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Post by vegalyra on May 4, 2021 13:06:34 GMT
My concern is that very few of the best picture winners attract a larger crowd. The Academy Awards will plunge into further irrelevancy of this continues. Maybe the Academy should reconsider that popular award they mulled over before. It might brighten up their dismal viewership from the past two years. I consider myself very open to new ideas and thoughts but seriously the past few winners and even nominees were/are niche films and not for a broad audience. They need another Ben Hur, Titanic, etc. aka blockbusters that also happen to be good films to fill in the nominee pool.
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Post by marianne48 on May 4, 2021 13:35:26 GMT
I wonder how many people didn't watch the Oscars because they couldn't access the nominated films.
I'll admit I'm pretty out of touch technologically, so I don't stream
films--which means I haven't seen most of these movies, except for one on DVD. The Best Picture winner isn't even being released on DVD. So why bother watching the Oscars?
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Post by Vits on May 4, 2021 14:02:27 GMT
The voting is no longer objective. That’s the problem. Pandering to a crowd is racist ironically. If you believe that the year after #OscarsSoWhite black nominees went up 150% and in the year #StopAsianHate two Asian women win Oscars is all a happy coincidence... then I’ll sell you some ocean front property in Arizona my friend. Now, am I saying they don’t deserve it? No. My post went over your head. I’m saying that they should VOTE for (wait for it) ... WHO THEY THINK IS THE BEST! Not, “oh, there’s a lot of black controversy, let’s overlook this guy because he’s white and vote this black person.” Or “we need to honor Asian Americans because they are having a rough time.” It’s like all the people crying because Anthony Hopkins won “Best Actor” ... “Just give it to the same old white guys.” And I say “How about you watch his role, then tell me if you prefer Chadwick over him.” In conclusion, do I think all the nominees were great? Yes. Do I think the winners deserved it. Sure. What I’m saying is, and it seems like I have to dumb this down for SOME people on this board is, when you go into a vote thinking “okay, I like these 10 performances. 7 are white people, 2 are black people, and 1 is an Asian person. I better include the 2 black people, the 1 Asian person, and then if there is room left, two white people I like.” That’s when you’ve failed to make this an objective vote. Which invalidates the vote. TL;DR The Oscars should be about voting for the best performance. Not to honor people of diverse backgrounds just to pander to the masses. Voting only for people of color is racist. It’s no longer objective. This is the longest comment you've posted here and it's simultaneously the emptiest. Literally nothing you said is supported by any evidence. You even admitted that a white guy won Best Actor over a black guy and you still somehow think they vote based on diversity. #OscarsSoWhite was created for the 2015 ceremony. What happened on the 2016 ceremony? No black nominees again. After that, there have been black nominees, but it's not filled with them. Heck, during the 2020 ceremony, there were complains about how only 1 out of the 20 nominated actors was black. Geez, it's almost as if the members vote based on what they think it's the best. How could this be? I guess I have to spell things out for you. Statistically speaking, there are more chances of there being people of color if they stop losing job opportunities. The movements over the last couple of years have helped the industry be a fair place and that's why this year's ceremony has more diversity. Besides, in order for your crazy theories to be true, over 8,000 people would have to somehow coordinate on what to vote. And I guess they would also tell other award organizations and film festivals to choose the same winners?
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Post by janntosh on May 4, 2021 14:07:29 GMT
what the OscarsSoWhite crap has done is make every other movie have BLM themes in it. You probably can't get a movie greenlit these days if you don't have BLM themes
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Post by mikef6 on May 4, 2021 16:52:17 GMT
Translation from the conservative: when will they go back to only awarding white people. This is one reason I am almost glad Hopkins won instead of Boseman. So MAGAs wouldn't come crawling out saying that people of color couldn't possibly win without "political correctness," academy voters being "woke," or caving to political pressure. That's all the O.P. is talking about. "Just vote for the best “Actor” and “Actress” and “Film” etc... regardless of race or sexual orientation etc..." Why does the O.P. assume that this has not been done all along? The answer is clear: more and more women and people of color, esp. African-Americans are being nominated and winning. If this is happening then (to them) it is the result of "noise." It is not possible, in the conservative view, that other than white males can win on their own merit. And here we have the modern idiot liberal in his natural habitat. Spouting off bullshit. And here we have the modern conservative resorting to the Golden Book of the 1001 Best Jr. High School Hallway Insults instead of explaining what he meant by "pandering." Unless he CAN'T explain without proving I'm right, which is the reason for the childish response.
