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Post by alfromni on May 2, 2021 13:23:45 GMT
Not being an American, nor ever having even visited America, can someone over the Pond please tell this Brit what a new "imagined" U.S law and order system would look like, and how it would work in practical terms?
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Post by Spitfire926f on May 2, 2021 13:55:12 GMT
No one over here knows either.
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Post by alfromni on May 2, 2021 13:59:34 GMT
Someone must imagine they do.  |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on May 4, 2021 19:55:42 GMT
Not being an American, nor ever having even visited America, can someone over the Pond please tell this Brit what a new "imagined" U.S law and order system would look like, and how it would work in practical terms? As soon as you answer the Brit version of that same question, I'll get right on it!
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Post by alfromni on May 4, 2021 20:03:22 GMT
We don't have a "Brit version" of my question. Whilst not perfect it's not our police which is being defunded, nor is our law and order being newly "imagined" by our government.
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Post by TutuAnimationPrincess on May 4, 2021 20:16:35 GMT
Depends on who you ask I guess. In my opinion, we need a massive amount of decriminalization and decentralization. If we can accomplish both of those, a newer, better form of law and order can follow.
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Post by alfromni on Jun 8, 2021 17:54:24 GMT
So how is the "imagining" doing in Chicago, New York, Portland, San Fran and LA and other places in blue States? Not too well it would seem.
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Post by divtal on Jun 8, 2021 18:19:09 GMT
We don't have a "Brit version" of my question. Whilst not perfect it's not our police which is being defunded, nor is our law and order being newly "imagined" by our government. Alfromni, I have never heard the term, applied to either US or British law. So, I appealed to the Google gods. With all due respect, according to this entry, it would appear that it does exist on the British law books. It may apply in some places in the US. I'm not an attorney, but I would guess that it would exist as a state, or local statute, if that's the case. legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/imagining
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Post by alfromni on Jun 8, 2021 18:31:01 GMT
divtal - The reference to "imagining new law and order and policing policies in America" came not from the UK, or from any law books, but directly from the mouths of Democratic Party politicians, their supporters, and their supporting media on American TV news channels. Not once but repeatedly. Here's just one example. It's in the second half of the video.
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Post by divtal on Jun 8, 2021 22:48:47 GMT
Alfromni,
I did/do think that the phrase "de-fund the police," was ill considered (read: "stupid"). From media, much explanation went into it, which would not have been needed, had it not been employed in the first place.
From my understanding, it was a suggested plan to re-direct some public money, usually allocated to Police departments, to organizations that are better equipped to negotiate/resolve, calls that are more appropriately suited to their training.
The clip that you offered, notwithstanding, I was never overwhelmed with the term "imagining," or "re-imagining." Most of the protest, here, was over the term "Defund."
Some communities, I'm sure, are ascertaining the possibility of public money being re-dispersed to even the the responsibility, and the expertise, of the organizations that should be dispatched to deal with the array of emergencies. That seems reasonable, to me.
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Post by alfromni on Jun 9, 2021 1:02:21 GMT
OK you have your ideas, but I find it crazy to side with the criminals and forget the victims, which in essence is what the Biden administration is doing.
Just to add...
There are bad apples in any organisation, but if you suddenly find you're being robbed and/or in danger, who are you going to ring to get help? The police who many want to deplete...or a probably incompetent social worker? The police need more funds not less.
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Post by autumn on Jun 9, 2021 4:21:59 GMT
divtal - The reference to "imagining new law and order and policing policies in America" came not from the UK, or from any law books, but directly from the mouths of Democratic Party politicians, their supporters, and their supporting media on American TV news channels. Not once but repeatedly. Here's just one example. It's in the second half of the video. That is seriously messed up. It sickens me to see the laughing and chortling, getting their mugs on their phone to record themselves grinning while wishing death on innocent human beings. If they don't want people to wish death on them, if they want their human life respected, then why aren't they respecting life? They're not making a very good case for themselves. This kind of attitude is what lends themselves to criminal lifestyles (flouting authority, disrespect for life of others, cruelty, the jocularity over suffering and the egotistical need to broadcast). Chances are, these are the types of people the cops have problems with and it has nothing to do with their race. It has to do with their atrocious attitude. Someone's mama didn't bring their boys up right.
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Post by Jayman on Jun 9, 2021 20:21:11 GMT
Ahh the ol' "re-imagine policing". A re-imagined utopia where we sympathize with the criminals and go after the cops instead. How's that working out now? So great I don't ever want to go into my closest city again.
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