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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2021 20:04:59 GMT
How does pointing out the lack of diversity in reviewers alienate the fanbase? More of a case of giving Larson/MCU haters a reason to criticise and complain. As I mentioned to Reykahuka, I believe it was more Brie's attitude than her message that people disliked. Almost nobody will make a fuss when an actor champions diversity nowadays, almost every actor does it. I believe it was more the way that Brie Larson said it. Just to give an example, listen to how she talks in this interview with Chris Hemsworth. That's the kind of attitude that rubs fans the wrong way... and this didn't even have anything to do with diversity or any political issue: That interview was awkward AF. You can really tell that her and Cheadle do not like each other.
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Post by poutinep on May 3, 2021 21:22:22 GMT
nope, right-wing trolls made multiple accounts to downvote Captain Marvel everywhere they could without having seen the movie. Alita was a surprise hit. It didn't have much buzz... Atomic Blonde was the same but with a little more buzz and wasn't as good. Wonder Woman is a character everyone has known about forever... Captain Marvel is fairly new. The kind of hate CM got wasn't based on anything rational.
They make up these campaigns-they probably pay people to post stuff too--because the studios are politically motivated-to them a movie is agitprop.
The rule is that women and minorities must be the new focus--and the more beta, the better.
Obviously that's not compatible with the view that there should be products for every customer. Movie studios do not think like that--politics are primary for them. What other company in the world would say they need to focus on a foreign nation as their primary consumer? As Hollywood has said with China?
Imagine a clothing or food company saying "oh gee, you know we just got to make products for the Chinese market only--our traditional western consumer will just have to get used to Chinese food and clothes." No other company does this--and the reason is, because food is harder to make political. Culture you can use for propaganda much easier. Just hire people who think like you want.
Audiences notice wimpy Luke, Fat Thor, or savior Rey because they dominate the media landscape--there's no alternative to be distracted by. It isn't necessarily people who are right-wing--that's the label the media gives its critics--everything is political to them. 'the rule' is that women and minorities are underrepresented demographics ripe for stories to mine. it's always about money in the end, everything else is secondary.
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Post by sostie on May 3, 2021 21:50:42 GMT
Cherry picking responses, changing parameters/definition and general insanity. It's not insane to notice that Peter Parker is getting more beta and wimpier over the decades.
Nicholas Hammond was not going to be portray Doc Savage but he fit the basic idea of the comic character. In costume he even resembled the trademark image on the upper left corner.
Others notice the trend too though so this is the issue here. I dont even think it is rightwing or leftwing--there's an expectation in heroic adventure of success and excitement and somehow the corporate model is to move away from that. It's certainly different.
It's a little insane when you disregard male white heroes for not meeting your standard because you think two "act gay" and one is a magician! As for Spider-Man...if you are going to have a character still in high school, who is still trying to work out how he fits in, an awkward kid around (or looks around) high school age being cast makes more sense than someone in their late 20s like Hammond. There is no real issue. You are building one. So Nick Fury is black. So what. The target audience for the MCU films are a younger audience, and if comic readers, would know Fury primarily as black. I doubt they are aiming for a comic book reading audience that only read books casually decades ago and were completely unaware of the comics of the previous decade. Batmans black mentor? Do you mean Lucias Fox? More an ally than mentor...and has been around for 40 years, and is black. Guess you won't be satisfied until they announce a phase of white, straight, powerless muscle men with just white supporting cast.
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Post by Prime etc. on May 3, 2021 21:51:13 GMT
'the rule' is that women and minorities are underrepresented demographics ripe for stories to mine. it's always about money in the end, everything else is secondary. No it doesnt follow because there have been women-led movies--adventure movies-for decades and others like Bruce Lee or Eddie Murphy, also had box office successes.
The difference then compared to today is less choice--so the idea is that women and minorities must replace the white male representation--or the white male has to appeal to the beta ideal. We saw with the Oscars--ok they diversified it, gave some old white people some awards--and the ratings weren't good--but they don't care.
