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Post by dirtypillows on May 22, 2021 4:50:46 GMT
I don't mind Ed Kemper too much. His mother was horrible. If he had only killed her instead of the other girls, who were completely innocent.
And I have deep reserves of affection for Aileen Wournos. I think she's practically at martyr status. I put her on the list because I wanted to see if anybody would choose her. When I go to Youtube, I find that there are many, many others who feel the same way I do about AW. That actually heartens me.
And Ed Gein almost makes me laugh. There was just something so simplistic, even goofy, about him. But I know that there is something very dark and twisted about him as well. Obviously. He was the inspiration for Robert Bloch's novel "Psycho" and then of course, the Hitchcock film. And Norman Bates IS highly sympathetic. Much more so in the movie than the book, which has none of the movie's glee. And wasn't Gein the inspiration, at least in part, for "Texas Chainsaw Massacre"?
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Post by moviemouth on May 22, 2021 4:52:35 GMT
I see it differently. I would would have been glad to receive that letter if I was the parent, if only to know that he didn't rape her first and that she was strangled and not butchered to death. That letter could have been a lot crueler, but it is really just a confession to the mother. He does add some unnecessary stuff in there, but it is more or less just telling the story of what happened. However, I can't speak to what his actual motive for sending the letter was. I have never had much of an issue with what happens after someone is already dead. I don't know. Fish talked about frying up the girl's buttocks with some onions and carrots and how good she tasted. I don't think that is going to bring peace of mind to any parent. Agreed, which is why I addressed that. Overall though I think it would be nice to know my 10-year old daughter wasn't raped or butchered, at least before death. Then again, I am only able to comment on it from my perspective. If the parents have issues with what happens after death (which they likely did, as most people do to some extent or another) then it is a lot more disturbing. Once the death occurs the rest in the letter doesn't mean much to me.
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Post by moviemouth on May 22, 2021 4:54:22 GMT
I don't mind Ed Kemper too much. His mother was horrible. If he had only killed her instead of the other girls, who were completely innocent. And I have deep reserves of affection for Aileen Wournos. I think she's practically at martyr status. I put her on the list because I wanted to see if anybody would choose her. When I go to Youtube, I find that there are many, many others who feel the same way I do about AW. That actually heartens me. And Ed Gein almost makes me laugh. There was just something so simplistic, even goofy, about him. But I know that there is something very dark and twisted about him as well. Obviously. He was the inspiration for Robert Bloch's novel "Psycho" and then of course, the Hitchcock film. And Norman Bates IS highly sympathetic. Much more so in the movie than the book, which has none of the movie's glee. And wasn't Gein the inspiration, at least in part, for "Texas Chainsaw Massacre"?
Yes, and the works of Thomas Harris. Ed Gein only for sure killed 2 people and maybe his brother. He is more gross than anything. Grave-robbing, eating body parts. making furniture and clothes out of skin and I think necrophilia. I was reading about Kemper and his story just kind of makes me sad. Not to take away from the horrible nature of his crimes and the death of his victims obviously. Have you watched Mindhunters?
