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Post by TheGoodMan19 on May 24, 2021 0:52:12 GMT
And, in the case of a great percentage, you'll hear neighbors and acquaintances say the same thing "Gee, he was such a nice guy. He seemed normal". Exceptions, of course, I bet no one ever said that about Ed Gein. But I know people said it about Dean Corll, Dennis Rader, Ted Bundy, David Berkowitz, John Gacy.
I recently picked up a magazine about true crime, serial killers, etc., and I think it was on Bundy's page, a quote was listed from a neighbor who said 'He doesn't LOOK like a serial killer', I know people were less enlightened back then but seriously, what would you expect a serial killer to LOOK like?
It’s more than just looks. Ed Gein could have been mistaken for a kooky old geezer. Charles Manson, just another hippie. It’s their every day activities. Gacy got his picture taken with Roselyn Carter. Dennis Rader was a big shot in his church. It’s rare to hear someone say “I always wondered about him...”
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Post by autumn on May 24, 2021 1:49:52 GMT
A couple British monsters Peter Sutcliffe, “The Yorkshire Ripper “ butchered 13 women Ian Brady and Myra Hindley, the “Moor Murderers” . Raped and killed four children. Completely without remorse. And a Russian, Andrew Chikatilo. 52 women and children in the USSR. Made a good movie about him, Citizen X These are terrifying accounts. Absolutely terrifying. Yet we've heard so little if anything about these people, and so many deaths. Horrific deaths. I can't get over these horrific accounts yet these names are so elusive.
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Post by novastar6 on May 24, 2021 1:55:10 GMT
I recently picked up a magazine about true crime, serial killers, etc., and I think it was on Bundy's page, a quote was listed from a neighbor who said 'He doesn't LOOK like a serial killer', I know people were less enlightened back then but seriously, what would you expect a serial killer to LOOK like?
It’s more than just looks. Ed Gein could have been mistaken for a kooky old geezer. Charles Manson, just another hippie. It’s their every day activities. Gacy got his picture taken with Roselyn Carter. Dennis Rader was a big shot in his church. It’s rare to hear someone say “I always wondered about him...”
Might be, but I think we can all agree, it's hard to deny the public has a bias with what they deem 'good looking people'. Hell even back in the 70s on Andy Griffith, Aunt Bee said 'sure you can tell on TV who the bad guy is, they make them ugly with scars and tattoos, then it's obvious'. Same thing today. If Ted Bundy was a 300 pound guy covered in body hair, probably very few people would've had a problem with his being executed.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on May 24, 2021 2:03:59 GMT
It’s more than just looks. Ed Gein could have been mistaken for a kooky old geezer. Charles Manson, just another hippie. It’s their every day activities. Gacy got his picture taken with Roselyn Carter. Dennis Rader was a big shot in his church. It’s rare to hear someone say “I always wondered about him...”
Might be, but I think we can all agree, it's hard to deny the public has a bias with what they deem 'good looking people'. Hell even back in the 70s on Andy Griffith, Aunt Bee said 'sure you can tell on TV who the bad guy is, they make them ugly with scars and tattoos, then it's obvious'. Same thing today. If Ted Bundy was a 300 pound guy covered in body hair, probably very few people would've had a problem with his being executed.
True. No one had a problem giving Gacy the needle. I always wondered how much of a “celebrity “ he would have been if he had never taken that creepy clown photo. I read that Albert Fish jury really thought he was insane but they wanted him to fry anyway. Wouldn’t happen today
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Post by amyghost on May 24, 2021 2:05:24 GMT
I'd say these two are not only the 'darkest' serial killers in terms of pigmentation, they're the darkest in terms of how vicious they were: Ricky Javon Gray and Ray Joseph Dandridge Some police departments throughout the US believe that they have still unsolved murders on their books that were likely committed by this pair--it's possible that they may have been responsible for at least three hundred murders during their time at large. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Richmond_spree_murders
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Post by phantomparticle on May 24, 2021 2:05:47 GMT
Jack the Ripper
All of your other choices have names and a personal history.
The Ripper remains an enigma despite 130 years of speculation, documentaries, books and moving pictures about his crimes.
You can't get any darker than that.
