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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2021 16:27:14 GMT
Jesus says, “Do to others as you would have them do to you” (Luke 6:31). The Buddha says, “Consider others as yourself” (Dhammapada 10.1).
Jesus says, “If anyone strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also” (Luke 6:29). Buddha says, “If anyone should give you a blow with his hand, with a stick, or with a knife, you should abandon any desires [to hurt him] and utter no evil words” (Majjhima Nikaya 21.6).
Jesus says, “Truly I tell you, just as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me” (Matthew 25:45). Buddha says, “If you do not tend one another, then who is there to tend you? Whoever would tend me, he should tend the sick” (Vinaya, Mahavagga 8.26.3).
Basically, to sum everything up easily.
Take man made religion and doctrine out of this.
If you love everyone, as you love yourself. You will never break a commandment or sin. You wouldn't lie, cheat, steal, kill, etc... if you love someone.
So go forth you on here who seek spiritual wisdom. Spread love, not hate.
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Post by Prime etc. on May 4, 2021 17:44:57 GMT
Jesus said believe in me or you will go to hell.
I don't if Buddha had that philosophy.
From what I have read, there was competition in the time of Jesus for Messiah figures.
There was Apollonious of Tyana, there was Mani (of Manichean religion). Zoroastrianism.
It feels as though Christianity was the McDonalds of religious movements at the time-especially once Rome officially adopted it. The cross became the Golden Arches.
There was military conquest in Buddhism too--Ashoka, but Christianity spread through Roman channels -and there was a massacre of French people by the church over a religious schism they had. I forgot the name but there was competition even before Martin Luther.
As Mark Twain said "man is the only animal who has the true religion-several of them...he loves his neighbor as himself and slits his throat if his theology isn't straight. He's made a graveyard of the globe paving his brother's path to happiness and Heaven"
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Post by maya55555 on May 4, 2021 19:48:40 GMT
Jesus said believe in me or you will go to hell. I don't if Buddha had that philosophy. From what I have read, there was competition in the time of Jesus for Messiah figures. There was Apollonious of Tyana, there was Mani (of Manichean religion). Zoroastrianism. It feels as though Christianity was the McDonalds of religious movements at the time-especially once Rome officially adopted it. The cross became the Golden Arches. There was military conquest in Buddhism too--Ashoka, but Christianity spread through Roman channels -and there was a massacre of French people by the church over a religious schism they had. I forgot the name but there was competition even before Martin Luther. As Mark Twain said "man is the only animal who has the true religion-several of them...he loves his neighbor as himself and slits his throat if his theology isn't straight. He's made a graveyard of the globe paving his brother's path to happiness and Heaven" KNOW YOUR HISTORY. LUTHER NEVER PLANNED UPON A SEPARATE RELIGION, EVOLVING OUT OF HIS PROTESTS.
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Post by clusium on May 4, 2021 23:58:03 GMT
Buddha always struck me as being just a bit humbler than Jesus. He didn't refer to himself as the son of god, for one thing. Well of course he didn't!!!! For one thing, Buddha was Hindu, while Christ Was Jewish. Entirely different spiritualities & theologies. Judaism has Only One God, while Hinduism has numerous deities (even if they ARE, all supposed to be manifestations of the same deity). So which god would Buddha claim to be the son of?!? Vishnu? Shiva? Buddhists actually claim that the Buddha is HIGHER than gods & is the TEACHER of gods. The Teacher Of Gods And MenWhether the Buddha actually claimed this himself, I don't know. However, that is a pretty lofty claim for him (by his own followers, if not by himself). But, getting back to Christ's Claims to Be the Son Of God: The Gospels record 3 occasions where the Father Speaks to Christ, & during 2 of these occasions, He Says that Christ Is His Son. This happened at Our Lord's Baptism & at His Transfiguration. Throughout His Public Ministry, Christ strictly Forbade His Apostles from boldly proclaiming Him the Messiah & the Son Of God. The only time He Does this Himself, was right when He was Being Tried by the fanatical Sanhedrin, & it was right then, when He Became sentenced to Death by them. In spite of His Own Divinity, Christ Totally Submits to the Torture the Sanhedrin & then the Roman soldiers put Him through, all the way up to the moment when He Died. Then when Rose again on the Third Day, He Proved He Is the Son Of God. By contrast, the Buddha had lived a great many years, preaching, & died of natural causes (admittedly, if he had lived during the time that Christ Had Lived, he too would have probably been crucified for his teachings), & is NOT reported to have risen from the Dead. Buddha was a very good man, who sincerely wanted to bring an end suffering, but, in no way was he on par with Christ, not even in Humility. To suggest that he - or any person is - is to misrepresent & undermine Who Christ Is.