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Post by Prime etc. on May 4, 2021 17:09:58 GMT
They always were virtue signaling and making political points of it.
George C Scott was right! Art should not be a contest.
But the fact is, film eventually underwent the same phenomenon that visual art went through in the 20th century--the populist element was eroded.
This is the trouble they have now. You can't please everybody and when it comes to art, people do have preferences--if you want to cater to Asia you will lose other audiences--they will tune out.
Hopkins got the award because he is old.
It does not clash with the desire to erase European cultural expression.
He's the prince in Sleeping Beauty and the Academy voters are Maleficent--they let him out of the jail so he can ride off to get his sleeping beauty-the Oscar statue.
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Post by spooner5020 on May 4, 2021 17:57:33 GMT
And here we have the modern idiot liberal in his natural habitat. Spouting off bullshit. And here we have the modern conservative resorting to the Golden Book of the 1001 Best Jr. High School Hallway Insults instead of explaining what he meant by "pandering." Unless he CAN'T explain without proving I'm right, which is the reason for the childish response. Cute that you think I’m conservative. I’m independent. |
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Post by siberianhusky on May 4, 2021 19:04:37 GMT
Oscars should award intelligent Russian art films. Great Russian directors like Eisenstein and Tarkovsky no winning Best Director why Oscars are joke.
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Post by thisguy4000 on May 4, 2021 20:38:56 GMT
And here we have the modern conservative resorting to the Golden Book of the 1001 Best Jr. High School Hallway Insults instead of explaining what he meant by "pandering." Unless he CAN'T explain without proving I'm right, which is the reason for the childish response. Cute that you think I’m conservative. I’m independent. You can be an Independent and still lean towards conservatism.
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Post by spooner5020 on May 4, 2021 20:52:31 GMT
Cute that you think I’m conservative. I’m independent. You can be an Independent and still lean towards conservatism. Never said you couldn’t. He was just being an idiot. |
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Post by TutuAnimationPrincess on May 4, 2021 20:56:54 GMT
I already posted in this topic and thought I’d made a good enough point. However, since this topic has persisted, I’ll post again. The Oscars are trash, they almost always have been. They don’t care about the best when it come to acting or filmmaking, they never have. Also, this is not a political topic, so let’s keep that nonsense out of here. The best are what you think they are, screw these fake award shows and pseudo validations.
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Post by tastytomatoes on May 4, 2021 22:58:01 GMT
You implication here is that Daniel Kaluuya won best actor because he's black, Youn Yuh-jung won best actress because she is Asian, Nomadland won best picture and best director because Chloe Zhao is.... Asian-American. The most diverse list of winners in Oscar history and you discredit them by calling it an "experimentation with pandering". Shame on you. I’m talking about the format of the program. But I love how you went directly to a black actor winning as your example, not the many other races like two Asian winners in the same year Asian Hate is being reported. Mate, I listed all three wins.  When you are questioning the legitimacy of Yuh-jung and Chloe Zhoe's wins, you aren't only talking about the programme format are you? I read your posts above and it seems like you believe that individual Oscar voters are enforcing an ethnic quota in their vote choices. And you came to that conclusion because we have two Asian winners this year...well... perhaps you are the person who is pandering to the so-called "anti-wokeness" narrative. Buddy, you are the one trying to argue that two Asian wins amongst the current US anti-Asian hate crimes are not a coincidence. Just read that vits above has already covered what I want to say so I am just reiterating. There is no point discussing something so baseless... imagine someone says Anthony Hopkins only won because he's old, because there is a recent huge increase in senior citizen suicides 
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Post by Jason143 on May 5, 2021 20:03:06 GMT
My concern is that very few of the best picture winners attract a larger crowd. The Academy Awards will plunge into further irrelevancy of this continues. Maybe the Academy should reconsider that popular award they mulled over before. It might brighten up their dismal viewership from the past two years. I consider myself very open to new ideas and thoughts but seriously the past few winners and even nominees were/are niche films and not for a broad audience. They need another Ben Hur, Titanic, etc. aka blockbusters that also happen to be good films to fill in the nominee pool. This is what needs to happen, but not by bringing back the popular award. Enough of giving awards to small project indy movies that absolutely no one gives a damn about like Spotlight, Argo or Shape of Water. These could have been potential winners in the last few years 2020: 1917 2019: Joker 2018: A Star is Born 2017: Baby Driver 2016: The Revenant 2015: The Martian All high quality, critically acclaimed but also big box office receipts that appealed mainstream audiences. Surely thats a tougher task to pull off than making a boring drama on a small budget that grosses a couple of million. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on May 5, 2021 20:10:39 GMT
My concern is that very few of the best picture winners attract a larger crowd. The Academy Awards will plunge into further irrelevancy of this continues. Maybe the Academy should reconsider that popular award they mulled over before. It might brighten up their dismal viewership from the past two years. I consider myself very open to new ideas and thoughts but seriously the past few winners and even nominees were/are niche films and not for a broad audience. They need another Ben Hur, Titanic, etc. aka blockbusters that also happen to be good films to fill in the nominee pool. This is what needs to happen, but not by bringing back the popular award. Enough of giving awards to small project indy movies that absolutely no one gives a damn about like Spotlight, Argo or Shape of Water. These could have been potential winners in the last few years 2020: 1917 2019: Joker 2018: A Star is Born 2017: Baby Driver 2016: The Revenant 2015: The Martian All high quality, critically acclaimed but also big box office receipts that appealed mainstream audiences. Surely thats a tougher task to pull off than making a boring drama on a small budget that grosses a couple of million. Argo was not an indie project. It was a major studio movie directed by Ben Affleck that made over $100 million domestically. Also, 1917 came out the same year as Joker.