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Post by Prime etc. on May 3, 2021 22:05:03 GMT
It's a little insane when you disregard male white heroes for not meeting your standard because you think two "act gay" and one is a magician! As for Spider-Man...if you are going to have a character still in high school, who is still trying to work out how he fits in, an awkward kid around (or looks around) high school age being cast makes more sense than someone in their late 20s like Hammond. There is no real issue. You are building one. So Nick Fury is black. So what. The target audience for the MCU films are a younger audience, and if comic readers, would know Fury primarily as black. I doubt they are aiming for a comic book reading audience that only read books casually decades ago and were completely unaware of the comics of the previous decade. Batmans black mentor? Do you mean Lucias Fox? More an ally than mentor...and has been around for 40 years, and is black. Guess you won't be satisfied until they announce a phase of white, straight, powerless muscle men with just white supporting cast. It isn't insane to see differences. Tony Stark in the comic resembles Tom Selleck not Robert Downey Jr. Captain Marvel in the comic resembled Kate Upton not Brie Larson. John Buscema would never have drawn a man or woman super character to resemble the people they are picking.
They picked a guy who was full grown for Spider-man who will not get taller or look any different. His voice won't change.
Like Michael J Fox basically. That was a deliberate choice not because he is staying 17 forever, they just dont want him to be appear too masculine--which is a laugh Hammond wasn't considered macho either--but he looked the comic book part because Peter Parker and Spider-man were still drawn in a way that suggested he was good looking and athletic.
They changed the back story of Blade--I didnt know that when I saw it-there was no Whistler in the comics--so they gave him a white mentor. I liked the new character but they made Blade less independent. Do I think they should have done it? No-I don't even though he was added with some thought but ultimately that was done to get a multicultural vibe out of it. Hollywood doesn't support non-white independence either--they wouldnt make stories about Chinese dissidents wanting to free China from communism and they won't do movies about black independence in Africa either. Any story where a black man wants to be left alone away from whites--they oppose it. Multiculturalism is always the message.
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Post by hobowar on May 3, 2021 22:36:16 GMT
How does pointing out the lack of diversity in reviewers alienate the fanbase? More of a case of giving Larson/MCU haters a reason to criticise and complain. As I mentioned to Reykahuka, I believe it was more Brie's attitude than her message that people disliked. Almost nobody will make a fuss when an actor champions diversity nowadays, almost every actor does it. I believe it was more the way that Brie Larson said it. Just to give an example, listen to how she talks in this interview with Chris Hemsworth. That's the kind of attitude that rubs fans the wrong way... and this didn't even have anything to do with diversity or any political issue: The three of them were clearly joking that video. You'd have to be this guy to think otherwise... Seriously though. If these so called "actors" couldn't mask their dislike for each other in an interview, they should never work again.
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Post by Skaathar on May 3, 2021 23:12:09 GMT
As I mentioned to Reykahuka, I believe it was more Brie's attitude than her message that people disliked. Almost nobody will make a fuss when an actor champions diversity nowadays, almost every actor does it. I believe it was more the way that Brie Larson said it. Just to give an example, listen to how she talks in this interview with Chris Hemsworth. That's the kind of attitude that rubs fans the wrong way... and this didn't even have anything to do with diversity or any political issue: The three of them were clearly joking that video. You'd have to be this guy to think otherwise... Seriously though. If these so called "actors" couldn't mask their dislike for each other in an interview, they should never work again. I wouldn't be too sure about them all clearly joking. Brie Larson smiled here and there but that doesn't necessarily mean that she wasn't serious about what she said. With most other MCU actors, they generally laugh right after making a snarky comment, making it sure that it's clear they were only joking. Brie Larson doesn't do that. Some people assume it's simply because she has a very dry sense of humor, and some people assume it's because she's being passive aggressive. Personally, I think it's a bit of both to be honest... but regardless of which way you prefer to interpret it, I think you'd at least agree that it's pretty different from the standard way most MCU celebrities behave in front of a camera and I think that's what rubs a number of fans the wrong way. She does it in other interviews as well, not just MCU-related:
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Post by DarkManX on May 3, 2021 23:35:25 GMT
It's the agenda pushing that bothers me and it seems to be the one thing that bothers most people and not so much the casting itself. If this movie is just a movie it'll be fine, but if it's here to push an agenda that's being pushed in every other film these days it'll most likely suck.
