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Post by screamingtreefrogs on May 21, 2021 17:37:12 GMT
Pro Football Focus is pretty decent and a go to source (for me at least) for all things football -
Teams QBs Ranked (on who is expected to be starting) -
1. Pat Mahomes 2. Tom Brady 3. Aaron Rodgers 4. Russell Wilson 5. DeShaun Watson 6. Josh Allen 7. Dak Prescott 8. Lamar Jackson 9. Matt Ryan 10. Baker Mayfield 11. Matt Stafford 12. Ryan Tannehill 13. Derek Carr 14. Kirk Cousins 15. Justin Herbert 16. Ben Roethlisberger 17. Kyler Murray 18. Joe Burrow 19. Ryan Fitzpatrick 20. Daniel Jones 21. Trevor Lawrence 22. Jimmy Garappolo 23. Carson Wentz 24. Jameis Winston/Tayson Hill 25. Justin Fields 26. Jared Goff 27. Cam Newton 28. Sam Darnold 29. Tua Tagovailoa 30. Zach Wilson 31. Jalen Hurts 32. Drew Lock
Agree? Disagree? Feel as if your team has been disrespected? Expect anybody to jump up? Fall off?
I'd like to see Murray and Burrow make massive leaps this year - to the point where they're in Top 10 discussion at the end of year
And I expect Zach to be in Top 15 discussion after his rookie year (as well as Trevor for that matter)....
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Post by hehatesshe on May 21, 2021 18:05:44 GMT
I think their #1 and #2 should be switched, and their #31 and #32 should be switched.
Looks good otherwise.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on May 21, 2021 18:18:26 GMT
Very happy for Baker and Lamar
Especially Baker after being ridiculed for years
Didn't Russ have a very bad last half of the year last year? Is his ranking too high?
I get you can't just go on half a years worth of work and he has an outstanding resume; however look at Big Ben and the disrespect he got. Russ getting a pass here because of reputation and previous work history?
Surprised (but happy) Dak is over Matty Ice and everbody's Golden Boy Matt Stafford
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Post by Xeliou66 on May 21, 2021 19:04:29 GMT
1 and 2 should be switched, Brady is the GOAT and just beat Mahomes in the Super Bowl. Other than that I agree with their top 5. I think Lamar and Matty Ice should be above Dak, and Stafford should be above Mayfield. I don’t get how you can rate rookies like Lawrence and Wilson who’ve never played a snap of NFL football, who knows how they will turn out? I agree about Lock being the worst, the Broncos are going to be fucked royally if they are stuck with him again at QB this year.
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Post by tristramshandy on May 21, 2021 19:26:33 GMT
Herbert is already better than Carr and Cousins and will be miles ahead of Mayfield and Tannehill by the end of the season.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on May 21, 2021 19:28:57 GMT
Herbert is already better than Carr and Cousins and will be miles ahead of Mayfield and Tannehill by the end of the season. How about Baker and Lamar ahead of Big Ben?
That's got to hurt a bit, no?
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Post by tristramshandy on May 21, 2021 20:55:20 GMT
Herbert is already better than Carr and Cousins and will be miles ahead of Mayfield and Tannehill by the end of the season. How about Baker and Lamar ahead of Big Ben?
That's got to hurt a bit, no?
They are better than him now - - but it's only about age. Ben had five playoff wins through his first three seasons; those two have two combined in their first three seasons. After this year, they start to cost a lot of money, and their teams become a lot more shallow. If they don't do it this year, they've wasted their cheap contract window.
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Post by millar70 on May 21, 2021 21:57:17 GMT
I'm not sure why Derek Carr is constantly overrated, but maybe these guys aren't watching the same games that I have watched him play.
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Post by Xeliou66 on May 21, 2021 22:42:11 GMT
I think Jimmy G and Goff are underrated on this list, both of them have been to Super Bowls. I’m not sure why neither of those guys get much respect, I mean Goff led the Rams to the playoffs in 3 of his 4 years as a starter there and Jimmy G very nearly won the Super Bowl with the Niners. I feel like both of those guys get crapped on because they came up short in the Super Bowl, while people ignore the fact that they actually got to the Super Bowl which is a great accomplishment. Meanwhile Derek Carr sits at 14 and he’s done shit in the playoffs and remains one of the most overrated players in the NFL.
