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Post by yougotastewgoinbaby on May 21, 2021 16:16:32 GMT
I was poisoning my brain this morning looking at Twitter and saw this gem on my feed.
I think Socrates got “canceled” harder than any right wing ghoul this guy simps for.
Anyone else see some funny tweets related to historical figures or events? Post them here, por favor.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on May 21, 2021 16:50:52 GMT
This one is stupid because both Hitler and Napoleon invaded Russia in the summer- And its even worse considering that it says that she is a history teacher.
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Post by politicidal on May 21, 2021 21:59:13 GMT
This one is stupid because both Hitler and Napoleon invaded Russia in the summer- And its even worse considering that it says that she is a history teacher. Well, she's American. History isn't one of our strengths.
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Post by yougotastewgoinbaby on Jul 24, 2021 21:48:25 GMT
But Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson were... 
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Post by marianne48 on Jul 28, 2021 16:37:15 GMT
But Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson were... Forget it, Jake. It's Arizona.
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Post by amyghost on Jul 29, 2021 14:05:09 GMT
This one is stupid because both Hitler and Napoleon invaded Russia in the summer- And its even worse considering that it says that she is a history teacher. Although it's correct that both men began their invasions in the summer months (The French invasion of Russia took place between June 23 and December 14, 1812; Operation Barbarossa lasted from June 22 to December 5, 1941), it's also correct that it was the ferocity of the Russian winter that neither reckoned on properly during their respective campaigns, that ultimately led to crushing defeat in both cases. While it doesn't add to the teacher's cred to have posted the wrong season of the year in which the invasions were initially launched, it's not a totally unforgivable mistake--it's the imagery of troops freezing to death in the arctic cold that's been burned into the consciousness of most present-day perceptions of the French and German invasions, promoted by sources as diverse as everything from Tolstoi's atmospheric descriptions in War and Peace to the barrage of jokes about being sent to the Russian Front in a silly sitcom like Hogan's Heroes. Hitler surely should have been aware of what his army would have been facing when the Russian winter came; it was due to his own cocksure foolishness in believing that the country could be subdued within a matter of a few weeks that led to the disaster; so it's not exactly wrong to point up his stupidity in the matter, considering what a military genius he thought himself to be. That said, Twitter is probably the 'best' source on planet Earth currently for giving one's brains the bends by reading those tweets.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jul 29, 2021 17:26:46 GMT
Napoleon thoguht Alexander I would give battle before the French got too far into Russia. The nobility would demand the army drive the invader out before they burned their stuff. And this anticipated battle would turn out like the others, Austerlitz, Friedland etc. The amazing thing is that Bonaparte, a man noted for thinking on his feet, didn't have a Plan B except to hope the Russian Army was drawn up for battle on the next hill. He should have stopped at Smolensk but he couldn't leave the army there without him and he knew his enemies were scheming in Paris so he had to go back ASAP. The true headscratcher was the face that he took the same road leaving Moscow as he did coming. Worst possible route.
Hitler knew of Napoleon's blunder. But the Wehrmacht had advantages the Grande Armee did not. Motorized transport, aircraft, hell railways. And, while we look at Russia as unconquerable, it didn't look that way to anyone who remembered The Great War. Hitler figured that the Commie house of cards would tumble, even if he didn't crush the USSR in a couple weeks
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Post by lunda2222 on Aug 7, 2021 1:08:01 GMT
Although it's correct that both men began their invasions in the summer months (The French invasion of Russia took place between June 23 and December 14, 1812; Operation Barbarossa lasted from June 22 to December 5, 1941), it's also correct that it was the ferocity of the Russian winter that neither reckoned on properly during their respective campaigns, that ultimately led to crushing defeat in both cases. While it doesn't add to the teacher's cred to have posted the wrong season of the year in which the invasions were initially launched, it's not a totally unforgivable mistake--it's the imagery of troops freezing to death in the arctic cold that's been burned into the consciousness of most present-day perceptions of the French and German invasions, promoted by sources as diverse as everything from Tolstoi's atmospheric descriptions in War and Peace to the barrage of jokes about being sent to the Russian Front in a silly sitcom like Hogan's Heroes. Hitler surely should have been aware of what his army would have been facing when the Russian winter came; it was due to his own cocksure foolishness in believing that the country could be subdued within a matter of a few weeks that led to the disaster; so it's not exactly wrong to point up his stupidity in the matter, considering what a military genius he thought himself to be. That said, Twitter is probably the 'best' source on planet Earth currently for giving one's brains the bends by reading those tweets. In Hitler's defence (and I can't believe I'm saying those words) he didn't have any choice but to invade Russia when he did. If he didn't and win, he would have lost the war which (of course) he did.
You see Germany was desperately running out of oil for the German military engine. When they did, they would have been sitting ducks.
And the only available oil field at the time was in the Caucasus region which produced 90% of Russia's oil.