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Post by sostie on May 4, 2021 0:24:46 GMT
It's a little insane when you disregard male white heroes for not meeting your standard because you think two "act gay" and one is a magician! As for Spider-Man...if you are going to have a character still in high school, who is still trying to work out how he fits in, an awkward kid around (or looks around) high school age being cast makes more sense than someone in their late 20s like Hammond. There is no real issue. You are building one. So Nick Fury is black. So what. The target audience for the MCU films are a younger audience, and if comic readers, would know Fury primarily as black. I doubt they are aiming for a comic book reading audience that only read books casually decades ago and were completely unaware of the comics of the previous decade. Batmans black mentor? Do you mean Lucias Fox? More an ally than mentor...and has been around for 40 years, and is black. Guess you won't be satisfied until they announce a phase of white, straight, powerless muscle men with just white supporting cast. It isn't insane to see differences. It's a little insane to claim Starlord (the womanizer) and Ant Man ( the divorced man with a child and a hot girlfriend) act gay!! How so? No he doesn't. He looked like Howard Hughes who he was based on. He briefly had curly hair and a tache like Selleck, mostly in the 80s, after Downey Jr looked closer to him than Selleck did. Danvers looked nothing like Kate Upton. Later Captain Marvel was big tits and small waist...as were almost all female characters in comics. But I'm not sure what you are trying to say. That they should or shouldn't resemble the comic version? Characters that have had many artists, over many years and many incarnations. So they chose Tom Holland as a deliberate ploy to make a white guy look less masculine? And I'm sure plenty of people find Holland good looking (my niece for one). And he certainly is athletic. And even if you think he doesn't look as athletic as Hammond, he is. Just look online and see what Holland is actually capable of athletically - puts paid to the idea that Spider-Man should look more athletic Not bothered. More bothered that they changed him from British to American. The Hollywood elite with their secret anti-British agenda probably.
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Post by Prime etc. on May 4, 2021 0:45:33 GMT
It's a little insane to claim Starlord (the womanizer) and Ant Man ( the divorced man with a child and a hot girlfriend) act gay!! How so? So do you think Chris Pratt projects the same kind of masculinity as Errol Flynn? I think Pratt comes across as kind of prissy or nebbish. If James Franciscus had portrayed Star-Lord--he would have had to act gay to imitate Pratt.
In the comics, Tony Stark resembled a Tom Selleck, not physically Howard Hughes. They chose to make him more athletic-looking.
I think you miss the different character types--neither Starlord nor Ant Man (in the movies) are presented as heroic figures-they are magic and science dependent. Not the case with Shang-Chi and Black Panther. Maybe Shang-Chi will be given some matriarchal guru figure as a mentor--who knows at this point.
In the comics, Hawkeye, Yellow-Jacket, Starlord, Daredevil, they all looked the same under the costume--they could put on the Aqua Man costume and no one would no know otherwise.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 4, 2021 11:56:00 GMT
White Nick Fury was around longer than black Nick Fury. You may recall that Marvel said they were going to be true to the comics--they used that rhetoric--well obviously not without the politics. Disney did it too. And Warner Bros-they all do it. Bruce Wayne got a black mentor after a few decades.
Plus in the comics, white male heroes tended to dominate--so let's see
Peter Parker is like a little kid after 20,
we don't know what eyepatch Thor is going to be like, but I can guess,
Captain Marvel is a nerdy woman type. Starlord acts gay. Antman is similar. Dr Strange is a magician. Reed Richards and Johnny Storm are mutated. Not action heroes.
So how many white male action heroes as usually one expects in comic books are in phase 4? I can't see them.
Shang-chi and Black Panther and Blade right are the only bonafide action heroes. So they have moved to minorities and women-and they aren't selling the glamor factor of the latter like they used to either.