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on May 22, 2021 5:12:46 GMT
I had never even heard of Elizabeth Bathory, but reading about her she has to be the darkest. It is hard to disagree with John Wayne Gacy and Albert Fish as the second and third most disturbing. Pedro López deserves an mention too. Besides the killings themselves Ted Bundy isn't all that creepy. Báthory has been labeled by Guinness World Records as the most prolific female murderer, though the number of her victims is debated.[2] Báthory and four collaborators were accused of torturing and killing hundreds of girls and women between 1590 and 1610.[3] The highest number of victims cited during Báthory's trial was 650 but this number comes from the claim by a servant girl named Susannah that Jakab Szilvássy, Báthory's court official, had seen the figure in one of Báthory's private books. The book was never revealed and Szilvássy never mentioned it in his testimony.[4] Despite the evidence against Báthory, her family's importance protected her from a death sentence. She was imprisoned in December 1610 within Castle of Csejte, in Upper Hungary (now Slovakia). The stories of Báthory's sadistic serial murders are verified by the testimony of more than 300 witnesses and survivors as well as physical evidence and the presence of horribly mutilated dead, dying and imprisoned girls found at the time of her arrest.[5] Stories describing Báthory's vampiric tendencies, such as the tale that she bathed in the blood of virgins to retain her youth, were generally recorded years after her death, and are considered unreliable. Her story quickly became part of national folklore, and her infamy persists to this day.[6] Some insist she inspired Bram Stoker's Dracula (1897),[7] though there is no evidence to support this hypothesis.[8] Nicknames and literary epithets attributed to her include The Blood Countess and Countess Dracula. Not sure why there aren't any good movies about her. There is one called Bathory: Countess of Blood from 2008, but not very well reviewed. Then there is The Countess (2009) starring Julie Delpy, William Hurt and Daniel Bruhl. This one isn't well rated either. Class has its privileges. She was able to live the rest of her life under house arrest, imprisoned as it were, but able to move about her castle.
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Post by dirtypillows on May 22, 2021 5:12:53 GMT
I live in Wisconsin. "Welcome to Wisconsin - We Eat People." That was a joke about what the state moto should be. Anyway, we had neighbors (a very religious family too) and the husband was raised in the town where Ed Gein lived and he had relatives who went fishing with Ed Gein's brother, supposedly. This one is a fact - My Mom had an uncle (he is long dead now) who worked at Mendota Mental Health Institution, ward for the criminally insane when Ed Gein was incarcerated there. That's all wild stuff to hear, moviemouth. This is nothing new, but religion can do more harm than good. People can take their religion very, very seriously. I live in Indiana, so we're neighbors. Indiana is every bit as conservative as Wisconsin. I'm trying to think of any serial killers or other depraved types who were from this boring ass state. There was Jim Jones, who orchestrated the mass murder-suicide in Jonestown in 1978. Gertrude Baniszewski is infamous for the torture slaying of Sylvia Likens. I've been by her house on the East side of Indianapolis. And Charles Manson lived in Indianapolis when he was a teenager. I know he was sent to boys' reform school in Terre Haute. Working at a ward for the criminally insane... Whew. I know some people could do that and some people could not. I would belong to the second group. I would not be able to shake it off.
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Post by moviemouth on May 22, 2021 5:21:16 GMT
I live in Wisconsin. "Welcome to Wisconsin - We Eat People." That was a joke about what the state moto should be. Anyway, we had neighbors (a very religious family too) and the husband was raised in the town where Ed Gein lived and he had relatives who went fishing with Ed Gein's brother, supposedly. This one is a fact - My Mom had an uncle (he is long dead now) who worked at Mendota Mental Health Institution, ward for the criminally insane when Ed Gein was incarcerated there. That's all wild stuff to hear, moviemouth. This is nothing new, but religion can do more harm than good. People can take their religion very, very seriously. I live in Indiana, so we're neighbors. Indiana is every bit as conservative as Wisconsin. I'm trying to think of any serial killers or other depraved types who were from this boring ass state. There was Jim Jones, who orchestrated the mass murder-suicide in Jonestown in 1978. Gertrude Baniszewski is infamous for the torture slaying of Sylvia Likens. I've been by her house on the East side of Indianapolis. And Charles Manson lived in Indianapolis when he was a teenager. I know he was sent to boys' reform school in Terre Haute. Working at a ward for the criminally insane... Whew. I know some people could do that and some people could not. I would belong to the second group. I would not be able to shake it off. I actually live in a very VERY liberal part of Wisconsin.
