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Post by Nalkarj on Aug 24, 2021 19:26:17 GMT
I suggested the same to Bat. (I was similarly “banned” for a few days once.) He reached out to ProBoards, the company, and they contacted Admin, who confirmed to them that he had banned Bat. I agree with you that Bat has done nothing to warrant a ban. And yet, his account has not been deleted (NOT that I'm suggesting it should be, for Heaven's sake). What gives?  As far as I know, banning doesn’t result in your account’s (and posts’) deletion; the only thing that does that is self-deletion. I know that a few other people have been banned this week—for unknown reasons—and their accounts are still up. The whole thing is, yes, baffling.
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Post by divtal on Aug 24, 2021 22:06:00 GMT
"Bat," Banned?
I can't fathom what the cause might be ... even for a 10-minute Time-Out. He's always been enthusiastic in conversation, and supportive of threads ... without any nastiness in voicing a point-of-view.
I've noticed that he hasn't been positing, recently. And, I've seen posts asking about him. I just thought that he had decided to take a break, for personal reasons. That any action was taken against his account is stunning.
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Post by Nalkarj on Aug 25, 2021 2:21:08 GMT
"Bat," Banned? I can't fathom what the cause might be ... even for a 10-minute Time-Out. He's always been enthusiastic in conversation, and supportive of threads ... without any nastiness in voicing a point-of-view. I've noticed that he hasn't been positing, recently. And, I've seen posts asking about him. I just thought that he had decided to take a break, for personal reasons. That any action was taken against his account is stunning. I too can’t fathom what the cause is. You are correct, Bat did decide to take a break for personal reasons. Although I don’t want to get too far into details, soon after Bat returned to this board Admin decided to ban him—for reasons known only, apparently, to Admin. That any action was taken against his account is indeed stunning—and worrying.
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Post by ellynmacg on Aug 25, 2021 3:05:56 GMT
Ah. I didn't know those details about self-deletion. Thank you for the info.
The things I find most worrying--and frustrating--are that (1) he apparently has no recourse; (2) Administration is under no obligation to explain to him why he has been banned; and (3) if it happened to a nice person like BAT, how safe are any of us?
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Post by Nalkarj on Aug 25, 2021 3:31:35 GMT
Ah. I didn't know those details about self-deletion. Thank you for the info. Of course, don’t mention it!You’re right on everything. Bat has no recourse (a ProBoards moderator actually did him a favor by reaching out to Admin to confirm it was an intentional ban—that’s how little recourse he has), Admin has no obligation to explain why he bans anyone (it’s apparently written into whatever form we OK when we sign up here), and it could happen to any of us. I wish I had better news, but… That’s how things stand.
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Post by llanwydd on Aug 31, 2021 20:14:23 GMT
Please lets try to keep this fair and balanced. There are many on these boards including this board who remember BATouttaheck as a bully and a stalker. snsurone, SciFive, deembastille, gameboy, vits, northern, WarrenPeace, myself and several others would attest to it. Just ask any of them. snsurone especially was harrassed to the point that her involvement in this site was made a miserable experience. I was one of the first to say that BATouttaheck's absence was probably due to a ban.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2021 16:10:26 GMT
Please lets try to keep this fair and balanced. There are many on these boards including this board who remember BATouttaheck as a bully and a stalker. snsurone, SciFive, deembastille, gameboy, vits, northern, WarrenPeace, myself and several others would attest to it. Just ask any of them. snsurone especially was harrassed to the point that her involvement in this site was made a miserable experience. I was one of the first to say that BATouttaheck's absence was probably due to a ban. A bully and a stalker? BAT?! No way.
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Post by Admin on Nov 23, 2021 20:51:20 GMT
"Bat," Banned? I can't fathom what the cause might be ... even for a 10-minute Time-Out. He's always been enthusiastic in conversation, and supportive of threads ... without any nastiness in voicing a point-of-view. I've noticed that he hasn't been positing, recently. And, I've seen posts asking about him. I just thought that he had decided to take a break, for personal reasons. That any action was taken against his account is stunning. I too can’t fathom what the cause is. You are correct, Bat did decide to take a break for personal reasons. Although I don’t want to get too far into details, soon after Bat returned to this board Admin decided to ban him—for reasons known only, apparently, to Admin. That any action was taken against his account is indeed stunning—and worrying. You presume too much. So much so, in fact, that you're apparently worrying about it and trying to get everyone else to worry about it, too. Did the mod who told you he was banned also tell you why? For reasons I can only speculate, Bat stopped posting for several months, as I'm sure you know. And that's fine. But what you don't know is that he continued to report members here for what he felt were bannable offenses. Basically, he went into hiding and started sniping you guys. I sent him a PM about it, but he ignored me. So I banned him. However, I did approve his Penn Guinn sock last month and it looks like he's back in the saddle. You should have a little more trust in your Admin, Salzmank.