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Post by clusium on May 24, 2021 3:11:28 GMT
Clifford Olson is another evil monster that never gets on these lists either. Actually, we just had the conviction of a serial killer, right here in the Greater Toronto Area. The SOB is in his 60s too. He was convicted of the murder 8 gay men, mostly of Middle Eastern & South Asian descent. Bruce McArthurYeah seen some about him in the news. We get a lot of news from Toronto, being just across the border. I still can’t believe Karla Homolka is a free woman. I still can't believe she actually got remarried & is a mother!!!!
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on May 24, 2021 3:39:58 GMT
Jack the Ripper All of your other choices have names and a personal history. The Ripper remains an enigma despite 130 years of speculation, documentaries, books and moving pictures about his crimes. You can't get any darker than that. As well as the Zodiac Killer. He toyed with the police with letters. And there’s no real idea who he was
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Post by novastar6 on May 24, 2021 4:12:17 GMT
Might be, but I think we can all agree, it's hard to deny the public has a bias with what they deem 'good looking people'. Hell even back in the 70s on Andy Griffith, Aunt Bee said 'sure you can tell on TV who the bad guy is, they make them ugly with scars and tattoos, then it's obvious'. Same thing today. If Ted Bundy was a 300 pound guy covered in body hair, probably very few people would've had a problem with his being executed.
True. No one had a problem giving Gacy the needle. I always wondered how much of a “celebrity “ he would have been if he had never taken that creepy clown photo. I read that Albert Fish jury really thought he was insane but they wanted him to fry anyway. Wouldn’t happen today
Unless they could all agree to keep the 'insane' part to themselves.
Nobody would want me on a jury. Having read John Douglas's books I know there's a difference in how we throw around terms 'crazy' and 'insane', and the actual legal definition of insane, and I'll always go with that. He may have acted insane but he knew to conceal his actions for a good long while, he never made the mistake of doing anything in public for a crowd to see. There's insane, and there's just plain evil.
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Post by novastar6 on Jun 3, 2021 4:38:23 GMT
The letter Albert Fish sent to the mother of one of his child victims is just about the most evil thing I've ever read.
What he did to those kids, Katherine Knight in Australia did to her boyfriend because he refused to marry her, then left the stew out for his daughters to find. Even though that case isn't anywhere as well known as Albert Fish, it kind of begs the question is his worse because he targeted children, or because he did it more than once, and she 'only' did it one time, after a lifetime of trying to kill her boyfriends through other means of stabbing, strangling, etc?
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Jun 3, 2021 4:47:53 GMT
Possibly Jeffrey Dahmer but Albert Fish is pretty bad.
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Post by novastar6 on Jun 3, 2021 4:50:50 GMT
Wikipedia also says that Aileen Wuornos was a serial killer. But, wasn't she more like a spree killer?  I honestly question if Aileen really fits the serial killer mold. Mostly because she was not a sadist. She derived no sick pleasure from her killings. She did not torture her victims. She shot them point blank and then she robbed them. Nothing else. Personally I think Aileen saw the world as a frightening place and was just on hyper alert. Taking her childhood into account, it is very easy to understand her crimes. Aileen is the only one on this list I think could have been rehabilitated. In her interviews there are moments when her interviewer Nick shows her a bit of kindness and she lights up. It is heartwrenching to watch. Aileen wasn't crazy or evil and she wasn't a monster. She was scared and she was angry. But I think she fits on this list simply because it goes to show how somebody who might have had a chance in life can go all wrong if they are that much hurt. Which Aileen certainly was. RIP, sweet Aileen
She does fit the serial killer mold because she went out and killed several people over an entire year. She doesn't have to derive sick pleasure from her killings, and the truth is we don't know that she didn't, but other women have killed multiple victims for financial gain, gone on shopping sprees with their victims' cash and credit cards.
A lot of people have very shitty childhoods, for some reason we tend to excuse it more when it's a woman than a man. Katherine Knight reportedly watched her dad rape her mom 10 times a day, said multiple members of her family sexually abused her until she was 11, and threw herself into dysfunctional relationships with alcoholics, etc. But I don't know of anybody who feels sympathy for her or feels in any way that excuses or even explains why she stabbed her boyfriend 37 times, skinned his entire body and dry it on a meat hook, cut his head off, cut off parts of his ass, cooked it up and put it in a stew for his children.
Now I know we've all had discussions about the death penalty on this board, and I know Australia does not have it, but I'd think even the most anti-capital punishment people wouldn't lose any sleep if this sick bitch got fried in the electric chair.