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Post by Shane Falco on May 22, 2021 0:32:27 GMT
Is this based on last season or expectations going into this upcoming season?
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on May 22, 2021 0:54:53 GMT
Is this based on last season or expectations going into this upcoming season? Probably a little of both.
I wonder where Josh Allen was ranked 12 months ago? It wasn't #6
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Post by Shane Falco on May 22, 2021 1:00:59 GMT
Is this based on last season or expectations going into this upcoming season? Probably a little of both.
I wonder where Josh Allen was ranked 12 months ago? It wasn't #6
I'm curious by this before I judge the rankings. I want to assume it is projection based considering rookies are rated higher. But I dont follow PFF that much to know if they are basing the rookie rankings on how they graded them in college. If it is projection based I think Watson should be taken off the list completely until his issues get resolved. I'll be surprised if he plays. I would have Brady at 3 behind Rodgers and Allen and Dak above Wilson as I think the Seahawks run more. Dak I think will put up ridiculous numbers but the Cowboys might not be winning so he could put up Brees level of yards and pass attempts trying to stay in games. |
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on May 22, 2021 10:54:23 GMT
I wasn't going to bring this up because I didn't want to make it appear as if I was making this thread about the Eagles -
But I love the fact they have Hurtsy at #31
I love the disrespect. A lot of people use that as fuel in life.
I think we're going to surprise a lot of people this year and be a fun team to watch with a positive upbeat coach - can't wait for the season to start - wish it started tomorrow
I'm expecting Wentzy to regain his form as well and I'd love to see him in the Super Bowl
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Post by bluerisk on May 22, 2021 14:33:15 GMT
I like Fitzpatrick, but is he really better than Trevor Lawrence? Ah yes, Lawrence hasn't played a single snap in the NFL...so is he the next super star, or a major bust?
And how is Mahomes better than Brady, when he lost with the defending Super Bowl winners, while Brady had to lead a 7-9 losing record team as new QB through three on the road play of games to a Super Bowl, where Mahomes did not manage a single TD?
This is more a fanboy list. Or Rodgers, as reigning MVP.
Mahomes is third at best after the performance of last years: easy schedule, and yet an abysmal defeat when running into a true opponent.
A guy who was running for his life when it mattered the most can't be the best player of the league. Yes, he fought bravely, but he couldn't lead hist team, overcome it short comings, compensate gaps, couldn't even make a single outstanding move. And players like Kelce where still there. The pocket wasn't breached every single time. Two injured O-line players does not excuse everything.
OH, it's not only the playoffs that matters, but also the regular season?
Then again: Rodgers is MVP, and Brady had to overcome massive obstacles and the Bucs development was most impressive one.
Brady (in the end one plays for the ring, not for stats, and the "learning curve" of the Bucs)
Rodgers (MVP with a team, that is not as packed as the Chiefs)
Mahomes (absolute elite players, but the Super Bowl proved that he is no GOAT)
Stafford only 11?! If so, why did the Rams bother at all and didn't even try to get Watson? Imagine they had still the opportunity to go for Rodgers...
Mayfield is also underrated, while Dak Presscot is massively overrated. Did they rank his contract, or his impact?