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Post by amyghost on May 5, 2021 10:30:02 GMT
Buddha always struck me as being just a bit humbler than Jesus. He didn't refer to himself as the son of god, for one thing. Well of course he didn't!!!! For one thing, Buddha was Hindu, while Christ Was Jewish. Entirely different spiritualities & theologies. Judaism has Only One God, while Hinduism has numerous deities (even if they ARE, all supposed to be manifestations of the same deity). So which god would Buddha claim to be the son of?!? Vishnu? Shiva? Buddhists actually claim that the Buddha is HIGHER than gods & is the TEACHER of gods.
The Teacher Of Gods And MenWhether the Buddha actually claimed this himself, I don't know. However, that is a pretty lofty claim for him (by his own followers, if not by himself). But, getting back to Christ's Claims to Be the Son Of God: The Gospels record 3 occasions where the Father Speaks to Christ, & during 2 of these occasions, He Says that Christ Is His Son. This happened at Our Lord's Baptism & at His Transfiguration. Throughout His Public Ministry, Christ strictly Forbade His Apostles from boldly proclaiming Him the Messiah & the Son Of God. The only time He Does this Himself, was right when He was Being Tried by the fanatical Sanhedrin, & it was right then, when He Became sentenced to Death by them. In spite of His Own Divinity, Christ Totally Submits to the Torture the Sanhedrin & then the Roman soldiers put Him through, all the way up to the moment when He Died. Then when Rose again on the Third Day, He Proved He Is the Son Of God. By contrast, the Buddha had lived a great many years, preaching, & died of natural causes (admittedly, if he had lived during the time that Christ Had Lived, he too would have probably been crucified for his teachings), & is NOT reported to have risen from the Dead. Buddha was a very good man, who sincerely wanted to bring an end suffering, but, in no way was he on par with Christ, not even in Humility. To suggest that he - or any person is - is to misrepresent & undermine Who Christ Is. I was being somewhat facetious about what Buddha referred to himself as, but to set the record straight: Jesus' own assertions
When in Matthew 16:15–16, Saint Peter states: "You are Christ, the Son of the living God", Jesus not only accepts the titles, but calls Peter "blessed" because his declaration had been revealed him by "my Father who is in Heaven". According to John Yieh, in this account the evangelist Matthew is unequivocally stating this as the church's view of Jesus.[54]
In the Sanhedrin trial of Jesus in Mark 14:61 when the high priest asked Jesus: "Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?" In the next verse, Jesus responded "I am". Jesus' claim here was emphatic enough to make the high priest tear his robe.[55]
In the new Testament Jesus uses the term "my Father" as a direct and unequivocal assertion of his sonship, and a unique relationship with the Father beyond any attribution of titles by others:[48]
In Matthew 11:27 Jesus claims a direct relationship to God the Father: "No one knows the Son except the Father and no one knows the Father except the Son", asserting the mutual knowledge he has with the Father.[48]
In John 5:23 he claims that the Son and the Father receive the same type of honor, stating: "so that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father".[48][56]
In John 5:26 he claims to possess life as the Father does: "Just as the Father has life in himself, so also he gave to his Son the possession of life in himself".[48][57]
In a number of other episodes Jesus claims sonship by referring to the Father, e.g. in Luke 2:49 when he is found in the temple a young Jesus calls the temple "my Father's house", just as he does later in John 2:16 in the Cleansing of the Temple episode.[48] In Matthew 3:17 and Luke 3:22 Jesus allows himself to be called the Son of God by the voice from above, not objecting to the title.[48]
References to "my Father" by Jesus in the New Testament are distinguished in that he never includes other individuals in them and only refers to his Father, however when addressing the disciples he uses your Father, excluding himself from the reference.[58]
New Testament references
In numerous places in the New Testament, Jesus is called the Son of God by various parties.
