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Post by screamingtreefrogs on May 13, 2021 17:19:02 GMT
Nonsense
Better overall PPG and RPG - not even close
Joker more assits per game
FT and 3PT% are similar although Joker has a slight advantage
It's Jo-Jo
The guy that's never available for his team is more valuable over the years than the other guy putting up comparable numbers against stiffer competition. Sure thing, boss. How is he 'never' available
I'm lost on this one
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on May 13, 2021 17:21:17 GMT
The guy that's never available for his team is more valuable over the years than the other guy putting up comparable numbers against stiffer competition. Sure thing, boss. 24.9 ppg 18.4 ppg
They're similar #s?
11.3 rpg 9.8 rpg
They're similar?
I guess if we want to make a stretch a bit and appear like they're close
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 13, 2021 17:21:19 GMT
The guy that's never available for his team is more valuable over the years than the other guy putting up comparable numbers against stiffer competition. Sure thing, boss. How is he 'never' available
I'm lost on this one Compared to Jokic? I already explained it.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on May 13, 2021 17:24:13 GMT
How is he 'never' available
I'm lost on this one Compared to Jokic? I already explained it. You've also explained that Jo-Jo has never won a title
That's how many less than Joker
Oh that's right - Joker faces stiffer competition
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Post by SportsFan19 on May 13, 2021 17:25:50 GMT
Why do ppl argue with a fake persona?
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on May 13, 2021 17:30:53 GMT
Why do people continually respond and fawn for attention from a poster they despise?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 13, 2021 17:38:19 GMT
The guy that's never available for his team is more valuable over the years than the other guy putting up comparable numbers against stiffer competition. Sure thing, boss. How is he 'never' available
I'm lost on this one
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on May 13, 2021 17:39:24 GMT
How is he 'never' available
I'm lost on this one 64 is a very solid # for somebody with Jo-Jo's body
We have to take care of him so he's dominating 10 years from now
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 13, 2021 17:39:24 GMT
Compared to Jokic? I already explained it. You've also explained that Jo-Jo has never won a title
That's how many less than Joker
Oh that's right - Joker faces stiffer competition You're right. That's why I'd also laugh in your face if you said Jokic was more dominant than Olajuwon.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on May 13, 2021 17:42:31 GMT
You've also explained that Jo-Jo has never won a title
That's how many less than Joker
Oh that's right - Joker faces stiffer competition You're right. That's why I'd also laugh in your face if you said Jokic was more dominant than Olajuwon. We're talking about Jo-Jo and Dream here
Joker isn't even close to the discussion - we've discussed this above
Jo-Jo has had the better overall career as I've shown in PPG and RPG
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 13, 2021 17:44:44 GMT
The guy that's never available for his team is more valuable over the years than the other guy putting up comparable numbers against stiffer competition. Sure thing, boss. 24.9 ppg 18.4 ppg
They're similar #s?
11.3 rpg 9.8 rpg
They're similar?
I guess if we want to make a stretch a bit and appear like they're close
It's a rebound and a half. And I already pointed out the assist disparity. So yes, Jokic is responsible for generating as much offense as Embiid over the years.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on May 13, 2021 17:46:17 GMT
24.9 ppg 18.4 ppg
They're similar #s?
11.3 rpg 9.8 rpg
They're similar?
I guess if we want to make a stretch a bit and appear like they're close
It's a rebound and a half. And I already pointed out the assist disparity. So yes, Jokic is responsible for generating as much offense as Embiid over the years. PPG isn't even in the same neighborhood.....
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 13, 2021 17:47:35 GMT
You're right. That's why I'd also laugh in your face if you said Jokic was more dominant than Olajuwon. We're talking about Jo-Jo and Dream here
Joker isn't even close to the discussion - we've discussed this above
Jo-Jo has had the better overall career as I've shown in PPG and RPG
We are? Then the discussion was over before it started. Get back to me when Embiid wins an MVP, two titles and two Finals MVPs-- one of which was earned while matched up with a player the caliber of Shaq.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on May 13, 2021 17:49:08 GMT
24.9 ppg 18.4 ppg
They're similar #s?
11.3 rpg 9.8 rpg
They're similar?
I guess if we want to make a stretch a bit and appear like they're close
It's a rebound and a half. And I already pointed out the assist disparity. So yes, Jokic is responsible for generating as much offense as Embiid over the years. Here's another huge one
Joker isn't even in the same neighborhood for getting to the line
That is huge - drawing fouls - where Jo-Jo is also an elite FT shooter for a Big
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on May 13, 2021 17:50:06 GMT
We're talking about Jo-Jo and Dream here
Joker isn't even close to the discussion - we've discussed this above
Jo-Jo has had the better overall career as I've shown in PPG and RPG
We are? Then the discussion was over before it started. Get back to me when Embiid wins an MVP, two titles and two Finals MVPs-- one of which was earned while matched up with a player the caliber of Shaq. Oh I'm sorry
He just turned 27
I didn't know his career was over
And as I stated - we are talking about 'Most Gifted Big Man of All Time' and 'Overall Skillset'
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 13, 2021 17:51:20 GMT
It's a rebound and a half. And I already pointed out the assist disparity. So yes, Jokic is responsible for generating as much offense as Embiid over the years. PPG isn't even in the same neighborhood.....