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Post by moviemouth on May 22, 2021 5:23:29 GMT
I had never even heard of Elizabeth Bathory, but reading about her she has to be the darkest. It is hard to disagree with John Wayne Gacy and Albert Fish as the second and third most disturbing. Pedro López deserves an mention too. Besides the killings themselves Ted Bundy isn't all that creepy. Báthory has been labeled by Guinness World Records as the most prolific female murderer, though the number of her victims is debated.[2] Báthory and four collaborators were accused of torturing and killing hundreds of girls and women between 1590 and 1610.[3] The highest number of victims cited during Báthory's trial was 650 but this number comes from the claim by a servant girl named Susannah that Jakab Szilvássy, Báthory's court official, had seen the figure in one of Báthory's private books. The book was never revealed and Szilvássy never mentioned it in his testimony.[4] Despite the evidence against Báthory, her family's importance protected her from a death sentence. She was imprisoned in December 1610 within Castle of Csejte, in Upper Hungary (now Slovakia). The stories of Báthory's sadistic serial murders are verified by the testimony of more than 300 witnesses and survivors as well as physical evidence and the presence of horribly mutilated dead, dying and imprisoned girls found at the time of her arrest.[5] Stories describing Báthory's vampiric tendencies, such as the tale that she bathed in the blood of virgins to retain her youth, were generally recorded years after her death, and are considered unreliable. Her story quickly became part of national folklore, and her infamy persists to this day.[6] Some insist she inspired Bram Stoker's Dracula (1897),[7] though there is no evidence to support this hypothesis.[8] Nicknames and literary epithets attributed to her include The Blood Countess and Countess Dracula. Not sure why there aren't any good movies about her. There is one called Bathory: Countess of Blood from 2008, but not very well reviewed. Then there is The Countess (2009) starring Julie Delpy, William Hurt and Daniel Bruhl. This one isn't well rated either. She was able to live the rest of her life under house arrest, imprisoned as it were, but able to move about her castle. You would think 100+ rapes and murders would be wear they draw the line.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on May 22, 2021 5:26:04 GMT
Class has its privileges. She was able to live the rest of her life under house arrest, imprisoned as it were, but able to move about her castle. You would think 100+ rapes and murders would be wear they draw the line. Not if you're rich.
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Post by dirtypillows on May 22, 2021 5:46:23 GMT
I don't mind Ed Kemper too much. His mother was horrible. If he had only killed her instead of the other girls, who were completely innocent. And I have deep reserves of affection for Aileen Wournos. I think she's practically at martyr status. I put her on the list because I wanted to see if anybody would choose her. When I go to Youtube, I find that there are many, many others who feel the same way I do about AW. That actually heartens me. And Ed Gein almost makes me laugh. There was just something so simplistic, even goofy, about him. But I know that there is something very dark and twisted about him as well. Obviously. He was the inspiration for Robert Bloch's novel "Psycho" and then of course, the Hitchcock film. And Norman Bates IS highly sympathetic. Much more so in the movie than the book, which has none of the movie's glee. And wasn't Gein the inspiration, at least in part, for "Texas Chainsaw Massacre"?
Yes, and the works of Thomas Harris. Ed Gein only for sure killed 2 people and maybe his brother. He is more gross than anything. Grave-robbing, eating body parts. making furniture and clothes out of skin and I think necrophilia. I was reading about Kemper and his story just kind of makes me sad. Not to take away from the horrible nature of his crimes and the death of his victims obviously. Have you watched Mindhunters? I agree that Gein was as gross as he was anything else. I wonder what it is about the Midwest that produces such an output of unsavory types? Besides the two lovelies from your home state and the ones I mentioned from Indiana, Charlie was born in Cincinatti, Aileen in Michigan, Gacy in Chicago and Carl Panzram in Minnesota. I've watched interviews with Ed Kemper and he comes across as quite likable. Oh, well. No, I've never seen "Mindhunter". It's a tv show, right?