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Post by Nalkarj on Nov 23, 2021 22:08:47 GMT
I too can’t fathom what the cause is. You are correct, Bat did decide to take a break for personal reasons. Although I don’t want to get too far into details, soon after Bat returned to this board Admin decided to ban him—for reasons known only, apparently, to Admin. That any action was taken against his account is indeed stunning—and worrying. You presume too much. So much so, in fact, that you're apparently worrying about it and trying to get everyone else to worry about it, too. Did the mod who told you he was banned also tell you why? For reasons I can only speculate, Bat stopped posting for several months, as I'm sure you know. And that's fine. But what you don't know is that he continued to report members here for what he felt were bannable offenses. Basically, he went into hiding and started sniping you guys. I sent him a PM about it, but he ignored me. So I banned him. However, I did approve his Penn Guinn sock last month and it looks like he's back in the saddle. You should have a little more trust in your Admin, Salzmank. I think your post is egregiously unfair. First of all, I sent you a PM to get your take on the situation. The date was July 1, 2021. I was eminently fair to you and would never have posted what I posted if you responded. Explaining the ban, as you did here, would have been good. Even a reply like “I’m sorry, I can’t talk about bans, but I will consider what you (and others) wrote” would have sufficed. I know for a fact that other posters also reached out to you about the situation. But I, and others, received nothing. That is the reason I wrote this post. I did worry about the ban—it seemed random and shocking, especially as a bunch of us at Classics and several other boards are friends with Bat and speak with him off-site—but I didn’t want to say or do anything without getting all sides of the story. When you did not respond to me or anyone else, I wrote what I wrote. I did not want to “get everyone else to worry about it, too” and am unsure what led you to that conclusion. As for trust, we are all strangers posting on an internet forum. I’m friendly with many people here, yes, but I don’t know them “in real life,” nor do they know me. In that situation how can one say we should have “a little more trust” in anyone? Again, I wanted to hear all sides of the story, the reason I reached out to Bat and to you. I was eminently fair to you, Admin. I did not criticize you in this thread; I criticized your decision. Nor did I even post in this thread—again, wanting to give you every opportunity—until persistenceofvision posted. Once again, I think your post calling me out—something, again, I did not do to you—is deeply unfair and, on the subject of trust, will only reduce posters’ trust in this site and its administration.
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Post by Admin on Nov 23, 2021 22:12:24 GMT
You presume too much. So much so, in fact, that you're apparently worrying about it and trying to get everyone else to worry about it, too. Did the mod who told you he was banned also tell you why? For reasons I can only speculate, Bat stopped posting for several months, as I'm sure you know. And that's fine. But what you don't know is that he continued to report members here for what he felt were bannable offenses. Basically, he went into hiding and started sniping you guys. I sent him a PM about it, but he ignored me. So I banned him. However, I did approve his Penn Guinn sock last month and it looks like he's back in the saddle. You should have a little more trust in your Admin, Salzmank. I think your post is egregiously unfair. First of all, I sent you a PM to get your take on the situation. The date was July 1, 2021. I was eminently fair to you and would never have posted what I posted if you responded. Explaining the ban, as you did here, would have been good. Even a reply like “I’m sorry, I can’t talk about bans, but I will consider what you (and others) wrote” would have sufficed. I know for a fact that other posters also reached out to you about the situation and received no response. But I, and others, received nothing. That is the reason I wrote what I wrote. I did worry about the ban—it seemed random and shocking, especially as a bunch of us at Classics and several other boards are friends with Bat and speak with him off-site—but I didn’t want to say or do anything without getting all sides of the story. When you did not respond to me or anyone else, I wrote what I wrote. I did not want to “get everyone else to worry about it, too” and am unsure what led you to that conclusion. As for trust, we are all strangers posting on an internet forum. I’m friendly with many people here, yes, but I don’t know them “in real life,” nor do they know me. In that situation how can one say we should have “a little more trust” in anyone? Again, I wanted to hear all sides of the story, the reason I reached out to Bat and to you. I was eminently fair to you, Admin. I did not criticize you in this thread; I criticized your decision. Nor did I even post in this thread—again, wanting to give you every opportunity—until persistenceofvision posted. Once again, I think your post calling me out—something, again, I did not do to you—is deeply unfair and, on the subject of trust, will only reduce posters’ trust in this site and its administration. And this is why bans should not be discussed. That I didn’t respond to your PM should have given you a clue. |
