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Post by dirtypillows on May 21, 2021 21:06:29 GMT
I picked Albert Fish and Elizabeth Bathory, with JWG being a runner up in the creep department.
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Post by moviemouth on May 21, 2021 21:41:14 GMT
I had never even heard of Elizabeth Bathory, but reading about her she has to be the darkest. It is hard to disagree with John Wayne Gacy and Albert Fish as the second and third most disturbing. Pedro López deserves an mention too. Besides the killings themselves Ted Bundy isn't all that creepy.
Báthory has been labeled by Guinness World Records as the most prolific female murderer, though the number of her victims is debated.[2] Báthory and four collaborators were accused of torturing and killing hundreds of girls and women between 1590 and 1610.[3] The highest number of victims cited during Báthory's trial was 650 but this number comes from the claim by a servant girl named Susannah that Jakab Szilvássy, Báthory's court official, had seen the figure in one of Báthory's private books. The book was never revealed and Szilvássy never mentioned it in his testimony.[4] Despite the evidence against Báthory, her family's importance protected her from a death sentence. She was imprisoned in December 1610 within Castle of Csejte, in Upper Hungary (now Slovakia).
The stories of Báthory's sadistic serial murders are verified by the testimony of more than 300 witnesses and survivors as well as physical evidence and the presence of horribly mutilated dead, dying and imprisoned girls found at the time of her arrest.[5] Stories describing Báthory's vampiric tendencies, such as the tale that she bathed in the blood of virgins to retain her youth, were generally recorded years after her death, and are considered unreliable. Her story quickly became part of national folklore, and her infamy persists to this day.[6] Some insist she inspired Bram Stoker's Dracula (1897),[7] though there is no evidence to support this hypothesis.[8] Nicknames and literary epithets attributed to her include The Blood Countess and Countess Dracula.
Not sure why there aren't any good movies about her. There is one called Bathory: Countess of Blood from 2008, but not very well reviewed.
Then there is The Countess (2009) starring Julie Delpy, William Hurt and Daniel Bruhl. This one isn't well rated either.
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Post by politicidal on May 21, 2021 21:57:18 GMT
From this list, I picked Albert Fish, Jeffrey Dahmer, and Elizabeth Bathory. Gilles de Rais was pretty despicable as well.
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Post by Stammerhead on May 21, 2021 22:02:43 GMT
I had never even heard of Elizabeth Bathory, but reading about her she has to be the darkest. Báthory has been labeled by Guinness World Records as the most prolific female murderer, though the number of her victims is debated.[2] Báthory and four collaborators were accused of torturing and killing hundreds of girls and women between 1590 and 1610.[3] The highest number of victims cited during Báthory's trial was 650 but this number comes from the claim by a servant girl named Susannah that Jakab Szilvássy, Báthory's court official, had seen the figure in one of Báthory's private books. The book was never revealed and Szilvássy never mentioned it in his testimony.[4] Despite the evidence against Báthory, her family's importance protected her from a death sentence. She was imprisoned in December 1610 within Castle of Csejte, in Upper Hungary (now Slovakia). The stories of Báthory's sadistic serial murders are verified by the testimony of more than 300 witnesses and survivors as well as physical evidence and the presence of horribly mutilated dead, dying and imprisoned girls found at the time of her arrest.[5] Stories describing Báthory's vampiric tendencies, such as the tale that she bathed in the blood of virgins to retain her youth, were generally recorded years after her death, and are considered unreliable. Her story quickly became part of national folklore, and her infamy persists to this day.[6] Some insist she inspired Bram Stoker's Dracula (1897),[7] though there is no evidence to support this hypothesis.[8] Nicknames and literary epithets attributed to her include The Blood Countess and Countess Dracula. Not sure why there aren't any good movies about her. There is one called Bathory: Countess of Blood from 2008, but not very well reviewed. Then there is The Countess (2009) starring Julie Delpy, William Hurt and Daniel Bruhl. This one isn't well rated either. There’s also the 1970s Hammer film titled Countess Dracula which, while based on Elizabeth Bathory, adds the plot detail of bathing in the blood of virgins to attain eternal youth. It’s bonkers in the usual Hammer Horror way. 