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Post by Jason143 on May 5, 2021 20:18:11 GMT
Argo was not an indie project. It was a major studio movie directed by Ben Affleck that made over $100 million domestically. Also, 1917 came out the same year as Joker. Point noted about Argos box office and 1917/Joker. But in terms of being memorable it has a very niche following with no modern day discussion about it. Django would be more deserving that year |
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Post by Vits on May 5, 2021 21:39:24 GMT
imagine someone says Anthony Hopkins only won because he's old, because there is a recent huge increase in senior citizen suicides Now that you mention it, every year people say "X won't get it because they've already won in the past and this year they're competing against someone who could win for the first time." I always say it's not true, and now Anthony and Frances McDormand serve as evidence. More evidence, actually. I also heard/read some people saying "Frances won't get it because her last win happened not that long ago" (even though plenty of people have won awards on 2 consecutive years). Point noted about Argos box office and 1917/Joker. But in terms of being memorable it has a very niche following with no modern day discussion about it. What are you talking about? People stopped talking about 1917 very quickly. Heck, a lot of people probably wouldn't have been interested in it without the Oscar buzz in the first place. And that's not a diss on the movie itself, which I loved, as well as JOKER*... but I also loved PARASITE and it's ridiculous to think that these should be the measurements for what makes a movie deserving of such an honor. Movies are art, but they're also mass products. And what do all mass products have in common? The truly great ones are the minority and the rest are consumed by the average buyer because they don't know any better. *It's a studio film because it's based on a comic book character, but it feels like an indie. I mean, a relatively slow character study that didn't cost that much money to make where the narrative has lots of ambiguity. Does that sound mainstream to anyone here?
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Post by marianne48 on May 6, 2021 0:00:07 GMT
If "prestigious" means those stuffy, British and mock-British Merchant-Ivory style period pieces that garnered so many Oscar nominations in various categories during the 1980s and 1990s (The English Patient, The Remains of the Day, etc.), then good riddance.
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Post by Jason143 on May 6, 2021 10:33:23 GMT
Movies are art, but they're also mass products. And what do all mass products have in common? The truly great ones are the minority and the rest are consumed by the average buyer because they don't know any better. Which is why I said its more difficult to make a "mass product" movie that has exceptional Oscar worthy quality and these type of films that are the minority as you put it should be recognised more for Best Picture wins rather than Birdman or Shape of Water which made less than 70million domestically each. And average audiences will remember 1917 more fondly than Parasite Im sure in time. |
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Post by Vits on May 6, 2021 19:35:56 GMT
Which is why I said its more difficult to make a "mass product" movie that has exceptional Oscar worthy quality and these type of films that are the minority as you put it should be recognised more for Best Picture wins rather than Birdman or Shape of Water which made less than 70million domestically each. No, when I said "mass product," I meant all movies. Even the "artsy" ones are produced with money with the purpose of earning money. Also, S.O.W. (yet another movie I love) is a genre film that has a lot more in common with current blockbusters. average audiences will remember 1917 more fondly than Parasite Im sure in time. I don't want to set anything in stone, because anything is possible, but that's very unlikely. Both gave us great viewing experiences, but PARASITE's script has already been dissected all over the internet because of the complexity of its script and will continue to be.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on May 6, 2021 19:40:48 GMT
"Arrrhggggg!!!!! Why do they give awards to people who aren't white?! That makes me so mad!!!! Also I have black friends, so I'm not racist!"
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