Herbert, Burrows, Zack Wilson, and Lawrence are also not fairly rated imho.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on May 22, 2021 14:39:18 GMT
I like Fitzpatrick, but is he really better than Trevor Lawrence? Ah yes, Lawrence hasn't played a single snap in the NFL...so is he the next super star, or a major bust? And how is Mahomes better than Brady, when he lost with the defending Super Bowl winners, while Brady had to lead a 7-9 losing record team as new QB through three on the road play of games to a Super Bowl, where Mahomes did not manage a single TD? This is more a fanboy list. Or Rodgers, as reigning MVP. Mahomes is third at best after the performance of last years: easy schedule, and yet an abysmal defeat when running into a true opponent. A guy who was running for his life when it mattered the most can't be the best player of the league. Yes, he fought bravely, but he couldn't lead hist team, overcome it short comings, compensate gaps, couldn't even make a single outstanding move. And players like Kelce where still there. The pocket wasn't breached every single time. Two injured O-line players does not excuse everything. OH, it's not only the playoffs that matters, but also the regular season? Then again: Rodgers is MVP, and Brady had to overcome massive obstacles and the Bucs development was most impressive one. Brady (in the end one plays for the ring, not for stats, and the "learning curve" of the Bucs) Rodgers (MVP with a team, that is not as packed as the Chiefs) Mahomes (absolute elite players, but the Super Bowl proved that he is no GOAT) Stafford only 11?! If so, why did the Rams bother at all and didn't even try to get Watson? Imagine they had still the opportunity to go for Rodgers... Mayfield is also underrated, while Dak Presscot is massively overrated. Did they rank his contract, or his impact? Herbert, Burrows, Zack Wilson, and Lawrence are also not fairly rated imho. I like Fitzy too - but he reminds me of when Cousins played for the Skins
He'd put up jaw dropping stats - but his teams would finish like 7-9, 8-8, 9-7 and he'd disappear when the lights were shining on him
Seems like Fitzy puts together like a string of like 4 games where his stats are off the charts then disappears
Agree about Baker. Love him. Can't wait to see what he does this year
My Super Bowl is Browns over Cowboys
As far as Stafford - I may be off - but has he ever won a playoff game? I get he's been on some bad Lions teams but he's been around forever, no? I'm really curious to see what he does with the Rams
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Post by tristramshandy on May 22, 2021 15:09:46 GMT
I like Fitzpatrick, but is he really better than Trevor Lawrence? Ah yes, Lawrence hasn't played a single snap in the NFL...so is he the next super star, or a major bust? And how is Mahomes better than Brady, when he lost with the defending Super Bowl winners, while Brady had to lead a 7-9 losing record team as new QB through three on the road play of games to a Super Bowl, where Mahomes did not manage a single TD? This is more a fanboy list. Or Rodgers, as reigning MVP. Mahomes is third at best after the performance of last years: easy schedule, and yet an abysmal defeat when running into a true opponent. A guy who was running for his life when it mattered the most can't be the best player of the league. Yes, he fought bravely, but he couldn't lead hist team, overcome it short comings, compensate gaps, couldn't even make a single outstanding move. And players like Kelce where still there. The pocket wasn't breached every single time. Two injured O-line players does not excuse everything. OH, it's not only the playoffs that matters, but also the regular season? Then again: Rodgers is MVP, and Brady had to overcome massive obstacles and the Bucs development was most impressive one. Brady (in the end one plays for the ring, not for stats, and the "learning curve" of the Bucs) Rodgers (MVP with a team, that is not as packed as the Chiefs) Mahomes (absolute elite players, but the Super Bowl proved that he is no GOAT) Stafford only 11?! If so, why did the Rams bother at all and didn't even try to get Watson? Imagine they had still the opportunity to go for Rodgers... Mayfield is also underrated, while Dak Presscot is massively overrated. Did they rank his contract, or his impact? Herbert, Burrows, Zack Wilson, and Lawrence are also not fairly rated imho. I like Fitzy too - but he reminds me of when Cousins played for the Skins
He'd put up jaw dropping stats - but his teams would finish like 7-9, 8-8, 9-7 and he'd disappear when the lights were shining on him
Seems like Fitzy puts together like a string of like 4 games where his stats are off the charts then disappears
Agree about Baker. Love him. Can't wait to see what he does this year
My Super Bowl is Browns over Cowboys
As far as Stafford - I may be off - but has he ever won a playoff game? I get he's been on some bad Lions teams but he's been around forever, no? I'm really curious to see what he does with the Rams
Mayfield's QB rating last year was 15th, slotted right in between Matthew Stafford and Gardner Minshew. He had more weapons than the Lions and Jaguars combined. Can't wait until the Browns' salary cap is gobbled up by his average ass.
