seems different, people who are more afraid of being perceived as weak by their red hat peers, than they are of the virus. Local anti-covid vaxxers portray anyone getting the jab as "living in fear," and there is no rationality in them.
There's also no rationality to 'OMG, every single person in the world is gonna die of Covid if they don't get the shot, nobody can have church, nobody can have funerals, nobody can have fairs, close amusement parks, close bars, close schools, close libraries, keep casinos open because they provide a service, let BLM have thousands of people rioting in the streets, they wear masks, don't go vote at the polls, you'll die from Covid!'
Take a vacation to India. It’s lovely this time of year. I’ll buy you a ticket.
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Post by moviemouth on Apr 26, 2021 21:01:11 GMT
It's not hypocrisy.
It is paranoia of vaccines because of the myth that they cause autism and stuff like that. I think there was some evidence there was some truth there, until it was shown to be false.
Other medications don't have those myths as far as I'm aware.
COVID specifically is thought to be a big conspiracy by the government by the ant-vaxxers. This is why they don't wear masks too.
I personally don't trust the COVID vaccine completely because it is new (this would go for anything I am unfamiliar with that is going in my body), not because I think there is some government conspiracy going on.
I am still going to get the vaccine though.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Apr 26, 2021 21:36:59 GMT
If on day 1 Donald Trump said that wearing masks was a good idea there wouldn’t be a single protest today. Instead he mocked them, ridiculed them, and the morons who take his word as gospel towed his company line.
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Post by novastar6 on Apr 26, 2021 22:30:28 GMT
If on day 1 Donald Trump said that wearing masks was a good idea there wouldn’t be a single protest today. Instead he mocked them, ridiculed them, and the morons who take his word as gospel towed his company line.
On day 1 Fauci Almighty said ONLY sick people should wear masks. And EVERYBODY'S supposed to live and die based on what Fauci says because he's an expert, he knows what he's talking about, right? Or is it no, he has NO IDEA what he's talking about?
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Post by novastar6 on Apr 26, 2021 22:31:05 GMT
There's also no rationality to 'OMG, every single person in the world is gonna die of Covid if they don't get the shot, nobody can have church, nobody can have funerals, nobody can have fairs, close amusement parks, close bars, close schools, close libraries, keep casinos open because they provide a service, let BLM have thousands of people rioting in the streets, they wear masks, don't go vote at the polls, you'll die from Covid!'
Take a vacation to India. It’s lovely this time of year. I’ll buy you a ticket.
Hmm, yeah, what happened in India? Were they relying on Trump's intel to tell them how to protect against Covid? Do they not have any leaders in their country who think for themselves?
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