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Post by moviemouth on May 21, 2021 22:10:22 GMT
From this list, I picked Albert Fish, Jeffrey Dahmer, and Elizabeth Bathory. Gilles de Rais was pretty despicable as well. Gilles de Rais is another one I hadn't heard of. All these old timey serial killers are interesting and the fact that they happened before the 1800's makes them creepier.
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Post by moviemouth on May 21, 2021 22:12:06 GMT
I had never even heard of Elizabeth Bathory, but reading about her she has to be the darkest. Báthory has been labeled by Guinness World Records as the most prolific female murderer, though the number of her victims is debated.[2] Báthory and four collaborators were accused of torturing and killing hundreds of girls and women between 1590 and 1610.[3] The highest number of victims cited during Báthory's trial was 650 but this number comes from the claim by a servant girl named Susannah that Jakab Szilvássy, Báthory's court official, had seen the figure in one of Báthory's private books. The book was never revealed and Szilvássy never mentioned it in his testimony.[4] Despite the evidence against Báthory, her family's importance protected her from a death sentence. She was imprisoned in December 1610 within Castle of Csejte, in Upper Hungary (now Slovakia). The stories of Báthory's sadistic serial murders are verified by the testimony of more than 300 witnesses and survivors as well as physical evidence and the presence of horribly mutilated dead, dying and imprisoned girls found at the time of her arrest.[5] Stories describing Báthory's vampiric tendencies, such as the tale that she bathed in the blood of virgins to retain her youth, were generally recorded years after her death, and are considered unreliable. Her story quickly became part of national folklore, and her infamy persists to this day.[6] Some insist she inspired Bram Stoker's Dracula (1897),[7] though there is no evidence to support this hypothesis.[8] Nicknames and literary epithets attributed to her include The Blood Countess and Countess Dracula. Not sure why there aren't any good movies about her. There is one called Bathory: Countess of Blood from 2008, but not very well reviewed. Then there is The Countess (2009) starring Julie Delpy, William Hurt and Daniel Bruhl. This one isn't well rated either. There’s also the 1970s Hammer film titled Countess Dracula which, while based on Elizabeth Bathory, adds the plot detail of bathing in the blood of virgins to attain eternal youth. It’s bonkers in the usual Hammer Horror way. That isn't the kind of movie I am talking about. Why can't we get a Zodiac level quality movie for her? That is what I want to see.
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Post by ant-mac on May 21, 2021 22:20:03 GMT
Jack the Ripper.
Albert Fish.
Herman Webster Mudgett, better known as Doctor Henry Howard Holmes or HH Holmes, was an American serial killer active from December 1891 to November 1894.
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Post by moviemouth on May 21, 2021 22:25:40 GMT
I live in Wisconsin. "Welcome to Wisconsin - We Eat People." That was a joke about what the state moto should be.
Anyway, we had neighbors (a very religious family too) and the husband was raised in the town where Ed Gein lived and he had relatives who went fishing with Ed Gein's brother, supposedly.
This one is a fact - My Mom had an uncle (he is long dead now) who worked at Mendota Mental Health Institution, ward for the criminally insane when Ed Gein was incarcerated there.
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Post by dirtypillows on May 21, 2021 22:29:26 GMT
I had never even heard of Elizabeth Bathory, but reading about her she has to be the darkest. It is hard to disagree with John Wayne Gacy and Albert Fish as the second and third most disturbing. Pedro López deserves an mention too. Besides the killings themselves Ted Bundy isn't all that creepy. Báthory has been labeled by Guinness World Records as the most prolific female murderer, though the number of her victims is debated.[2] Báthory and four collaborators were accused of torturing and killing hundreds of girls and women between 1590 and 1610.[3] The highest number of victims cited during Báthory's trial was 650 but this number comes from the claim by a servant girl named Susannah that Jakab Szilvássy, Báthory's court official, had seen the figure in one of Báthory's private books. The book was never revealed and Szilvássy never mentioned it in his testimony.[4] Despite the evidence against Báthory, her family's importance protected her from a death sentence. She was imprisoned in December 1610 within Castle of Csejte, in Upper Hungary (now Slovakia). The stories of Báthory's sadistic serial murders are verified by the testimony of more than 300 witnesses and survivors as well as physical evidence and the presence of horribly mutilated dead, dying and imprisoned girls found at the time of her arrest.[5] Stories describing Báthory's vampiric tendencies, such as the tale that she bathed in the blood of virgins to retain her youth, were generally recorded years after her death, and are considered unreliable. Her story quickly became part of national folklore, and her infamy persists to this day.[6] Some insist she inspired Bram Stoker's Dracula (1897),[7] though there is no evidence to support this hypothesis.[8] Nicknames and literary epithets attributed to her include The Blood Countess and Countess Dracula. Not sure why there aren't any good movies about her. There is one called Bathory: Countess of Blood from 2008, but not very well reviewed. Then there is The Countess (2009) starring Julie Delpy, William Hurt and Daniel Bruhl. This one isn't well rated either. For some reason, considering the magnitude and high sensationailsm of her murders, Elizabeth Bathory is not all that well known. For me the reason why she is perhaps the darkest of these dark, profoundly disturbed individuals is the cold-blooded nature of her crimes. Bathing in virgin blood. Yikes! But I had never heard of her until I saw the movie Hostel 2. The scene where Heather Matarazzo gets hung upside down and all the rest... Terrible movie, but brutally effective. Eli Roth must be one sick puppy. But Albert Fish takes the cake for me. Those dead eyes are too much.
