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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2021 19:08:56 GMT
Interesting. Obviously refers to Carol Dancers and Kamala Dancers.
I’m sure the latter is a sidekick, but it still seems like a rebrand of the franchise. Maybe they were unhappy with how the first one turned out? It seems a little extreme to take the lead character’s name out of the title. Unless they really are going for a straight up team up movie.
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Post by thisguy4000 on May 3, 2021 19:35:23 GMT
It’s supposed to be a team movie. Monica Rambeau is also supposed to be part of the team.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2021 19:47:41 GMT
It’s supposed to be a team movie. Monica Rambeau is also supposed to be part of the team. I like Bree in the role (unlike most of the Internet) and I like the first movie, but I do think the franchise needed some retooling. Maybe this will be a good thing.
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Post by Skaathar on May 3, 2021 20:15:51 GMT
I don't mind Brie Larson as an actress but I do think she was miscast in her role. Or maybe her role was simply badly written. Monica Rambeau wasn't bad in Wandavision. I'm not exactly excited to see more of her but I do like her character more than Carol Danvers at this point. Kamala Khan, I've never been a fan of the comicbook character, I felt like she was some cheap knock-off of Spiderman and Mr. Fantastic. But that said, I do admit she's the "Ms. Marvel" character I'm most interested in just because she's more unique than either Carol Danvers or Monica Rambeau. It's certainly fun seeing the first brown superhero. Hopefully they don't mess her character up.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2021 20:39:55 GMT
I don't mind Brie Larson as an actress but I do think she was miscast in her role. Or maybe her role was simply badly written. Monica Rambeau wasn't bad in Wandavision. I'm not exactly excited to see more of her but I do like her character more than Carol Danvers at this point. Kamala Khan, I've never been a fan of the comicbook character, I felt like she was some cheap knock-off of Spiderman and Mr. Fantastic. But that said, I do admit she's the "Ms. Marvel" character I'm most interested in just because she's more unique than either Carol Danvers or Monica Rambeau. It's certainly fun seeing the first brown superhero. Hopefully they don't mess her character up. I think the characterization of Carol Dancers was just poorly handled in the first movie, and some of the writing just didn’t mesh well with Brie’s acting (like when she screams at the Skrull). I am hoping the sequel can fix most of that though. It’s too bad Ms Marvel’s powers are basically the same as Mr Fantastic. Maybe they’ll mix that up in the McU? Otherwise it seems redundant considering F4 is coming.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 4, 2021 12:11:17 GMT
I don't mind Brie Larson as an actress but I do think she was miscast in her role. Or maybe her role was simply badly written. Monica Rambeau wasn't bad in Wandavision. I'm not exactly excited to see more of her but I do like her character more than Carol Danvers at this point. Kamala Khan, I've never been a fan of the comicbook character, I felt like she was some cheap knock-off of Spiderman and Mr. Fantastic. But that said, I do admit she's the "Ms. Marvel" character I'm most interested in just because she's more unique than either Carol Danvers or Monica Rambeau. It's certainly fun seeing the first brown superhero. Hopefully they don't mess her character up. It's definitely this. Could someone have been a better Captain Marvel? I think so, but I don't think her performance was subpar. The problem with her movie was the writing. Not just her role, the entire 'amnesia' premise. The supporting characters steal the movie from her because she isn't allowed to do anything for 3/4 of the runtime. Then when she finally kicks ass at the end, everyone says she's overpowered because she's been locked in offices and thrown around by third tier minions the rest of the movie.
