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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 3, 2021 13:39:10 GMT
Can't wait to see more about Eternals.
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Post by politicidal on May 3, 2021 14:53:12 GMT
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Post by sostie on May 3, 2021 15:08:29 GMT
Looks like Fantastic Four is coming too
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Post by poutinep on May 3, 2021 16:55:41 GMT
Awesome video.
Interesting to learn that Captain Marvel 2 is now The Marvels with Monica Rambeau and Kamala Khan... so the Ms. Marvel series better be good. Too bad this movie will be saddled with a right-wing hate campaign due to the 3 leads being women/black/arab/muslim though.
and Blade with Mahershala didn't get a mention? or Deadpool? hm...
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Post by Skaathar on May 3, 2021 16:57:18 GMT
To be honest, the only ones I'm really excited for are Thor, Dr. Strange and Eternals. The others feel pretty meh. I'll still watch them but can't really muster that much excitement for them.
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Post by Skaathar on May 3, 2021 17:20:15 GMT
Awesome video. Interesting to learn that Captain Marvel 2 is now The Marvels with Monica Rambeau and Kamala Khan... so the Ms. Marvel series better be good. Too bad this movie will be saddled with a right-wing hate campaign due to the 3 leads being women/black/arab/muslim though. and Blade with Mahershala didn't get a mention? or Deadpool? hm... As long as the female leads are written well and are given enough flaws and struggles then there shouldn't be too much of a right-wing hate campaign. Same way there wasn't much of a hate campaign against Alita, Atomic Blonde, Wandavision or even the first Wonder Woman movie.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 3, 2021 17:25:51 GMT
Awesome video. Interesting to learn that Captain Marvel 2 is now The Marvels with Monica Rambeau and Kamala Khan... so the Ms. Marvel series better be good. Too bad this movie will be saddled with a right-wing hate campaign due to the 3 leads being women/black/arab/muslim though. and Blade with Mahershala didn't get a mention? or Deadpool? hm... Both are hot properties featuring A-list talent, surprising they didn't get mentioned. Then again this was a phase four announcement, they must be phase 5.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 3, 2021 17:28:00 GMT
Awesome video. Interesting to learn that Captain Marvel 2 is now The Marvels with Monica Rambeau and Kamala Khan... so the Ms. Marvel series better be good. Too bad this movie will be saddled with a right-wing hate campaign due to the 3 leads being women/black/arab/muslim though. and Blade with Mahershala didn't get a mention? or Deadpool? hm... As long as the female leads are written well and are given enough flaws and struggles then there shouldn't be too much of a right-wing hate campaign. Same way there wasn't much of a hate campaign against Alita, Atomic Blonde, Wandavision or even the first Wonder Woman movie. The hate campaign against Captain Marvel had nothing to do with writing and everything to do with Larson lobbying for more diversity in the world of film critique.
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Post by Prime etc. on May 3, 2021 17:30:34 GMT
People who don't like the politics in movies won't watch them.
The controversy is usually part of the marketing campaign.
Did anyone accomplish anything when they complained that Nick Fury wasn't white?
Nothing changed. Disney and Marvel are not going to listen to anyone. They don't care about public or fan response.
The people who grew up reading comics in the 60s, 70s, and 80s don't have a voice in these films. And who reads comics now? The numbers are far less than they were decades ago. The publication numbers are tiny compared to 1970.
They have to generate fake outrage because no one gives a damn about these movies. They have become CGI noise.
Not real movies.
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Post by poutinep on May 3, 2021 17:31:56 GMT
Awesome video. Interesting to learn that Captain Marvel 2 is now The Marvels with Monica Rambeau and Kamala Khan... so the Ms. Marvel series better be good. Too bad this movie will be saddled with a right-wing hate campaign due to the 3 leads being women/black/arab/muslim though. and Blade with Mahershala didn't get a mention? or Deadpool? hm... As long as the female leads are written well and are given enough flaws and struggles then there shouldn't be too much of a right-wing hate campaign. Same way there wasn't much of a hate campaign against Alita, Atomic Blonde, Wandavision or even the first Wonder Woman movie. nope, right-wing trolls made multiple accounts to downvote Captain Marvel everywhere they could without having seen the movie. Alita was a surprise hit. It didn't have much buzz... Atomic Blonde was the same but with a little more buzz and wasn't as good. Wonder Woman is a character everyone has known about forever... Captain Marvel is fairly new. The kind of hate CM got wasn't based on anything rational.