Assists aren't in the same neighborhood. Games played aren't in the same neighborhood. Win shares aren't even in the same stratosphere.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on May 13, 2021 17:53:43 GMT
PPG isn't even in the same neighborhood.....
Assists aren't in the same neighborhood. Games played aren't in the same neighborhood. Win shares aren't even in the same stratosphere. PPG - Jo-Jo - not even the same stratosphere
RPG - Jo-Jo - over a rebound PG better
Jo-Jo average FTA - 9.1 Joker - average FTA - 3.9 - not even in the same Universe
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 13, 2021 18:14:43 GMT
We are? Then the discussion was over before it started. Get back to me when Embiid wins an MVP, two titles and two Finals MVPs-- one of which was earned while matched up with a player the caliber of Shaq. Oh I'm sorry
He just turned 27
I didn't know his career was over
And as I stated - we are talking about 'Most Gifted Big Man of All Time' and 'Overall Skillset'
You didn't say 'will be,' you said 'is.' It's funny how you keep having to shift your argument as I present actual facts that disprove your nonsense. Right now Embiid is not the dominant force prime Olajuwon was; right now Embiid isn't as dominant as Jokic is. 'The most gifted big man of all time' hasn't had half the career (in terms of winning, accolades, etc) as most dominant big men in history, nor is he currently having the most impressive year at his own position in the league. Ah, but the argument is 'overall skillset.' Not right now, of course. Because that would go to Jokic. According to you, in a vacuum, Embiid is better than Olajuwon. In totality, he's better than Jokic. Yet in reality, in the present, neither argument is true. This is a great thought experiment if nothing else. When another player clearly had a better career, you want to disregard that and focus on 'overall skillset.' When another player is clearly outplaying Embiid in the now, you want to focus on their overall careers. WS- Jokic has more than double! For their careers! (Hint, you don't even want to know what Dream's WS number is.) To your point though, neither player has won anything.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on May 13, 2021 18:45:55 GMT
Oh I'm sorry
He just turned 27
I didn't know his career was over
And as I stated - we are talking about 'Most Gifted Big Man of All Time' and 'Overall Skillset'
You didn't say 'will be,' you said 'is.' It's funny how you keep having to shift your argument as I present actual facts that disprove your nonsense. Right now Embiid is not the dominant force prime Olajuwon was; right now Embiid isn't as dominant as Jokic is. 'The most gifted big man of all time' hasn't had half the career (in terms of winning, accolades, etc) as most dominant big men in history, nor is he currently having the most impressive year at his own position in the league. Ah, but the argument is 'overall skillset.' Not right now, of course. Because that would go to Jokic. According to you, in a vacuum, Embiid is better than Olajuwon. In totality, he's better than Jokic. Yet in reality, in the present, neither argument is true. This is a great thought experiment if nothing else. When another player clearly had a better career, you want to disregard that and focus on 'overall skillset.' When another player is clearly outplaying Embiid in the now, you want to focus on their overall careers. WS- Jokic has more than double! For their careers! (Hint, you don't even want to know what Dream's WS number is.) To your point though, neither player has won anything. You are right
I did say 'Is'
Which he 'Is' the most Gifted Big Man of All-Time with the Greatest Skillset
For some reason you started talking about MVPs and Championships
This has '0' to do with having the greatest skillset a big man has ever had and being the most Gifted Big Man of All-Time
Skippy McGee the 12th man on the bench could have 30 titles too
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on May 13, 2021 18:55:07 GMT
Oh I'm sorry
He just turned 27
I didn't know his career was over
And as I stated - we are talking about 'Most Gifted Big Man of All Time' and 'Overall Skillset'
You didn't say 'will be,' you said 'is.' It's funny how you keep having to shift your argument as I present actual facts that disprove your nonsense. Right now Embiid is not the dominant force prime Olajuwon was; right now Embiid isn't as dominant as Jokic is. 'The most gifted big man of all time' hasn't had half the career (in terms of winning, accolades, etc) as most dominant big men in history, nor is he currently having the most impressive year at his own position in the league. Ah, but the argument is 'overall skillset.' Not right now, of course. Because that would go to Jokic. According to you, in a vacuum, Embiid is better than Olajuwon. In totality, he's better than Jokic. Yet in reality, in the present, neither argument is true. This is a great thought experiment if nothing else. When another player clearly had a better career, you want to disregard that and focus on 'overall skillset.' When another player is clearly outplaying Embiid in the now, you want to focus on their overall careers. WS- Jokic has more than double! For their careers! (Hint, you don't even want to know what Dream's WS number is.) To your point though, neither player has won anything. Also -
For all the talk about not winning a title since The Process started - for some reason people point to 'Ainge' and their 'Process'
I'm sorry - since 'The Process' started has Ainge brought the C's a title - in fact they seem to be regressing horribly and may blow the team up this offseason and fire the coach as we are ascending to the top of the league (for years to come) with our 'Process'
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