Germany's real blunder during that campaign was not to go after the oil immediately and then defend it. If they did, they might have starved USSR for the same oil and thereby bring the mighty bear to it's knees. Instead they attacked northward seeking to cut of it's head (Stalin) hoping that if they did, the USSR would have surrendered.
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Post by vegalyra on Aug 18, 2021 0:18:21 GMT
Don't forget that Hitler had to postpone his invasion of Russia a bit because of having to go into the Balkans because Mussolini's Italian forces couldn't beat down the Greeks and the Yugoslavians. Hitler had to take care of the Balkan problem to cover his flank before going into Russia. That cost him some time, which probably partially led to his army being bogged down outside of Moscow during the Winter.
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Post by Winter_King on Aug 18, 2021 10:08:46 GMT
Although it's correct that both men began their invasions in the summer months (The French invasion of Russia took place between June 23 and December 14, 1812; Operation Barbarossa lasted from June 22 to December 5, 1941), it's also correct that it was the ferocity of the Russian winter that neither reckoned on properly during their respective campaigns, that ultimately led to crushing defeat in both cases. While it doesn't add to the teacher's cred to have posted the wrong season of the year in which the invasions were initially launched, it's not a totally unforgivable mistake--it's the imagery of troops freezing to death in the arctic cold that's been burned into the consciousness of most present-day perceptions of the French and German invasions, promoted by sources as diverse as everything from Tolstoi's atmospheric descriptions in War and Peace to the barrage of jokes about being sent to the Russian Front in a silly sitcom like Hogan's Heroes. Hitler surely should have been aware of what his army would have been facing when the Russian winter came; it was due to his own cocksure foolishness in believing that the country could be subdued within a matter of a few weeks that led to the disaster; so it's not exactly wrong to point up his stupidity in the matter, considering what a military genius he thought himself to be. That said, Twitter is probably the 'best' source on planet Earth currently for giving one's brains the bends by reading those tweets. In Hitler's defence (and I can't believe I'm saying those words) he didn't have any choice but to invade Russia when he did. If he didn't and win, he would have lost the war which (of course) he did.
You see Germany was desperately running out of oil for the German military engine. When they did, they would have been sitting ducks.
And the only available oil field at the time was in the Caucasus region which produced 90% of Russia's oil.
Germany's real blunder during that campaign was not to go after the oil immediately and then defend it. If they did, they might have starved USSR for the same oil and thereby bring the mighty bear to it's knees. Instead they attacked northward seeking to cut of it's head (Stalin) hoping that if they did, the USSR would have surrendered.
I still think that focusing on kicking the British out of the Mediterranean by capturing Malta and trying to get to that Middle Eastern oil would've been easier than taking out the Soviet Union. Admittedly capturing Gibraltar and the Suez would've doomed British efforts in Africa but I think Germany could only capture Gibraltar if Spain had joined the Axis so I don't know how things would've turned out. Going for the Caucasus region sounds like the smart move but by not focusing on North, there was a significant chance that effort would've failed too because then Soviet forces from the North would be free to help in the South. During the invasion of Russia, Army Group Centre that was advancing towards Moscow, had to stop until Army Group South could take Ukraine and that delay pretty much allowed the Soviet Union to bring in reserves from Siberia that would eventually defeat the Germans in the Battle of Moscow. If that hadn't happened, then maybe Moscow could be captured but others have suggested if Ukraine wasn't captured, then Army Group Centre would have it's flank exposed.
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Post by lunda2222 on Aug 18, 2021 10:58:23 GMT
I still think that focusing on kicking the British out of the Mediterranean by capturing Malta and trying to get to that Middle Eastern oil would've been easier than taking out the Soviet Union. Admittedly capturing Gibraltar and the Suez would've doomed British efforts in Africa but I think Germany could only capture Gibraltar if Spain had joined the Axis so I don't know how things would've turned out. Going for the Caucasus region sounds like the smart move but by not focusing on North, there was a significant chance that effort would've failed too because then Soviet forces from the North would be free to help in the South. During the invasion of Russia, Army Group Centre that was advancing towards Moscow, had to stop until Army Group South could take Ukraine and that delay pretty much allowed the Soviet Union to bring in reserves from Siberia that would eventually defeat the Germans in the Battle of Moscow. If that hadn't happened, then maybe Moscow could be captured but others have suggested if Ukraine wasn't captured, then Army Group Centre would have it's flank exposed. All of those are possibilities. That's the problem with trying to guess what the paths not taken would lead to.
What we do know is that Germany's strategy failed and was therefore the wrong one. That does not mean there was a right, or a better path.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Aug 18, 2021 15:56:02 GMT
The main problem is that many people think that the German and French invasion of Russia in 1941 and 1812 started in the winter.
Also Napoleon lost more men during the summer in Russia than the winter.
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