Did anyone accomplish anything when they complained that Nick Fury wasn't white?
ehh minor problem with this is MCU Fury is based on Ultimate Nick Fury who was in turn physically based on Samuel L. Jackson anyway...
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Post by Skaathar on May 3, 2021 17:41:06 GMT
As long as the female leads are written well and are given enough flaws and struggles then there shouldn't be too much of a right-wing hate campaign. Same way there wasn't much of a hate campaign against Alita, Atomic Blonde, Wandavision or even the first Wonder Woman movie. The hate campaign against Captain Marvel had nothing to do with writing and everything to do with Larson lobbying for more diversity in the world of film critique. I'd argue it was more due to Brie Larson's attitude, since a good number of other superhero actors also lobby for diversity without getting the kind of backlash that she took. That said, had her movie and character been better written, it would have gone a long way into quieting those complaints. But anyway, I accept your point so let me update my answer then. As long as the lead characters are properly written AND the actors themselves don't do anything to alienate their fanbase too much then it shouldn't receive much of a hate campaign.
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Post by sostie on May 3, 2021 18:05:11 GMT
Did anyone accomplish anything when they complained that Nick Fury wasn't white? Was there mass complaints? I don't remember any. Anyone who did complain would really not care much about the Fury character anyway if they queried the casting choice. I remember more excitement about it being Samuel L Jackson in the role, than any complaints.
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Post by sostie on May 3, 2021 18:08:35 GMT
The hate campaign against Captain Marvel had nothing to do with writing and everything to do with Larson lobbying for more diversity in the world of film critique. AND the actors themselves don't do anything to alienate their fanbase too much then it shouldn't receive much of a hate campaign. How does pointing out the lack of diversity in reviewers alienate the fanbase? More of a case of giving Larson/MCU haters a reason to criticise and complain.
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Post by Prime etc. on May 3, 2021 18:14:44 GMT
nope, right-wing trolls made multiple accounts to downvote Captain Marvel everywhere they could without having seen the movie. Alita was a surprise hit. It didn't have much buzz... Atomic Blonde was the same but with a little more buzz and wasn't as good. Wonder Woman is a character everyone has known about forever... Captain Marvel is fairly new. The kind of hate CM got wasn't based on anything rational.
They make up these campaigns-they probably pay people to post stuff too--because the studios are politically motivated-to them a movie is agitprop.
The rule is that women and minorities must be the new focus--and the more beta, the better.
Obviously that's not compatible with the view that there should be products for every customer. Movie studios do not think like that--politics are primary for them. What other company in the world would say they need to focus on a foreign nation as their primary consumer? As Hollywood has said with China?
Imagine a clothing or food company saying "oh gee, you know we just got to make products for the Chinese market only--our traditional western consumer will just have to get used to Chinese food and clothes." No other company does this--and the reason is, because food is harder to make political. Culture you can use for propaganda much easier. Just hire people who think like you want.
Audiences notice wimpy Luke, Fat Thor, or savior Rey because they dominate the media landscape--there's no alternative to be distracted by. It isn't necessarily people who are right-wing--that's the label the media gives its critics--everything is political to them.
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Post by Prime etc. on May 3, 2021 18:18:28 GMT
Was there mass complaints? I don't remember any. Anyone who did complain would really not care much about the Fury character anyway if they queried the casting choice. I remember more excitement about it being Samuel L Jackson in the role, than any complaints. Among comic fans? Yeah people complained about that and especially making the gatekeeper of Asgard black. But that was because people didn't clue in that Marvel's owners were pushing the diversity political button.
Now you can't avoid it because all of phase 4 are non-white characters.
If they bring back any white lead male characters for phase 5 guaranteed they will be tranny.
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Post by sostie on May 3, 2021 18:34:51 GMT
Was there mass complaints? I don't remember any. Anyone who did complain would really not care much about the Fury character anyway if they queried the casting choice. I remember more excitement about it being Samuel L Jackson in the role, than any complaints. Among comic fans? Yeah people complained about that and especially making the gatekeeper of Asgard black.