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Post by Penn Guinn on Nov 23, 2021 23:28:26 GMT
First, I want to publicly thank Nalkarj for his cool head post above, and, I also here want to publicly thank those who have privately counselled me during the personally disturbing summer we have puzzled over, and I have had to endure. The post before the administrator's which re-opened this thread was what ... from Sept 3rd...? Why the heck, Admin or perhaps more interestingly who the heck has motivated you bringing this up? Rather than me speculating, please explain yourself administrator. You don't have to?, you don't want to? I understand, but are you going to - how did you put it about me ....ignore this,... ignore me? That is correct, as you said, I didn't post for quite a while, and I didn't respond to you within 24 hrs of your last pm to me, which unbeknownst to me required an answer, or else I'd be banned?!Huh?! No you did not warn me of any such possibility, in any such way, ... go back and look. How about you publicly post your so called warning pm. You claim you've never banned anyone for fighting with you. Well, let's see, eh? I and everyone else here know You have the upper hand, and I might just as mysteriously disappear again, and you could make up any story you want about me, and I'd AGAIN have no way to argue otherwise, or discuss or reason with you about it. YOU, cut me off utterly. I don't like to get into arguments, or endless round and round, I for the most part try to let these things pass, as again for the most part being not worth my time or yours either, or anyone else's. I just wanna have fun here! Play the word games!, the movie games!!, chit chat, etc. And Yes again, I reported breaches (IMO) of terms of usage (TOS), (penis pictures, "kill yourself" posts, racial slurs and the like - for your evaluation)... by the way - at your request, ("...neighborhood watch - I believe you called for ?) It probably was delusionary on my part to think you appreciated such things brought to your attn before they might (your call of course) arise to the attn of pro-boards. But apparently you don't want to hear about such things as penis pictures (and the like), kill yourself posts, racial slurs, graphic murders, or any other such things, or at least you don't want to hear them from me. Right? Never mind - you don't have to say yes or no to that, I understand. DO NOT PM ME ABOUT THIS. Let's keep it open, on the table, public. I don't want any more surprises like you did to me this past summer. Okay? |
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Post by Admin on Nov 24, 2021 0:17:36 GMT
First, I want to publicly thank Nalkarj for his cool head post above, and, I also here want to publicly thank those who have privately counselled me during the personally disturbing summer we have puzzled over, and I have had to endure. The post before the administrator's which re-opened this thread was what ... from Sept 3rd...? Why the heck, Admin or perhaps more interestingly who the heck has motivated you bringing this up? Rather than me speculating, please explain yourself administrator. You don't have to?, you don't want to? I understand, but are you going to - how did you put it about me ....ignore this,... ignore me? That is correct, as you said, I didn't post for quite a while, and I didn't respond to you within 24 hrs of your last pm to me, which unbeknownst to me required an answer, or else I'd be banned?!Huh?! No you did not warn me of any such possibility, in any such way, ... go back and look. How about you publicly post your so called warning pm. You claim you've never banned anyone for fighting with you. Well, let's see, eh? I and everyone else here know You have the upper hand, and I might just as mysteriously disappear again, and you could make up any story you want about me, and I'd AGAIN have no way to argue otherwise, or discuss or reason with you about it. YOU, cut me off utterly. I don't like to get into arguments, or endless round and round, I for the most part try to let these things pass, as again for the most part being not worth my time or yours either, or anyone else's. I just wanna have fun here! Play the word games!, the movie games!!, chit chat, etc. And Yes again, I reported breaches (IMO) of terms of usage (TOS), (penis pictures, "kill yourself" posts, racial slurs and the like - for your evaluation)... by the way - at your request, ("...neighborhood watch - I believe you called for ?) It probably was delusionary on my part to think you appreciated such things brought to your attn before they might (your call of course) arise to the attn of pro-boards. But apparently you don't want to hear about such things as penis pictures (and the like), kill yourself posts, racial slurs, graphic murders, or any other such things, or at least you don't want to hear them from me. Right? Never mind - you don't have to say yes or no to that, I understand. DO NOT PM ME ABOUT THIS. Let's keep it open, on the table, public. I don't want any more surprises like you did to me this past summer. Okay? The neighborhood watch is for the neighborhood, not snipers, and warnings are a courtesy, not an obligation. I tried to open a dialogue with you via PM, but you ignored me. As for your demand that I explain myself, I just did, but I did so at my discretion. Again, you are not entitled to anything here. Wanna have fun? Then by all means knock yourself out. But if you want to hide and snipe your so-called friends, you'll need to find another place to play.