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Post by bluerisk on May 22, 2021 16:53:07 GMT
I like Fitzpatrick, but is he really better than Trevor Lawrence? Ah yes, Lawrence hasn't played a single snap in the NFL...so is he the next super star, or a major bust? And how is Mahomes better than Brady, when he lost with the defending Super Bowl winners, while Brady had to lead a 7-9 losing record team as new QB through three on the road play of games to a Super Bowl, where Mahomes did not manage a single TD? This is more a fanboy list. Or Rodgers, as reigning MVP. Mahomes is third at best after the performance of last years: easy schedule, and yet an abysmal defeat when running into a true opponent. A guy who was running for his life when it mattered the most can't be the best player of the league. Yes, he fought bravely, but he couldn't lead hist team, overcome it short comings, compensate gaps, couldn't even make a single outstanding move. And players like Kelce where still there. The pocket wasn't breached every single time. Two injured O-line players does not excuse everything. OH, it's not only the playoffs that matters, but also the regular season? Then again: Rodgers is MVP, and Brady had to overcome massive obstacles and the Bucs development was most impressive one. Brady (in the end one plays for the ring, not for stats, and the "learning curve" of the Bucs) Rodgers (MVP with a team, that is not as packed as the Chiefs) Mahomes (absolute elite players, but the Super Bowl proved that he is no GOAT) Stafford only 11?! If so, why did the Rams bother at all and didn't even try to get Watson? Imagine they had still the opportunity to go for Rodgers... Mayfield is also underrated, while Dak Presscot is massively overrated. Did they rank his contract, or his impact? Herbert, Burrows, Zack Wilson, and Lawrence are also not fairly rated imho. I like Fitzy too - but he reminds me of when Cousins played for the Skins
He'd put up jaw dropping stats - but his teams would finish like 7-9, 8-8, 9-7 and he'd disappear when the lights were shining on him
Seems like Fitzy puts together like a string of like 4 games where his stats are off the charts then disappears
Agree about Baker. Love him. Can't wait to see what he does this year
My Super Bowl is Browns over Cowboys
As far as Stafford - I may be off - but has he ever won a playoff game? I get he's been on some bad Lions teams but he's been around forever, no? I'm really curious to see what he does with the Rams
I'm agree with you in all thing you said but Stafford. I don't say he is a top five player, but - imho - certainly top ten. But now he has a team which can compete. So no more excuses for him. PS: Best wishes for "Fitzy", and it would be great if he made it to the play offs...I might be wrong, but he never made it there, didn't he?
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Post by bluerisk on May 22, 2021 16:56:53 GMT
I like Fitzy too - but he reminds me of when Cousins played for the Skins
He'd put up jaw dropping stats - but his teams would finish like 7-9, 8-8, 9-7 and he'd disappear when the lights were shining on him
Seems like Fitzy puts together like a string of like 4 games where his stats are off the charts then disappears
Agree about Baker. Love him. Can't wait to see what he does this year
My Super Bowl is Browns over Cowboys
As far as Stafford - I may be off - but has he ever won a playoff game? I get he's been on some bad Lions teams but he's been around forever, no? I'm really curious to see what he does with the Rams
Mayfield's QB rating last year was 15th, slotted right in between Matthew Stafford and Gardner Minshew. He had more weapons than the Lions and Jaguars combined. Can't wait until the Browns' salary cap is gobbled up by his average ass. The same can be said about Mahomes and his packed roster. There is a reason why Rodgers, Wilson and Brees have only one ring. I'm even thinking why not exclude one player from the cap space and let the team decide how much they are willing to pay.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on May 22, 2021 17:02:35 GMT
I'm agree with you in all thing you said but Stafford. I don't say he is a top five player, but - imho - certainly top ten. But now he has a team which can compete. So no more excuses for him. PS: Best wishes for "Fitzy", and it would be great if he made it to the play offs...I might be wrong, but he never made it there, didn't he? He had a pretty good year with Jets circa 5 years ago or so Can't recall if that team made the playoffs though....
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Post by onethreetwo on May 22, 2021 17:50:52 GMT
Allen is too low at 6 and Goff is too high at 26.
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