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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2021 3:44:31 GMT
Interesting, I would’ve thought conservative based on that Ayn Rand project. Especially since there’s a bit of Randian weirdness in MoS. Ayn Rand would’ve loved Pa Kent’s little speech about letting the bus sink. Of course, Zach didn’t write the script so it’s unfair to lay that crap on him.
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Post by thisguy4000 on May 26, 2021 18:08:14 GMT
Interesting, I would’ve thought conservative based on that Ayn Rand project. Especially since there’s a bit of Randian weirdness in MoS. Ayn Rand would’ve loved Pa Kent’s little speech about letting the bus sink. Of course, Zach didn’t write the script so it’s unfair to lay that crap on him. I never understood this idea that Snyder’s Superman is some kind of objectivist protagonist. He’s shown going out of his way to save people all the time. BvS even ends with him sacrificing his life to save the world. Just because Jonathan tells him to avoid revealing himself to the world (which he doesn’t even obey), doesn’t mean the character embodies Randian selfishness. Jor-El explicitly tells Clark that he should guide humanity so they don’t make the same mistakes Krypton made. Besides, Jonathan’s reason for wanting Clark to keep himself a secret isn’t because he thinks Clark shouldn’t bother saving people. It’s because he believes the world isn’t ready and that they would reject his son if they found out what he could do. Granted, that idea is fairly muddled within the film, but none of Snyder’s DC movies ever suggest that Superman shouldn’t bother saving people. If that was what they were trying to suggest, they wouldn’t have given us so much heavy handed Christ imagery, especially when Ayn Rand was anti-religion. If anything, Lex Luthor is a better example of an objectivist character. The funny thing is that to the best of my knowledge, people didn’t even start calling MoS an objectivist movie until 2016, when Snyder said that he wanted to make a movie based on The Fountainhead.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 29, 2021 20:08:30 GMT
A person who works in Hollywood leans left politically, also...Water is wet.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 29, 2021 22:32:51 GMT
A person who works in Hollywood leans left politically, also...Water is wet. I don't know, the right-wing side of the geek community tried really hard to claim him which was a big part of why The Snyder Cut took off. Even after he got on Geeks + Gamers and accused them of murdering Asian people, they were coping hard saying WB had a gun to his head or something. Now that Zack hass finally got his version out and doesn't need right-wing support, dude is talking about turning the 300 series into Brokeback Mountain and shit. If I were a conservative, I'd be feeling pretty cucked right now.
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Post by thisguy4000 on May 30, 2021 0:23:15 GMT
I think a large part of why a number of conservative/anti-SJW people tried to claim Snyder as one of their own is for the same reason that they celebrated a movie like Joker. Certain left wing people tried to claim that Snyder’s movies are problematic and right wing propaganda, and since Snyder traditionally hasn’t been as open about his politics as someone like Joss Whedon, people just assumed that must have meant that he is a conservative. The fact that he said he wanted to do an adaptation of The Fountainhead, probably added fuel to this idea, even though Brie Larson is also a fan of that book, and Snyder has even said that he doesn’t view it as a political story.
It might be worth pointing out that 300, which has always been seen as the biggest example of how problematic and reactionary Snyder’s movies are, is actually told through the perspective of a Spartan general who’s trying to rally up a bunch of troops. When you factor that in with how over the top and fantastical the movie is, it can easily be argued that it’s actually meant to be seen as outrageous propaganda that’s not supposed to be taken at face value. I don’t know for sure if that’s what Snyder was going with, but I’ve seen other people who have made that argument in recent years, and considering what Snyder has recently shared about his politics and beliefs, I’m inclined to believe there’s some truth to that.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 30, 2021 1:13:44 GMT
A person who works in Hollywood leans left politically, also...Water is wet. I don't know, the right-wing side of the geek community tried really hard to claim him which was a big part of why The Snyder Cut took off. Even after he got on Geeks + Gamers and accused them of murdering Asian people, they were coping hard saying WB had a gun to his head or something. Now that Zack hass finally got his version out and doesn't need right-wing support, dude is talking about turning the 300 series into Brokeback Mountain and shit. If I were a conservative, I'd be feeling pretty cucked right now. Uhhhhhh...Even if he was throwing them under the bus I think saying he was accusing them of murder is taking it a whole different stratosphere. And If I recall correctly he came on there in the first place because of Uche and had several amicable conversations with Jeremy before that live stream. As for right-wing side of the geek community trying to 'claim' him, there are plenty of right leaning geeks who dislike Zack Snyder's work and treatment of DC, also please take note that there are leftists and independents on Geeks + Gamers.