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Post by moviemouth on May 21, 2021 22:33:44 GMT
I had never even heard of Elizabeth Bathory, but reading about her she has to be the darkest. It is hard to disagree with John Wayne Gacy and Albert Fish as the second and third most disturbing. Pedro López deserves an mention too. Besides the killings themselves Ted Bundy isn't all that creepy. Báthory has been labeled by Guinness World Records as the most prolific female murderer, though the number of her victims is debated.[2] Báthory and four collaborators were accused of torturing and killing hundreds of girls and women between 1590 and 1610.[3] The highest number of victims cited during Báthory's trial was 650 but this number comes from the claim by a servant girl named Susannah that Jakab Szilvássy, Báthory's court official, had seen the figure in one of Báthory's private books. The book was never revealed and Szilvássy never mentioned it in his testimony.[4] Despite the evidence against Báthory, her family's importance protected her from a death sentence. She was imprisoned in December 1610 within Castle of Csejte, in Upper Hungary (now Slovakia). The stories of Báthory's sadistic serial murders are verified by the testimony of more than 300 witnesses and survivors as well as physical evidence and the presence of horribly mutilated dead, dying and imprisoned girls found at the time of her arrest.[5] Stories describing Báthory's vampiric tendencies, such as the tale that she bathed in the blood of virgins to retain her youth, were generally recorded years after her death, and are considered unreliable. Her story quickly became part of national folklore, and her infamy persists to this day.[6] Some insist she inspired Bram Stoker's Dracula (1897),[7] though there is no evidence to support this hypothesis.[8] Nicknames and literary epithets attributed to her include The Blood Countess and Countess Dracula. Not sure why there aren't any good movies about her. There is one called Bathory: Countess of Blood from 2008, but not very well reviewed. Then there is The Countess (2009) starring Julie Delpy, William Hurt and Daniel Bruhl. This one isn't well rated either. For some reason, considering the magnitude and high sensationailsm of her murders, Elizabeth Bathory is not all that well known. For me the reason why she is perhaps the darkest of these dark, profoundly disturbed individuals is the cold-blooded nature of her crimes. Bathing in virgin blood. Yikes! But I had never heard of her until I saw the movie Hostel 2. The scene where Heather Matarazzo gets hung upside down and all the rest... Terrible movie, but brutally effective. Eli Roth must be one sick puppy. But Albert Fish takes the cake for me. Those dead eyes are too much. The sheer number of victims and that she was a Countess in the 1600s who bathed in bloods and brutally tortured them is why she is my choice. Albert Fish is very creepy too though. His nicknames are very creepy. The Gray Man is the creepiest nickname of any serial killer imo. There was actually a bad crime thriller based on him called The Gray Man.
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Post by politicidal on May 21, 2021 22:35:02 GMT
Jack the Ripper. Albert Fish. Herman Webster Mudgett, better known as Doctor Henry Howard Holmes or HH Holmes, was an American serial killer active from December 1891 to November 1894.Great choice! DiCaprio is actually making a movie about him. Ever read the book The Devil in the White City? It's all about his crimes he committed against the backdrop of the Chicago World's Fair in 1893.