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Post by moviemouth on May 22, 2021 5:59:24 GMT
Yes, and the works of Thomas Harris. Ed Gein only for sure killed 2 people and maybe his brother. He is more gross than anything. Grave-robbing, eating body parts. making furniture and clothes out of skin and I think necrophilia. I was reading about Kemper and his story just kind of makes me sad. Not to take away from the horrible nature of his crimes and the death of his victims obviously. Have you watched Mindhunters? I agree that Gein was as gross as he was anything else. I wonder what it is about the Midwest that produces such an output of unsavory types? Besides the two lovelies from your home state and the ones I mentioned from Indiana, Charlie was born in Cincinatti, Aileen in Michigan, Gacy in Chicago and Carl Panzram in Minnesota. I've watched interviews with Ed Kemper and he comes across as quite likable. Oh, well. No, I've never seen "Mindhunter". It's a tv show, right? It is a Netflix show created by David Fincher. He directs a handful of episodes too and it is about the FBI forming it's serial killer profiling unit. The first season is excellent and Edmond Kemper is a key character. Not only does the actor look very similar (he is even the 6'4" or taller), but his performance is great.
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Post by onethreetwo on May 22, 2021 6:01:22 GMT
BTK is another dark one. Mass murderers like Adam Lanza and Anders Behring Breivik are incredibly evil too. From that list I'd probably have to go Bathory though.
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Post by moviemouth on May 22, 2021 6:02:23 GMT
BTK is another dark one. Mass murderers like Adam Lanza and Anders Behring Breivik are incredibly evil too. From that list I'd probably have to go Bathory though. Speaking of Mindhunter.
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Post by onethreetwo on May 22, 2021 6:02:37 GMT
I agree that Gein was as gross as he was anything else. I wonder what it is about the Midwest that produces such an output of unsavory types? Besides the two lovelies from your home state and the ones I mentioned from Indiana, Charlie was born in Cincinatti, Aileen in Michigan, Gacy in Chicago and Carl Panzram in Minnesota. I've watched interviews with Ed Kemper and he comes across as quite likable. Oh, well. No, I've never seen "Mindhunter". It's a tv show, right? It is a Netflix show created by David Fincher. He directs a handful of episodes too and it is about the FBI forming it's serial killer profiling unit. The first seasons is excellent and Edmond Kemper is a key character. Not only does the actor look very similar (he is even the 6'4" or taller), but his performance is brilliant. Agreed. The actor playing Ed Kemper is very good on that show. |
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Post by moviemouth on May 22, 2021 6:06:34 GMT
It is a Netflix show created by David Fincher. He directs a handful of episodes too and it is about the FBI forming it's serial killer profiling unit. The first seasons is excellent and Edmond Kemper is a key character. Not only does the actor look very similar (he is even the 6'4" or taller), but his performance is brilliant. Agreed. The actor playing Ed Kemper is very good on that show. David Fincher is obsessed with serial killers. There was even movie about the Torso Killer in which Eliot Ness was involved in the case that Fincher was supposedly attached to at one point. I am still annoyed that this movie never came to be.
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Post by dirtypillows on May 22, 2021 6:23:01 GMT
I agree that Gein was as gross as he was anything else. I wonder what it is about the Midwest that produces such an output of unsavory types? Besides the two lovelies from your home state and the ones I mentioned from Indiana, Charlie was born in Cincinatti, Aileen in Michigan, Gacy in Chicago and Carl Panzram in Minnesota. I've watched interviews with Ed Kemper and he comes across as quite likable. Oh, well. No, I've never seen "Mindhunter". It's a tv show, right? It is a Netflix show created by David Fincher. He directs a handful of episodes too and it is about the FBI forming it's serial killer profiling unit. The first season is excellent and Edmond Kemper is a key character. Not only does the actor look very similar (he is even the 6'4" or taller), but his performance is great. Have you ever seen "Deranged" (1974)?
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Post by dirtypillows on May 22, 2021 6:26:53 GMT
BTK is another dark one. Mass murderers like Adam Lanza and Anders Behring Breivik are incredibly evil too. From that list I'd probably have to go Bathory though. BTK - another sickie from the Midwest (Kansas)!!!