Must have been pretty out of touch comics fans...Fury had been Jackson for close to a decade before he made it to screen Well it wasn't Disney. They had no say in MCU casting for those films. So who were pushing? Really? Black Widow - white Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings - asian Eternals (2021) - mixed Spider-Man: No Way Home - white Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness - white Thor: Love and Thunder - white Black Panther: Wakanda Forever - black The Marvels - white Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania - white Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 - white, green, blue, a tree, a racoon Fantastic Four - white
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Post by Prime etc. on May 3, 2021 18:44:06 GMT
Must have been pretty out of touch comics fans...Fury had been Jackson for close to a decade before he made it to screen Really? Black Widow - white Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings - asian Eternals (2021) - mixed Spider-Man: No Way Home - white Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness - white Thor: Love and Thunder - white Black Panther: Wakanda Forever - black The Marvels - white Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania - white Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 - white, green, blue, a tree, a racoon Fantastic Four - white White Nick Fury was around longer than black Nick Fury. You may recall that Marvel said they were going to be true to the comics--they used that rhetoric--well obviously not without the politics. Disney did it too. And Warner Bros-they all do it. Bruce Wayne got a black mentor after a few decades.
Plus in the comics, white male heroes tended to dominate--so let's see
Peter Parker is like a little kid after 20,
we don't know what eyepatch Thor is going to be like, but I can guess,
Captain Marvel is a nerdy woman type. Starlord acts gay. Antman is similar. Dr Strange is a magician. Reed Richards and Johnny Storm are mutated. Not action heroes.
So how many white male action heroes as usually one expects in comic books are in phase 4? I can't see them.
Shang-chi and Black Panther and Blade right are the only bonafide action heroes. So they have moved to minorities and women-and they aren't selling the glamor factor of the latter like they used to either.
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Post by sostie on May 3, 2021 19:04:38 GMT
Must have been pretty out of touch comics fans...Fury had been Jackson for close to a decade before he made it to screen Really? Black Widow - white Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings - asian Eternals (2021) - mixed Spider-Man: No Way Home - white Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness - white Thor: Love and Thunder - white Black Panther: Wakanda Forever - black The Marvels - white Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania - white Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 - white, green, blue, a tree, a racoon Fantastic Four - white White Nick Fury was around longer than black Nick Fury. You may recall that Marvel said they were going to be true to the comics--they used that rhetoric--well obviously not without the politics. Disney did it too. And Warner Bros-they all do it. Bruce Wayne got a black mentor after a few decades.
Plus in the comics, white male heroes tended to dominate--so let's see
Peter Parker is like a little kid after 20,
we don't know what eyepatch Thor is going to be like, but I can guess,
Captain Marvel is a nerdy woman type. Starlord acts gay. Antman is similar. Dr Strange is a magician. Reed Richards and Johnny Storm are mutated. Not action heroes.
So how many white male action heroes as usually one expects in comic books are in phase 4? I can't see them.
Shang-chi and Black Panther and Blade right are the only bonafide action heroes. So they have moved to minorities and women-and they aren't selling the glamor factor of the latter like they used to either.
Cherry picking responses, changing parameters/definition and general insanity. Been through before with you....goodbye and good luck paranoid little fella
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Post by Prime etc. on May 3, 2021 19:36:51 GMT
Cherry picking responses, changing parameters/definition and general insanity. It's not insane to notice that Peter Parker is getting more beta and wimpier over the decades.
Nicholas Hammond was not going to be portray Doc Savage but he fit the basic idea of the comic character. In costume he even resembled the trademark image on the upper left corner.
Others notice the trend too though so this is the issue here. I dont even think it is rightwing or leftwing--there's an expectation in heroic adventure of success and excitement and somehow the corporate model is to move away from that. It's certainly different.
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Post by Skaathar on May 3, 2021 19:54:55 GMT
AND the actors themselves don't do anything to alienate their fanbase too much then it shouldn't receive much of a hate campaign. How does pointing out the lack of diversity in reviewers alienate the fanbase? More of a case of giving Larson/MCU haters a reason to criticise and complain. As I mentioned to Reykahuka, I believe it was more Brie's attitude than her message that people disliked. Almost nobody will make a fuss when an actor champions diversity nowadays, almost every actor does it. I believe it was more the way that Brie Larson said it. Just to give an example, listen to how she talks in this interview with Chris Hemsworth. That's the kind of attitude that rubs fans the wrong way... and this didn't even have anything to do with diversity or any political issue:
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