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Post by moviemouth on May 21, 2021 22:38:34 GMT
Jack the Ripper. Albert Fish. Herman Webster Mudgett, better known as Doctor Henry Howard Holmes or HH Holmes, was an American serial killer active from December 1891 to November 1894.Great choice! DiCaprio is actually making a movie about him. Ever read the book The Devil in the White City? It's all about his crimes he committed against the backdrop of the Chicago World's Fair in 1893. It is actually credited as a TV series, but I have my doubts a TV series or a movie will be made. It has been "announced" on IMDB for a couple years now.
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Post by politicidal on May 21, 2021 22:39:50 GMT
Great choice! DiCaprio is actually making a movie about him. Ever read the book The Devil in the White City? It's all about his crimes he committed against the backdrop of the Chicago World's Fair in 1893. It is actually credited as a TV series, but I have my doubts a TV series or a movie will be made. It has been "announced" on IMDB for a couple years now. I wonder if it may be on the backburner because of that Killers of the Flower Moon adaptation.
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Post by moviemouth on May 21, 2021 22:43:51 GMT
It is actually credited as a TV series, but I have my doubts a TV series or a movie will be made. It has been "announced" on IMDB for a couple years now. I wonder if it may be on the backburner because of that Killers of the Flower Moon adaptation. I don't know. I don't tend to trust that a movie will actually be made until we start getting serious casting announcements and stuff. Leonardo DiCaprio and Martin Scorsese also have that Teddy Roosevelt movie under their names and that has been there since Silence. I think a mini-series would be perfect for H.H. Holmes. I think that is probably what they are aiming for.
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Post by ant-mac on May 21, 2021 22:43:53 GMT
Jack the Ripper. Albert Fish. Herman Webster Mudgett, better known as Doctor Henry Howard Holmes or HH Holmes, was an American serial killer active from December 1891 to November 1894.Great choice! DiCaprio is actually making a movie about him. Ever read the book The Devil in the White City? It's all about his crimes he committed against the backdrop of the Chicago World's Fair in 1893. Excellent, I look forward to seeing it when released.  I haven't read that specific book, but I have done some reading on him and several other serial killers from around the globe. However, I might contact my local library to see if I can get hold of a copy.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 21, 2021 23:09:32 GMT
The letter Albert Fish sent to the mother of one of his child victims is just about the most evil thing I've ever read.
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Post by clusium on May 21, 2021 23:53:09 GMT
I can think of a few other serial killers, that are not included here.
Paul Bernardo & Karla Homolka certainly come to mind.
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Post by dirtypillows on May 21, 2021 23:54:20 GMT
The letter Albert Fish sent to the mother of one of his child victims is just about the most evil thing I've ever read. Yes. This is much of what I am referring to when I picked AF as the worst of the worst. And just adding to the sheer awfulness of the tragedy was that young victim Grace Budd's brother had to read the letter to the parents as they were illiterate. I don't know if this is true or not, but it's what I read so I will assume that it's not an embellishment. Brrrrr.... |
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Post by moviemouth on May 22, 2021 3:57:44 GMT
The letter Albert Fish sent to the mother of one of his child victims is just about the most evil thing I've ever read. I see it differently. I would would have been glad to receive that letter if I was the parent, if only to know that he didn't rape her first and that she was strangled and not butchered to death. That letter could have been a lot crueler, but it is really just a confession to the mother. He does add some unnecessary stuff in there, but it is more or less just telling the story of what happened. However, I can't speak to what his actual motive for sending the letter was. I have never had much of an issue with what happens after someone is already dead.
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Post by dirtypillows on May 22, 2021 4:43:07 GMT
The letter Albert Fish sent to the mother of one of his child victims is just about the most evil thing I've ever read. I see it differently. I would would have been glad to receive that letter if I was the parent, if only to know that he didn't rape her first and that she was strangled and not butchered to death. That letter could have been a lot crueler, but it is really just a confession to the mother. He does add some unnecessary stuff in there, but it is more or less just telling the story of what happened. However, I can't speak to what his actual motive for sending the letter was. I have never had much of an issue with what happens after someone is already dead. I don't know. Fish talked about frying up the girl's buttocks with some onions and carrots and how good she tasted. I don't think that is going to bring peace of mind to any parent.
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