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Post by Skaathar on May 4, 2021 16:51:32 GMT
I don't mind Brie Larson as an actress but I do think she was miscast in her role. Or maybe her role was simply badly written. Monica Rambeau wasn't bad in Wandavision. I'm not exactly excited to see more of her but I do like her character more than Carol Danvers at this point. Kamala Khan, I've never been a fan of the comicbook character, I felt like she was some cheap knock-off of Spiderman and Mr. Fantastic. But that said, I do admit she's the "Ms. Marvel" character I'm most interested in just because she's more unique than either Carol Danvers or Monica Rambeau. It's certainly fun seeing the first brown superhero. Hopefully they don't mess her character up. It's definitely this. Could someone have been a better Captain Marvel? I think so, but I don't think her performance was subpar. The problem with her movie was the writing. Not just her role, the entire 'amnesia' premise. The supporting characters steal the movie from her because she isn't allowed to do anything for 3/4 of the runtime. Then when she finally kicks ass at the end, everyone says she's overpowered because she's been locked in offices and thrown around by third tier minions the rest of the movie. I don't necessarily agree. Different actors have different talents, and even when someone is a good actor, that doesn't necessarily mean they can fit into all roles. Brie Larson is a talented actress but I don't think she has a lot of charisma. And the way they wrote her character, you need someone with a lot of charisma to pull it off. Was it a badly written character? Well it definitely wasn't a well-written character, but it can be argued that it's no worse than some other MCU characters. Brie Larson is the kind of actor who needs a lot of dramatic scenes to really shine. She doesn't do that well when all you need her character to do is stand in heroic poses, paste stoic expressions on her face and spout the sarcastic one liner here and there. Some actors are great with roles like those. So I stick to my original theory where, yes the character is badly written, but Brie Larson was also miscast in the role. It's not unique to her. I also think Jeremy Renner, Tessa Thompson and Scarlet Johansson were all miscast in their roles despite the fact that I actually like these actors.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 4, 2021 17:06:13 GMT
It's definitely this. Could someone have been a better Captain Marvel? I think so, but I don't think her performance was subpar. The problem with her movie was the writing. Not just her role, the entire 'amnesia' premise. The supporting characters steal the movie from her because she isn't allowed to do anything for 3/4 of the runtime. Then when she finally kicks ass at the end, everyone says she's overpowered because she's been locked in offices and thrown around by third tier minions the rest of the movie. I don't necessarily agree. Different actors have different talents, and even when someone is a good actor, that doesn't necessarily mean they can fit into all roles. Brie Larson is a talented actress but I don't think she has a lot of charisma. And the way they wrote her character, you need someone with a lot of charisma to pull it off. Was it a badly written character? Well it definitely wasn't a well-written character, but it can be argued that it's no worse than some other MCU characters. Brie Larson is the kind of actor who needs a lot of dramatic scenes to really shine. She doesn't do that well when all you need her character to do is stand in heroic poses, paste stoic expressions on her face and spout the sarcastic one liner here and there. Some actors are great with roles like those. So I stick to my original theory where, yes the character is badly written but that Brie Larson was also miscast in the role. Same way I think Jeremy Renner, Tessa Thompson and Scarlet Johansson were all miscast in their roles despite the fact that I actually like these actors. Fair point. Larson is a solid actress, but she doesn't have a genuine presence to her. Marvel's answer to Wonder Woman really needs to ooze charisma. So as not to be guilty of comparing a female character to a female character as if that's their defining trait, Captain America needs to ooze charisma, and Evans nails it. They missed the mark with their characterization of CM at every level. I've always been underwhelmed with ScarJo as BW. I've gotten used to it over the years, but I think they could've given her a little more of an edge. ScarJo's version is just blah. Not a poor performance, just not memorable at all. Hawkeye feels forced into the movies. It's obvious they didn't have a role for him in Avengers, that's why Whedon turned him into a minion for the villain until the third act. I actually like the backstory with the family and Renner is one of my favorite actors so I always enjoy seeing him onscreen. But I get why that may not appeal to everyone.