Cherry picking responses, changing parameters/definition and general insanity. Been through before with you....goodbye and good luck paranoid little fella He's out of his mind, it's impossible to know if he's trolling or being sincere. "Star Lord acts gay." Let's just set aside the juvenility of that statement for a minute. Quill is shown as quite the ladies man dating all the way back to the first GOTG film. I wonder how long it took this guy to come up with complaints about each white character? Dr Strange is a magician. Reed Richards is mutated, which as we all know means he can't be an action hero. Like I said, the guy is nuts. He can't even write coherent sentences, let alone paragraphs. Hollywood is anti-white according to him, which totally explains Anthony Hopkins upset win at the Oscars this year.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 4, 2021 12:06:50 GMT
The three of them were clearly joking that video. You'd have to be this guy to think otherwise... Seriously though. If these so called "actors" couldn't mask their dislike for each other in an interview, they should never work again. I wouldn't be too sure about them all clearly joking. Brie Larson smiled here and there but that doesn't necessarily mean that she wasn't serious about what she said. With most other MCU actors, they generally laugh right after making a snarky comment, making it sure that it's clear they were only joking. Brie Larson doesn't do that. Some people assume it's simply because she has a very dry sense of humor, and some people assume it's because she's being passive aggressive. Personally, I think it's a bit of both to be honest... but regardless of which way you prefer to interpret it, I think you'd at least agree that it's pretty different from the standard way most MCU celebrities behave in front of a camera and I think that's what rubs a number of fans the wrong way. She does it in other interviews as well, not just MCU-related: The first clip makes it clear she doesn't have the comic chops of the other two actors. That interview has always come across as awkward to me for reasons other than the actors not getting along. I think she's in over her head with two people who can riff better than she can, that's why she doesn't say much for long stretches. Then when she tries to fire back it falls flat, because the moment has passed. In comedy, timing is everything. That second clip, specifically where you linked it to, I think most actresses would reply sarcastically to a question like that.
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Post by Skaathar on May 4, 2021 16:39:18 GMT
I wouldn't be too sure about them all clearly joking. Brie Larson smiled here and there but that doesn't necessarily mean that she wasn't serious about what she said. With most other MCU actors, they generally laugh right after making a snarky comment, making it sure that it's clear they were only joking. Brie Larson doesn't do that. Some people assume it's simply because she has a very dry sense of humor, and some people assume it's because she's being passive aggressive. Personally, I think it's a bit of both to be honest... but regardless of which way you prefer to interpret it, I think you'd at least agree that it's pretty different from the standard way most MCU celebrities behave in front of a camera and I think that's what rubs a number of fans the wrong way. She does it in other interviews as well, not just MCU-related: The first clip makes it clear she doesn't have the comic chops of the other two actors. That interview has always come across as awkward to me for reasons other than the actors not getting along. I think she's in over her head with two people who can riff better than she can, that's why she doesn't say much for long stretches. Then when she tries to fire back it falls flat, because the moment has passed. In comedy, timing is everything. That second clip, specifically where you linked it to, I think most actresses would reply sarcastically to a question like that. To clarify where I'm coming from, I'm not saying that Brie Larson is a bad person. I'm saying that the way she presents herself can rub a lot of fans the wrong way, whether or not she intentionally does it. I mean, most people with supposed "bad attitudes" don't intentionally want to irritate people, they just happen to do so without realizing it. So really, we can make excuses and reasons for how she acts and defend her attitude, but that doesn't change the fact that she's a little less graceful in interviews than pretty much any MCU lead actor/actress and that it doesn't make her endearing to a number of fans. Just watch how Scarjo gracefully deflects most sexual questions thrown her way in interviews to get a good comparison, and those questions are usually far more aggressive than the one I linked Brie Larson answering to. And it's this attitude of Brie that irritates a number of fans... whether she intentionally does it or not. In a lot of her interviews, she will instinctively go for a snarky or sarcastic response, but she doesn't quite have the charisma of RDJ or the comedic talents of Chris Pratt to still make it sound endearing and so it just sounds like she has an attitude.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on May 4, 2021 17:17:11 GMT
Wasn't Primemover the one who said they cucked Thor and that Marvel had a anti white message when they cast a black woman as Valkyrie?
The dude is a nut job.
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Post by darkreviewer2013 on May 6, 2021 8:27:19 GMT
The ones that pique my interest are (in order of preference):
Thor: Love and Thunder Black Panther 2: Wakanda Forever Spider-Man: No Way Home Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness
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Post by politicidal on May 10, 2021 17:11:20 GMT
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Post by Skaathar on May 12, 2021 19:53:04 GMT
Who wants to bet Black Widow will be delayed again?
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Post by thisguy4000 on May 12, 2021 20:00:00 GMT
Who wants to bet Black Widow will be delayed again? What makes you say that?
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Post by Skaathar on May 12, 2021 20:01:40 GMT
Who wants to bet Black Widow will be delayed again? What makes you say that? Because I've lost count of the number of times they've delayed the movie.
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Post by thisguy4000 on May 12, 2021 20:04:37 GMT
Because I've lost count of the number of times they've delayed the movie. Movie theaters seem to be making a comeback, so unless COVID mutates and infects a lot more people, I don’t think another delay is necessary.
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