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Post by Penn Guinn on Nov 24, 2021 1:26:48 GMT
The neighborhood watch is for the neighborhood, not snipers, and warnings are a courtesy, not an obligation. I tried to open a dialogue with you via PM, but you ignored me. As for your demand that I explain myself, I just did, but I did so at my discretion. Again, you are not entitled to anything here. Wanna have fun? Then by all means knock yourself out. But if you want to hide and snipe your so-called friends, you'll need to find another place to play. I vigorously disagree with your characterizations above, especially "sniper", and that I ignore(d) you. Especially the latter because, like you, I respond at my considered discretion, not necessarily on demand (implied or explicit) from anybody. I presume you of all people, can respect that? Having had most of my say above, and had a chance to cool off (some), there's something else I think deserves some thought here. I want to thank you for hosting this site. Yes, in the bigger scheme things. I understand it can not be easy to be in your position, and yet you continue to voluntarily do so, which I hope is because you still want to. Which is what made my banning all the more mysterious to most who have posted in this thread, and so too has been personally painful for me.
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Post by Admin on Nov 24, 2021 1:50:15 GMT
The neighborhood watch is for the neighborhood, not snipers, and warnings are a courtesy, not an obligation. I tried to open a dialogue with you via PM, but you ignored me. As for your demand that I explain myself, I just did, but I did so at my discretion. Again, you are not entitled to anything here. Wanna have fun? Then by all means knock yourself out. But if you want to hide and snipe your so-called friends, you'll need to find another place to play. I vigorously disagree with your characterizations above, especially "sniper", and that I ignore(d) you. Especially the latter because, like you, I respond at my considered discretion, not necessarily on demand (implied or explicit) from anybody. I presume you of all people, can respect that? Having had most of my say above, and had a chance to cool off (some), there's something else I think deserves some thought here. I want to thank you for hosting this site. Yes, in the bigger scheme things. I understand it can not be easy to be in your position, and yet you continue to voluntarily do so, which I hope is because you still want to. Which is what made my banning all the more mysterious to most who have posted in this thread, and so too has been personally painful for me. I marked that thread as satire. You probably also noticed that I approved the sock you're on now. What more do you want from me? Besides letting you silently police this forum, that is. I mean, if you want to serial report, then please do so - just do it as an active member and not someone on the sidelines who just wants to see people banned due to his hurt butt. Thanks. Oh, and just FYI, you didn't report any adult material while you were sniping. It was mostly all subjectively racist posts, some of which were removed thanks to your reports.
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Post by Penn Guinn on Nov 24, 2021 2:58:47 GMT
IMDB2.freeforums.net/post/4574106/threadI marked that thread as satire. You probably also noticed that I approved the sock you're on now. What more do you want from me? Besides letting you silently police this forum, that is. I mean, if you want to serial report, then please do so - just do it as an active member and not someone on the sidelines who just wants to see people banned due to his hurt butt. Thanks. Oh, and just FYI, you didn't report any adult material while you were sniping. It was mostly all subjectively racist posts, some of which were removed thanks to your reports. "https://IMDB2.freeforums.net/post/4574106/thread" fyi you still have me banned from that ".../thread"
" You probably also noticed that I approved the sock you're on now."I did, and until you for some reason revived this thread, I was happily, and properly I presume, participating here.
"What more do you want from me? Besides letting you silently police this forum, that is. I mean, if you want to serial report, then please do so - just do it as an active member...."Someone else can help you with any heads up alerts. "...not someone on the sidelines who just wants to see people banned due to his hurt butt. Thanks."Just as info, any alerts about questionable posts were always regarding content, no matter who it may have been from, Whether you want to believe it or not. Your "...sniping...hurt butt." appellation is laughable. Sorry man.
"Oh, and just FYI, you didn't report any adult material while you were sniping. It was mostly all subjectively racist posts, some of which were removed thanks to your reports."No I don't think I did (report adult content..) during that specific time frame; but if you're implying I never did report such, and thereby some part(s) of what I've said are not to be believed, I'm not going to let you so misrepresent me. Set your search a little wider please. Glad if you thought some alerts were worthy to act on. You're welcome.
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Post by Admin on Nov 24, 2021 4:18:14 GMT
fyi you still have me banned from that ".../thread" Sorry about that. By default, new accounts don't have access to some areas of this forum. You should have said something a long time ago. Fixed. I see. So now you only care about this forum when you're not posting on it? Good to know.
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Post by Penn Guinn on Nov 24, 2021 4:41:11 GMT
fyi you still have me banned from that ".../thread" Sorry about that. By default, new accounts don't have access to some areas of this forum. You should have said something a long time ago. Fixed. ... Thanks. I didn't say anything because I figured the continued lockouts after my reaching three digits was on purpose and not for me to know why. Enthusiastically playing the assorted games and reading / talking about films are imo the best part of the boards and hopefully that will continue with no more drama. But it is nice to be able to keep up with the threads elsewhere even if you have no desire to participate in them.
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