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Post by Skaathar on May 4, 2021 18:52:32 GMT
I don't necessarily agree. Different actors have different talents, and even when someone is a good actor, that doesn't necessarily mean they can fit into all roles. Brie Larson is a talented actress but I don't think she has a lot of charisma. And the way they wrote her character, you need someone with a lot of charisma to pull it off. Was it a badly written character? Well it definitely wasn't a well-written character, but it can be argued that it's no worse than some other MCU characters. Brie Larson is the kind of actor who needs a lot of dramatic scenes to really shine. She doesn't do that well when all you need her character to do is stand in heroic poses, paste stoic expressions on her face and spout the sarcastic one liner here and there. Some actors are great with roles like those. So I stick to my original theory where, yes the character is badly written but that Brie Larson was also miscast in the role. Same way I think Jeremy Renner, Tessa Thompson and Scarlet Johansson were all miscast in their roles despite the fact that I actually like these actors. Fair point. Larson is a solid actress, but she doesn't have a genuine presence to her. Marvel's answer to Wonder Woman really needs to ooze charisma. So as not to be guilty of comparing a female character to a female character as if that's their defining trait, Captain America needs to ooze charisma, and Evans nails it. They missed the mark with their characterization of CM at every level. I've always been underwhelmed with ScarJo as BW. I've gotten used to it over the years, but I think they could've given her a little more of an edge. ScarJo's version is just blah. Not a poor performance, just not memorable at all. Hawkeye feels forced into the movies. It's obvious they didn't have a role for him in Avengers, that's why Whedon turned him into a minion for the villain until the third act. I actually like the backstory with the family and Renner is one of my favorite actors so I always enjoy seeing him onscreen. But I get why that may not appeal to everyone. I think Scarjo is a sweet and gentle person in real life, and it unfortunately comes out even in her acting. So I can see her portraying the "hero in distress" role like Ellen Ripley or John McClane but she has issues whenever she plays supposedly battle-hardened femme fatales like Black Widow or Ghost in the Shell. She's not edgy or dangerous-feeling enough and just comes off as underwhelming. For Black Widow you ideally want someone like Antje Traue or Florence Kasumba who can project "edgy" and "dangerous" even by just the way they walk and stand. Then the MCU doubled-down on it and wrote Black Widow to have a bit more of a "motherly" attitude towards the other Avengers. For what it's worth, I think Scarjo would make a far better Susan Storm than Black Widow. In fact, I'm tempted to think Scarjo and Brie Larson could swap roles and everyone would be better off for it - but that's a dangerous suggestion to make. I mentioned it once in a different comicbook thread and the amount of backlash I received was ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2021 22:58:00 GMT
I think Marvel needs to rethink the whole “make every single character a quip machine” formula. It works really well with some (Stark) and feels really forced with others (Carol Dancers). Part of it is that it doesn’t work with every character and part of it is that it doesn’t work with every actor. With Cap’n Marvel it’s both.
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Post by politicidal on May 4, 2021 23:55:04 GMT
I think Marvel needs to rethink the whole “make every single character a quip machine” formula. It works really well with some (Stark) and feels really forced with others (Carol Dancers). Part of it is that it doesn’t work with every character and part of it is that it doesn’t work with every actor. With Cap’n Marvel it’s both. I agree.
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Post by Skaathar on May 5, 2021 1:22:32 GMT
I think Marvel needs to rethink the whole “make every single character a quip machine” formula. It works really well with some (Stark) and feels really forced with others (Carol Dancers). Part of it is that it doesn’t work with every character and part of it is that it doesn’t work with every actor. With Cap’n Marvel it’s both. Agreed. We have way too many characters who do this already. Stark, Quill, Parker, Sam, Danvers, Strange, heck they even got Thor doing it now. Wasp does it, Natasha does it, Valkyrie does it, even Okoye does it. That's why Bucky, Wanda, Vision and T'Challa were so refreshing.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2021 17:51:01 GMT
I think Marvel needs to rethink the whole “make every single character a quip machine” formula. It works really well with some (Stark) and feels really forced with others (Carol Dancers). Part of it is that it doesn’t work with every character and part of it is that it doesn’t work with every actor. With Cap’n Marvel it’s both. Agreed. We have way too many characters who do this already. Stark, Quill, Parker, Sam, Danvers, Strange, heck they even got Thor doing it now. Wasp does it, Natasha does it, Valkyrie does it, even Okoye does it. That's why Bucky, Wanda, Vision and T'Challa were so refreshing. Making Thor a funnier character was good choice though because he wasn’t really working and Hemsworth is arguably the funniest actor in the McU. I do hate how they gradually took other characters who were working and turned them comedic. Like Banner, who had excellent characterization in The Avengers or Rhodey who had excellent characterization in the first two Iron Mans- flash ahead to End Game and they’re both quip machines like everyone else. If it weren’t for the actors you’d be hard pressed to even define their personality traits at that point.