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Post by dirtypillows on Jun 4, 2021 9:39:37 GMT
I honestly question if Aileen really fits the serial killer mold. Mostly because she was not a sadist. She derived no sick pleasure from her killings. She did not torture her victims. She shot them point blank and then she robbed them. Nothing else. Personally I think Aileen saw the world as a frightening place and was just on hyper alert. Taking her childhood into account, it is very easy to understand her crimes. Aileen is the only one on this list I think could have been rehabilitated. In her interviews there are moments when her interviewer Nick shows her a bit of kindness and she lights up. It is heartwrenching to watch. Aileen wasn't crazy or evil and she wasn't a monster. She was scared and she was angry. But I think she fits on this list simply because it goes to show how somebody who might have had a chance in life can go all wrong if they are that much hurt. Which Aileen certainly was. RIP, sweet Aileen
She does fit the serial killer mold because she went out and killed several people over an entire year. She doesn't have to derive sick pleasure from her killings, and the truth is we don't know that she didn't, but other women have killed multiple victims for financial gain, gone on shopping sprees with their victims' cash and credit cards.
A lot of people have very shitty childhoods, for some reason we tend to excuse it more when it's a woman than a man. Katherine Knight reportedly watched her dad rape her mom 10 times a day, said multiple members of her family sexually abused her until she was 11, and threw herself into dysfunctional relationships with alcoholics, etc. But I don't know of anybody who feels sympathy for her or feels in any way that excuses or even explains why she stabbed her boyfriend 37 times, skinned his entire body and dry it on a meat hook, cut his head off, cut off parts of his ass, cooked it up and put it in a stew for his children.
Now I know we've all had discussions about the death penalty on this board, and I know Australia does not have it, but I'd think even the most anti-capital punishment people wouldn't lose any sleep if this sick bitch got fried in the electric chair.
For whatever reason, I find Aileen Wournos sympathetic. I've always liked her. And it has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that she is female. My thinking is more along the lines of an animal can be abused for only so long, so don't be surprised when the animal begins to lash out. If you look at it this way, it makes perfect sense. Aileen was all alone in the world, she had nobody on her side, no allies, nobody to steer her in the right direction. I think she saw the world as a dark, scary place with no safety clause and she was killing the people who had hurt her, i.e., men. I do think if she hadn't been caught, she would have killed more men, but I also feel that behind bars, Aileen could have benefited from rehabilitation and from basic human kindness. I do find her cases as her being more a spree killer as opposed to a serial killer. No sure what the min differences are. In the interviews, you can see the kindness and the longing for affection in her eyes. That's a very big reason why we are here as a human species. We look out for each other and we try to help and those who have more - more money, more resources, more education, better mental health, etc. have some kind of duty to not turn away when a 9 year old girl in the community is known to be selling her body and performing sexual favors to neighborhood boys in exchange for cigarettes. How could a group of adults behave in such a manner?!?! THEY are the ones who should be in jail! In cases like this, society is grossly negligent and, therefore, responsible and a 9 year girl was failed at every level. And this profound lack of love or even the most basic of care was denied to and she must have internalized this hate, this apathy. If nobody cares about teenage Aileen, then really why should she care about anybody else, Nobody has deemed her worthy enough to get the girl some help. 14 and pregnant and living in a car in the woods during a brutal Michigan winter?!? It's really like she is doomed from the start. And to think that she might just one day turn herself around is unrealistic in the extreme. Aileen responded in kind. She fought back, she shot and killed seven men, and she robbed her victims. I do not think she killed from any sadistic glee. She never showed any of these signs. She never tortured any of her victims,(let alone torturing any snall animals!) she shot them point blank. When she says she is full of hate, I think she is coming from the only place she has ever known. And then try to walk 1,000 miles in her shoes before you judge her. Of course, that might prove to be too frightening and confusing for most people to do that. Nobody would ever want Aileen's life. She was an embarrassment to the community and the community would have just assumed she go away forever.. Society showed its worst, most despicable impulses and ultimately they railroaded her. Get rid of her of and have her done away with so we can feel better about yourselves and move on. Aileen Wournos is the only killer (male or female) whom I heel such sympathy towards. She was the ultimate scapegoat for society's ills and I think she should be considered a martyr. That's all.  R.I.P., Sweet Aileen
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Post by Sophiefoxx on Jun 5, 2021 4:15:55 GMT
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