Humans, including evangelists, calling Jesus "Son of God"
Matthew 14:33, Matthew 16:16, Matthew 27:54, Mark 1:1, Mark 15:39, John 1:49, John 11:27, John 20:31, Acts 8:37, Acts 9:20, Romans 1:4, 2 Corinthians 1:19, Galatians 2:20, Ephesians 4:13, Hebrews 4:14, Hebrews 5:8, Hebrews 6:6, Hebrews 7:3, Hebrews 10:29, 1 John 3:8, 1 John 4:15, 1 John 5:1, 1 John 5:5, 1 John 5:10, 1 John 5:12, 1 John 5:13, 1 John 5:20, 2 John 1:3
his (i.e. God's) son, in various forms: John 3:16, John 3:17, Acts 3:13, Acts 3:26, Romans 1:3, Romans 1:9, Romans 5:10, Romans 8:3, Romans 8:29, Romans 8:32, 1 Corinthians 1:9, Galatians 1:16, Galatians 4:4, Galatians 4:6, Colossians 1:13, 1 Thessalonians 1:10, Hebrews 1:2, 1 John 1:3, 1 John 1:7, 1 John 3:23, 1 John 4:9, 1 John 4:10, 1 John 4:14, 1 John 5:9, 1 John 5:10, 1 John 5:11
Jesus calling himself "Son of God"
Matthew 26:63–64, Mark 14:61–62, Luke 22:70, John 3:18, John 5:25, John 10:36, John 11:4, Revelation 2:18
Jesus calling God his father
Matthew 7:21, Matthew 10:32, Matthew 10:33, Matthew 11:25, Matthew 11:26, Matthew 11:27, Matthew 12:50, Matthew 15:13, Matthew 16:17, Matthew 16:27, Matthew 18:10, Matthew 18:19, Matthew 18:35, Matthew 20:23, Matthew 25:34, Matthew 26:29, Matthew 26:39, Matthew 26:42, Matthew 26:53, Mark 8:38, Mark 14:36, Luke 2:49, Luke 10:21, Luke 10:22, Luke 22:29, Luke 22:42, Luke 23:34, Luke 23:46, Luke 24:49, John 2:16, John 5:17, John 5:19, John 5:43, John 6:32, John 6:40, John 8:19, John 8:38, John 8:49, John 8:54, John 10:17, John 10:18, John 10:25, John 10:29, John 10:37, John 12:26, John 12:27, John 14:2, John 14:7, John 14:20, John 14:21, John 14:23, John 14:31, John 15:1, John 15:8, John 15:10, John 15:15, John 15:23, John 15:24, John 16:10, John 16:23, John 16:25, John 16:32, John 17:1, John 17:5, John 17:11, John 17:21, John 17:24, John 17:25, John 18:11, John 20:17, John 20:21, Acts 1:4, Revelation 2:27, Revelation 3:5, Revelation 3:21Even if you accept the quibble that Jesus was referring to himself as God's son in a symbolic sense in a number of those verses, it still remains that he unequivocally refers to himself as what appears to be the literal son of God in eight of them. Paul assuredly asserted that Jesus was the literal son of God, and Jesus himself accepted the title in its literal meaning when it was accorded to him by Peter. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_God_(Christianity)#:~:text=Paul%20and%20John%20likewise%20maintained,names%20God%20as%20%22Father%22. It makes no nevermind as to whom adherents of Buddhism refer to Buddha as being, in relation to the gods. The point here is that there is strong evidence within the Bible itself that Jesus called himself 'Son of God' with a literal intent, and his most influential followers clearly believed him to be. Buddha at no point ever made such references to himself, and was at some pains during his lifetime to dispel the myths of miraculous birth that had already begun to accrue around him, claimed by his followers; something Jesus never did--in fact he was at some pains to encourage that belief amongst his disciples. Since I have no belief that either man was divine or on a divine footing, they are equal in my view, in that regard. Both were presumably good, mortal, men who wanted to achieve a good in the world. Both are on a par in this respect, and I don't accept into evidence supernatural claims that buttress the notion of Jesus' greater humility in the matter.
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Post by mystery on May 5, 2021 17:02:07 GMT
I find Buddhism interesting, but I'm not sure that I agree with the premise that desire causes suffering. In some sense, desire is hope. It's hope for a better future, it's the inspiration that motivates us to strive for our goals, and gives us purpose and meaning in life. Without desire, we would have no passion to do anything, and that in itself would cause suffering.