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Post by pennypacker on May 30, 2021 1:21:27 GMT
As an aide, I never understood why Joker (both the character and the movie) are associated with the far right.
Or why he’s associated with incels.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 30, 2021 1:32:38 GMT
I don't know, the right-wing side of the geek community tried really hard to claim him which was a big part of why The Snyder Cut took off. Even after he got on Geeks + Gamers and accused them of murdering Asian people, they were coping hard saying WB had a gun to his head or something. Now that Zack hass finally got his version out and doesn't need right-wing support, dude is talking about turning the 300 series into Brokeback Mountain and shit. If I were a conservative, I'd be feeling pretty cucked right now. Uhhhhhh...Even if he was throwing them under the bus I think saying he was accusing them of murder is taking it a whole different stratosphere. And If I recall correctly he came on there in the first place because of Uche and had several amicable conversations with Jeremy before that live stream. As for right-wing side of the geek community trying to 'claim' him, there are plenty of right leaning geeks who dislike Zack Snyder's work and treatment of DC, also please take note that there are leftists and independents on Geeks + Gamers. Well, the whole channel is a grift to cash in on the stupidity and hatred of the internet, so the politics they claim are kinda meaningless. As for Snyder fans who actually have genuine opinions, I think many would have bailed on TSC movement if they knew he wanted to make 300 3 so woke and gay, but of course there are exceptions to everything.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 30, 2021 1:38:22 GMT
As an aide, I never understood why Joker (both the character and the movie) are associated with the far right. Or why he’s associated with incels. The far left don't think straight white men have any actual problems and anything that says they do is dangerous. The far right like anything the far left hate. For a moment Joker was associated with the left because he burned money in that one scene and the far right thought centrist president Obama was a socialist and that's what socialists do. The film Joker is the only actual socialist take on the character, but everyone is too buried in identity politics to notice.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 30, 2021 1:43:10 GMT
Uhhhhhh...Even if he was throwing them under the bus I think saying he was accusing them of murder is taking it a whole different stratosphere. And If I recall correctly he came on there in the first place because of Uche and had several amicable conversations with Jeremy before that live stream. As for right-wing side of the geek community trying to 'claim' him, there are plenty of right leaning geeks who dislike Zack Snyder's work and treatment of DC, also please take note that there are leftists and independents on Geeks + Gamers. Well, the whole channel is a grift to cash in on the stupidity and hatred of the internet, so the politics they claim are kinda meaningless. As for Snyder fans who actually have genuine opinions, I think many would have bailed on TSC movement if they knew he wanted to make 300 3 so woke and gay, but of course there are exceptions to everything. Based on the defenses you've made for The Last Jedi I think it would be appropriate to assume the majority of your negative feelings towards Geeks + Gamers is rooted in their numerous videos denouncing the film and its creators, primarily of Rian Johnson. You mean their politics were meaningless at the exact moment I made mention that the channel is not made up of entirely right leaning types? But you've paraded the presence that mostly right-wing types were trying to claim Snyder as one of their own as The Snyder Cut movement gained traction and appear to have taken great glee with their comments on the live stream in discussion. I do not think many of Zack Snyder's fans would have bailed if he wanted to make 300 'woke', what could had been is not the same as what it is so they can still very much enjoy the film and show their support.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 30, 2021 1:45:17 GMT
Well, the whole channel is a grift to cash in on the stupidity and hatred of the internet, so the politics they claim are kinda meaningless. As for Snyder fans who actually have genuine opinions, I think many would have bailed on TSC movement if they knew he wanted to make 300 3 so woke and gay, but of course there are exceptions to everything. Based on the defenses you've made for The Last Jedi I think it would be appropriate to assume the majority of your negative feelings towards Geeks + Gamers is rooted in their numerous videos denouncing the film and its creators, primarily of Rian Johnson. You mean their politics were meaningless at the exact moment I made mention that the channel is not made up of entirely right leaning types? But you've paraded the presence that mostly right-wing types were trying to claim Snyder as one of their own as The Snyder Cut movement gained traction and appear to have taken great glee with their comments on the live stream in discussion. I do not think many of Zack Snyder's fans would have bailed if he wanted to make 300 'woke', what could had been is not the same as what it is so they can still very much enjoy the film and show their support.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 30, 2021 1:53:35 GMT