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Post by Downey on May 5, 2021 19:18:49 GMT
I don't mind Brie Larson as an actress but I do think she was miscast in her role. Or maybe her role was simply badly written. Monica Rambeau wasn't bad in Wandavision. I'm not exactly excited to see more of her but I do like her character more than Carol Danvers at this point. Kamala Khan, I've never been a fan of the comicbook character, I felt like she was some cheap knock-off of Spiderman and Mr. Fantastic. But that said, I do admit she's the "Ms. Marvel" character I'm most interested in just because she's more unique than either Carol Danvers or Monica Rambeau. It's certainly fun seeing the first brown superhero. Hopefully they don't mess her character up. Brie Larson is physically perfect for the role but she hasn't got a personality as for the first brown superhero have you never heard of Black Panther?
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Post by Downey on May 5, 2021 19:21:33 GMT
I think Marvel needs to rethink the whole “make every single character a quip machine” formula. It works really well with some (Stark) and feels really forced with others (Carol Dancers). Part of it is that it doesn’t work with every character and part of it is that it doesn’t work with every actor. With Cap’n Marvel it’s both. Agreed. We have way too many characters who do this already. Stark, Quill, Parker, Sam, Danvers, Strange, heck they even got Thor doing it now. Wasp does it, Natasha does it, Valkyrie does it, even Okoye does it. That's why Bucky, Wanda, Vision and T'Challa were so refreshing. Bucky and T'challa do sometimes have a few quips maybe not as much as the others but they do still have their moments. You're not going to get a wholly dull robotic character even Vision is far from dull.
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Post by Skaathar on May 5, 2021 19:28:28 GMT
Agreed. We have way too many characters who do this already. Stark, Quill, Parker, Sam, Danvers, Strange, heck they even got Thor doing it now. Wasp does it, Natasha does it, Valkyrie does it, even Okoye does it. That's why Bucky, Wanda, Vision and T'Challa were so refreshing. Making Thor a funnier character was good choice though because he wasn’t really working and Hemsworth is arguably the funniest actor in the McU. I do hate how they gradually took other characters who were working and turned them comedic. Like Banner, who had excellent characterization in The Avengers or Rhodey who had excellent characterization in the first two Iron Mans- flash ahead to End Game and they’re both quip machines like everyone else. If it weren’t for the actors you’d be hard pressed to even define their personality traits at that point. Thor was already funny in the first Thor movie and even in Avengers. The MCU's mistake was that they made him too serious a character in Thor:TDW and AoU, and that made him just plain boring. They eventually made him funny again in Ragnarok and Endgame, but there's a big difference in how this was done compared to how he was funny in his first two movies. Before, Thor was funny because he said things that were unintentionally funny. For example, him going to a pet store looking for a horse or him mentioning that Loki was adopted when it was pointed out how many people Loki killed. It works because Thor is still serious, doesn't intend to be funny, but is still funny anyway. That's different from a number of scenes in Ragnarok and Endgame where he knows he's specifically joking. Like joking about Surtur's eyebrow or making faces at Hulk. Then he became just another jokester in the mcu. It didn't match what we knew from Thor. I'm fine with Thor being humorous, I'm not fine with him being a jokester.
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Post by politicidal on May 5, 2021 19:28:55 GMT
I think Marvel needs to rethink the whole “make every single character a quip machine” formula. It works really well with some (Stark) and feels really forced with others (Carol Dancers). Part of it is that it doesn’t work with every character and part of it is that it doesn’t work with every actor. With Cap’n Marvel it’s both. Agreed. We have way too many characters who do this already. Stark, Quill, Parker, Sam, Danvers, Strange, heck they even got Thor doing it now. Wasp does it, Natasha does it, Valkyrie does it, even Okoye does it. That's why Bucky, Wanda, Vision and T'Challa were so refreshing. Indeed. Not sure where this trend started in the MCU but I'm guessing after the first GOTG was a big hit;Iron Man 3 had its moments too. As much as I do love that movie, not everything has to be a joke.