In my view, what causes us the most suffering is egotism. Our egos seem to cause so many problems in human civilization, like jealousy, hatred, judgmentalism, bigotry, arrogance, self-righteousness, lack of compassion for others, etc. People who are too self centered are usually miserable and depressed, because if you think you're the center of the universe, then that's a pretty lonely and empty universe. People seem to be happiest during those moments when they forget themselves, when they're focused on helping others, or getting lost in something they're passionate about, or even simply watching a beautiful sunset. The world would be a better place if more people would strive for egolessness and agape rather than fixating so much on themselves and their own glory.
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Post by maya55555 on May 5, 2021 22:39:41 GMT
Siddhartha Gautama preached that women were incapable of enlightenment due to their child bearing natures. Jesus the Christ had women in HIS ministry, whom He taught and accepted.
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Post by maya55555 on May 6, 2021 4:27:03 GMT
Siddhartha Gautama preached that women were incapable of enlightenment due to their child bearing natures. Jesus the Christ had women in HIS ministry, whom He taught and accepted. But they still can’t turn wine and bread into blood and flesh. ...and your point is?
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Post by rizdek on May 8, 2021 10:42:42 GMT
Jesus said believe in me or you will go to hell. I don't if Buddha had that philosophy. From what I have read, there was competition in the time of Jesus for Messiah figures. There was Apollonious of Tyana, there was Mani (of Manichean religion). Zoroastrianism. It feels as though Christianity was the McDonalds of religious movements at the time-especially once Rome officially adopted it. The cross became the Golden Arches. There was military conquest in Buddhism too--Ashoka, but Christianity spread through Roman channels -and there was a massacre of French people by the church over a religious schism they had. I forgot the name but there was competition even before Martin Luther. As Mark Twain said "man is the only animal who has the true religion-several of them...he loves his neighbor as himself and slits his throat if his theology isn't straight. He's made a graveyard of the globe paving his brother's path to happiness and Heaven" We likely don't know what Jesus the person actually ever said. But we know the words people put in the mouth of the Gospel Jesus.
Here is an example of what some people who scripted Jesus thought afterlife would be like. Luke 16
In this story, the people (who scripted Jesus) apparently weren't aware of the death on the cross and that accepting Jesus' gift of salvation was the way to avoid this suffering afterlife. It seems their belief was that people who were stingy in 'this' life would be punished in the afterlife.
But it does seem that at other times, they have Jesus saying that in some way, HE is the way to eternal life and the way to avoid being cast into hell.
There are many Bible interpreters who claim that hell isn't eternal, but rather a place of destruction/death. But this story suggests the 'duration' or time it takes for the hapless soul in hell is sufficient for the sufferer to think and communicate with Abraham's spirit.
I think the issue is that Jesus' 'messages' and the Christian doctrineS were cobbled together from a combination of OT rewrites, hallucinations, doctrines from other existing religions...like Buddhism and Zoroastrianism, and people's fevered imaginations. That is why the cafeteria style Christians can do pretty much whatever they like and believe whatever they want to and find some supporting concoction of OT an NT wording to support it...from burning heretics and witches to giving all their money to the poor to accumulating vast sums of wealth to giving their lives for other's salvation to living in rags to being celibate to having multiple wives and making as many babies as possible.
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Post by Prime etc. on May 8, 2021 16:01:02 GMT
Desire causing suffering makes me think about the term "run amok.'
Apparently that term originates in Malaysia.
I think it is the clash of biology and differences because parts of Asia are known for more controlled emotional states--which we do not say of the West.
Obviously Christianity and Buddhism face some conflict in the West because of the different emotional states.
Different strokes for different folks.
Desire causing suffering has some truth to it--but is it practical to eliminate desire?
I think it depends on the individual and probably what part of the world you come from too.
Running amok refers to kind of sudden spasmodic outburst of emotion--it is originally meant in relation to Asians having an emotional spaz out.
If the western term equivalence is "berserk" that is a different origin--that was referring to warriors in battle originally in the West. Berserker.
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Post by Archelaus on May 8, 2021 22:56:13 GMT
Chapter, line and verse; or it never happened, Honey. 2 Timothy 2:12 reads, "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." However, nowhere in Paul's letters to the churches does it state that it was divine instruction from Jesus. In fact, Paul mentions a female co-worker named Priscilla, and Phoebe, a deacon, in Romans 16. Also, in 1 Corinthians 14:39, Paul actually encouraged both men and women to prophesy. So, Paul doesn't forbid women from serving in ministry, but more so, he didn't want women speaking out of order or taking authority away from ordained men. He wanted everything to be done in decency and in order.
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