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Post by alfromni on Apr 30, 2021 7:17:42 GMT
I am 81 years old, and as far as I know I've never had an enemy in my life, at least not a lasting one.
I've served my country in various ways and have brought up my family in a decent way. I'm retired and my wife died eight years ago. I'm not personally religious, but have no feelings either for or against religion. It's a personal choice for anyone. I've never even thought about race, as I've never had to deal with it. I've always treated an individual as an individual.
I'm house-bound and being tended where necessary by my son and grandson. I have interests in music, writing, reading and of course movies and, being British, mainly British movies. So now to the crux of all this.
A few days ago I was conversing online to some guy, I forget his online name. Unimportant. I happened to mention that I'd been loaned a copy of the movie "Gone With The Wind" which I hadn't seen for decades but was currently watching. I was immediately branded by this online person as being a racist and a white supremacist. I could tell by the tone that he was serious, and not kidding.
I ignored this insult and moved to a different online activity, but then some time later I got to thinking...
The term "white supremacist" is one which is currently being bandied around continually and indiscriminately, particularly in America, but no one seems to able to define it. So I ask here.
What exactly is "white supremacy"? Can anyone define it? I just wish for answers, not involvement.
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Post by ck100 on Apr 30, 2021 7:21:22 GMT
I think it has to do with Hitler wanting a master race of white people with Aryan looks during World War II.
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Post by cooly44 on Apr 30, 2021 10:22:28 GMT
In the current political climate all whites are white supremacists. The definition is having pale skin.
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Post by TheOriginalPinky on Apr 30, 2021 14:16:35 GMT
A white supremist is defined as a person who believes that the white race is inherently superior to other races and that white people should have control over people of other races.
People confuse watching era-appropriate entertainment that shows the norms of the day as offensive and they take issue with it, ignoring that it was of a certain time. It's entertainment. Don't like it? Don't watch it.
I wouldn't worry about it. This person is obviously overreacting and confusing real white supremacy with art from a specific time period. If we erase what was, how can we ensure that we learn from it and it is not repeated? You can't (excuse the expression) white-wash history. It is what it is. It should not be suppressed.
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Post by alfromni on Apr 30, 2021 17:20:46 GMT
Thanks for the replies guys. Crazy that watching "Gone With The Wind" should make me a racist or a white supremacist. The subject of race hadn't even been mentioned hitherto in the conversation. The person didn't know if I was white, black, brown, yellow, or even purple. The movie must have been the catalyst for his remarks.
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Post by novastar6 on Apr 30, 2021 17:29:10 GMT
Thanks for the replies guys. Crazy that watching "Gone With The Wind" should make me a racist or a white supremacist. The subject of race hadn't even been mentioned hitherto in the conversation. The person didn't know if I was white, black, brown, yellow, or even purple. The movie must have been the catalyst for his remarks.
TCM actually put it in a scheduled lineup where the theme was, I forget the actual wording, the gist of it was 'movies that were mistakes, that shouldn't have been made, need to be fixed', something like that.
This woke culture can all go to hell. I miss Robert Osbourne.
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Post by moviemouth on Apr 30, 2021 17:41:51 GMT
I didn't even realize this was hard to understand.
It is when white people are on the top and everyone else is beneath and the belief that white people are the superior race.
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Post by enigma72 on Apr 30, 2021 18:47:27 GMT
alfromnithanks for asking. I don't know, and would like to know the answer. About a year ago a black poster said that "Gone with the Wind is overrated". I couldn't understand. It is such a compelling story. Truly a classic. So I, too, share your quandary.
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Post by alfromni on Apr 30, 2021 19:56:36 GMT
Strange then that in countries of non-white domination no one ever screams "black supremacy". Population is determined by demographic distribution.
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Post by paislene on May 1, 2021 0:41:23 GMT
This guy obviously has a very limited vision of life . His opinion is very narrow-minded .
I think it's almost certain that he is part of that online evil species known as 'Troll' .
Gone with The Wind is an outstanding movie that shows the demise of the Southern Slavers ,
and the rise of slaves to become equal with their former cruel masters . And that comment
was just the action of a ignorant troll trying to enable and justify himself .
   
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 6:02:13 GMT
White supremacy does exist or at least the thought of it does in some people.
Unfortunately it's now a name being thrown around often without merit. Not all white people are a "white supremacist". Just like
not all people of color are poor or uneducated or criminals.