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Post by Skaathar on May 5, 2021 19:56:33 GMT
Agreed. We have way too many characters who do this already. Stark, Quill, Parker, Sam, Danvers, Strange, heck they even got Thor doing it now. Wasp does it, Natasha does it, Valkyrie does it, even Okoye does it. That's why Bucky, Wanda, Vision and T'Challa were so refreshing. Indeed. Not sure where this trend started in the MCU but I'm guessing after the first GOTG was a big hit;Iron Man 3 had its moments too. As much as I do love that movie, not everything has to be a joke. Think you might be on to something here. The MCU movies have always had a good amount of humor, but outside of Stark and Loki, the characters weren't always so quippy. MCU humor used to be derived more from comedic situations rather than outright zingers. But then we got GOTG, and after that we had Antman, Dr. Strange, Spiderman HC, Thor Ragnarok and Captain Marvel all showcasing smart-mouthing, quip-heavy leads. T'Challa might not have been like that but Shuri and Okoye made up for it in Black Panther. Now that I think about it, even Wanda, Vision and Bucky were doing it to an extent in their Disney+ shows.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2021 21:44:31 GMT
Making Thor a funnier character was good choice though because he wasn’t really working and Hemsworth is arguably the funniest actor in the McU. I do hate how they gradually took other characters who were working and turned them comedic. Like Banner, who had excellent characterization in The Avengers or Rhodey who had excellent characterization in the first two Iron Mans- flash ahead to End Game and they’re both quip machines like everyone else. If it weren’t for the actors you’d be hard pressed to even define their personality traits at that point. Thor was already funny in the first Thor movie and even in Avengers. The MCU's mistake was that they made him too serious a character in Thor:TDW and AoU, and that made him just plain boring. They eventually made him funny again in Ragnarok and Endgame, but there's a big difference in how this was done compared to how he was funny in his first two movies. Before, Thor was funny because he said things that were unintentionally funny. For example, him going to a pet store looking for a horse or him mentioning that Loki was adopted when it was pointed out how many people Loki killed. It works because Thor is still serious, doesn't intend to be funny, but is still funny anyway. That's different from a number of scenes in Ragnarok and Endgame where he knows he's specifically joking. Like joking about Surtur's eyebrow or making faces at Hulk. Then he became just another jokester in the mcu. It didn't match what we knew from Thor. I'm fine with Thor being humorous, I'm not fine with him being a jokester. That’s fair enough. I just think the recent incarnation of Thor is much more endearing and enjoyable than the one from his first two movies and The Avengers. I’ll agree they went too far in End Game, though I still honestly enjoy him in there too. I don’t mind him being one of the funnier characters because Hemsworth is just so good at actually being genuinely funny. I would definitely reign in the jokes for characters like Banner, Dr Strange, Carol and Drax though.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2021 21:48:13 GMT
Agreed. We have way too many characters who do this already. Stark, Quill, Parker, Sam, Danvers, Strange, heck they even got Thor doing it now. Wasp does it, Natasha does it, Valkyrie does it, even Okoye does it. That's why Bucky, Wanda, Vision and T'Challa were so refreshing. Indeed. Not sure where this trend started in the MCU but I'm guessing after the first GOTG was a big hit;Iron Man 3 had its moments too. As much as I do love that movie, not everything has to be a joke. Iron Man 3 was definitely the first time I thought the humor was excessive. I think they adopted Whedon’s philosophy of undercutting everything with jokes. That approach was really charming in The Avengers but it can’t be applied to every movie and it gets old really fast. I actually think the Mandarin twist could’ve been really clever had they not gone out of their way to make it a big punchline.
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