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Post by moviemouth on May 22, 2021 6:28:00 GMT
It is a Netflix show created by David Fincher. He directs a handful of episodes too and it is about the FBI forming it's serial killer profiling unit. The first season is excellent and Edmond Kemper is a key character. Not only does the actor look very similar (he is even the 6'4" or taller), but his performance is great. Not the whole movie. I have seen Ed Gein (2000) starring Steve Railsback though. He also plays Charles Manson in Helter Skelter.
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Post by dirtypillows on May 22, 2021 6:52:29 GMT
Have you ever seen "Deranged" (1974)? Not the whole movie. I have seen Ed Gein (2000) starring Steve Railsback though. He also plays Charles Manson in Helter Skelter. I met Steve Railsback at a horror movie convention several years ago. Actually, I didn't actually meet him because I was not much interested in him. But it must have been a HS kind of reunion because Marilyn Burns was at the same table and I was much more interested in her. She was cool.
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Post by Nora on May 22, 2021 7:35:20 GMT
I had never even heard of Elizabeth Bathory, but reading about her she has to be the darkest. It is hard to disagree with John Wayne Gacy and Albert Fish as the second and third most disturbing. Pedro López deserves an mention too. Besides the killings themselves Ted Bundy isn't all that creepy. Báthory has been labeled by Guinness World Records as the most prolific female murderer, though the number of her victims is debated.[2] Báthory and four collaborators were accused of torturing and killing hundreds of girls and women between 1590 and 1610.[3] The highest number of victims cited during Báthory's trial was 650 but this number comes from the claim by a servant girl named Susannah that Jakab Szilvássy, Báthory's court official, had seen the figure in one of Báthory's private books. The book was never revealed and Szilvássy never mentioned it in his testimony.[4] Despite the evidence against Báthory, her family's importance protected her from a death sentence. She was imprisoned in December 1610 within Castle of Csejte, in Upper Hungary (now Slovakia). The stories of Báthory's sadistic serial murders are verified by the testimony of more than 300 witnesses and survivors as well as physical evidence and the presence of horribly mutilated dead, dying and imprisoned girls found at the time of her arrest.[5] Stories describing Báthory's vampiric tendencies, such as the tale that she bathed in the blood of virgins to retain her youth, were generally recorded years after her death, and are considered unreliable. Her story quickly became part of national folklore, and her infamy persists to this day.[6] Some insist she inspired Bram Stoker's Dracula (1897),[7] though there is no evidence to support this hypothesis.[8] Nicknames and literary epithets attributed to her include The Blood Countess and Countess Dracula. Not sure why there aren't any good movies about her. There is one called Bathory: Countess of Blood from 2008, but not very well reviewed. Then there is The Countess (2009) starring Julie Delpy, William Hurt and Daniel Bruhl. This one isn't well rated either. For some reason, considering the magnitude and high sensationailsm of her murders, Elizabeth Bathory is not all that well known. For me the reason why she is perhaps the darkest of these dark, profoundly disturbed individuals is the cold-blooded nature of her crimes. Bathing in virgin blood. Yikes! But I had never heard of her until I saw the movie Hostel 2. The scene where Heather Matarazzo gets hung upside down and all the rest... Terrible movie, but brutally effective. Eli Roth must be one sick puppy. But Albert Fish takes the cake for me. Those dead eyes are too much. i wonder how much of what is said about her was really true though... |
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Post by theravenking on May 22, 2021 14:33:41 GMT
The Elizabeth Báthory case has been contested by some historians. They claim that the accusations were mostly malicious rumours spread by rival aristocrats who wanted to get their hands on her lands and possessions. One of Báthory's relatives was also planning a conspiracy against the ruling Habsburg dynasty which might've been further reason to weaken her family.
We shouldn't forget that witch trials were a common thing for that age and once accused it would've been very difficult even for a noblewoman to clear herself of suspicion.
Many elements of the Báthory legend come from a book written by the Jesuit priest László Turóczi who was heavily biased against Báthory, because she had converted to Protestantism.
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