We can't control how others choose to view us. We can only control what we can control. Which includes how we live or lives and how
we choose to treat people.
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Post by alfromni on May 1, 2021 6:15:49 GMT
What I find strange is that when watching US TV news channels I see many of the folks who scream "white supremacy" are themselves white. This of course doesn't prevent their leaders (mostly also white) moving into positions of power. Some of these 'elites' have even been friends or cohorts of known racists such as the KKK. No names mentioned. I'm sure you can fill in the blanks. |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 6:56:54 GMT
What I find strange is that when watching US TV news channels I see many of the folks who scream "white supremacy" are themselves white. This of course doesn't prevent their leaders (mostly also white) moving into positions of power. Some of these 'elites' have even been friends or cohorts of known racists such as the KKK. No names mentioned. I'm sure you can fill in the blanks. The US is in the biggest civil rights movement in it's history. The term "white supremacy" is used as a battle cry even though it's not always correct. It's meant to mean equal rights for all but it' not what the term means. As far as the leaders go, that's democracy. "that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” One of the issues is that the people who stand for the country and the values it was created on are often the ones most vocal and their views go completely against it.
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Post by cooly44 on May 1, 2021 10:12:28 GMT
What I find strange is that when watching US TV news channels I see many of the folks who scream "white supremacy" are themselves white. This of course doesn't prevent their leaders (mostly also white) moving into positions of power. Some of these 'elites' have even been friends or cohorts of known racists such as the KKK. No names mentioned. I'm sure you can fill in the blanks. Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton. For the younger folks.
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Post by autumn on May 1, 2021 15:13:02 GMT
A white supremist is defined as a person who believes that the white race is inherently superior to other races and that white people should have control over people of other races. People confuse watching era-appropriate entertainment that shows the norms of the day as offensive and they take issue with it, ignoring that it was of a certain time. It's entertainment. Don't like it? Don't watch it. I wouldn't worry about it. This person is obviously overreacting and confusing real white supremacy with art from a specific time period. If we erase what was, how can we ensure that we learn from it and it is not repeated? You can't (excuse the expression) white-wash history. It is what it is. It should not be suppressed. I think it may be too late for that, as books are being banned in libraries, statues are being torn down, classes being taught from the young straight through to college level are very bizarre to anyone who's taken a look at what they're teaching our kids nowadays. We're forbidden from referencing history or even showing movies from time periods that reference POC in what today's lenses view as a "negative light" without any consideration to the time period in which they were made. Everything from the past is being viewed through today's eyes, judged through today's eyes, and being destroyed as if it never exists so people will never know it existed. That, to me, is rewriting history. Do that, and there's nothing to learn from. There's angry people out there angry because they're told they should be angry.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on May 1, 2021 19:05:13 GMT
It is like the Boogeyman - except a large number of people believe it actually exists.
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Post by gameboy on May 2, 2021 2:28:38 GMT
A white supremacist is a person who says that white people, who originated in Europe, are innately superior based on genetics.
I believe white supremacism is nonsense.
However, I will unabashedly argue that "white" European civilization is superior to every other civilization on earth. I can easily prove that by reminding you that none of us would be on the computer on the internet if white European civilization hadn't invented it.
I call myself a "Euro-Supremacist" because I base our supremacy on actual proof, what the white race has invented, not only in technology but also in philosophy and political concepts like representative democracy.
But this has nothing to do with any genetic superiority of whites. It's the result of our superior culture and history.
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Post by Stammerhead on May 2, 2021 19:44:29 GMT
alfromni thanks for asking. I don't know, and would like to know the answer. About a year ago a black poster said that "Gone with the Wind is overrated". I couldn't understand. It is such a compelling story. Truly a classic. So I, too, share your quandary. Saying something is overrated is really just another way of saying you don’t like it. It’s also another way of saying that your taste is better than everyone else’s or, if you’re like Trump, it’s saying that a successful person has just said something mean about you.
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Post by Sarge on May 3, 2021 0:45:14 GMT
The movement is called post-modernism and is a new ideology that seeks to supplant individual rights (liberalism) with group/ethnic rights. The post-modernist bogeyman is "white people" even though that includes thousands of cultures around the world, specifically they mean light skinned Americans regardless of culture or ethnicity.
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Post by alfromni on May 4, 2021 11:01:27 GMT
So "White Supremacy" and the "Marxist Critical Race Theory" seems to be one and the same. Is that correct?
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