Based on the defenses you've made for The Last Jedi I think it would be appropriate to assume the majority of your negative feelings towards Geeks + Gamers is rooted in their numerous videos denouncing the film and its creators, primarily of Rian Johnson. You mean their politics were meaningless at the exact moment I made mention that the channel is not made up of entirely right leaning types? But you've paraded the presence that mostly right-wing types were trying to claim Snyder as one of their own as The Snyder Cut movement gained traction and appear to have taken great glee with their comments on the live stream in discussion. I do not think many of Zack Snyder's fans would have bailed if he wanted to make 300 'woke', what could had been is not the same as what it is so they can still very much enjoy the film and show their support. Yes, he did give it a good review initially, he admitted that he got swept into the hype and their opinion changed as time carried on, it happens to everyone. As movie fans we have all had at least one movie we really liked on first viewing but in time our attitudes changed about it.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 30, 2021 1:59:56 GMT
Yes, he did give it a good review initially, he admitted that he got swept into the hype and their opinion changed as time carried on, it happens to everyone. As movie fans we have all had at least one movie we really liked on first viewing but in time our attitudes changed about it. I've never gone from loving a movie to making 100 videos about it being shit, but I guess if the money is right enough.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 30, 2021 2:06:25 GMT
Yes, he did give it a good review initially, he admitted that he got swept into the hype and their opinion changed as time carried on, it happens to everyone. As movie fans we have all had at least one movie we really liked on first viewing but in time our attitudes changed about it. I've never gone from loving a movie to making 100 videos about it being shit, but I guess if the money is right enough. I mean, its not that far off from someone expressed positive feelings once or twice and negative feelings 100 other times in the course of a few years.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 30, 2021 2:16:11 GMT
I've never gone from loving a movie to making 100 videos about it being shit, but I guess if the money is right enough. I mean, its not that far off from someone expressed positive feelings once or twice and negative feelings 100 other times in the course of a few years. It's even less far off from a businessman recognizing the market potential of something and cashing in.
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Post by thisguy4000 on May 30, 2021 2:58:07 GMT
To be blunt, most of these anti-SJW YouTube channels seem to be in that business largely for the clicks. Aside from Geeks + Gamers, The Quartering admitted that the reason he goes after Brie Larson a lot is because his audience loves that. That’s not to say that these people don’t genuinely lean to the right, but they probably don’t care about this stuff as much as their fans do.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on May 31, 2021 0:36:15 GMT
A person who works in Hollywood leans left politically, also...Water is wet. I don't know, the right-wing side of the geek community tried really hard to claim him which was a big part of why The Snyder Cut took off. Even after he got on Geeks + Gamers and accused them of murdering Asian people, they were coping hard saying WB had a gun to his head or something. Now that Zack hass finally got his version out and doesn't need right-wing support, dude is talking about turning the 300 series into Brokeback Mountain and shit. If I were a conservative, I'd be feeling pretty cucked right now. I had no idea about the Geeks + Gamers thing. Damn, my respect for Snyder just skyrocketed. Those people are literally pieces of s**t.
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Post by northernlad on Jun 4, 2021 1:17:19 GMT
A person who works in Hollywood leans left politically, also...Water is wet. Yeah this doesn't really shock me...
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 4, 2021 2:09:29 GMT
I don't know, the right-wing side of the geek community tried really hard to claim him which was a big part of why The Snyder Cut took off. Even after he got on Geeks + Gamers and accused them of murdering Asian people, they were coping hard saying WB had a gun to his head or something. Now that Zack hass finally got his version out and doesn't need right-wing support, dude is talking about turning the 300 series into Brokeback Mountain and shit. If I were a conservative, I'd be feeling pretty cucked right now. I had no idea about the Geeks + Gamers thing. Damn, my respect for Snyder just skyrocketed. Those people are literally pieces of s**t. Yet you talk about them a great deal whenever the opportunity presents itself and you give them views on their videos. Also those "literally pieces of s**t" raised a TON of money on suicide prevention and were at the time of the live stream near the top of the list of communities that was raising the most money for the charity, which is one of if not the sole reason why Zack Snyder said the organization was not associated with Geeks + Gamers offering separation. But go ahead and join moviebuffbrad in acting like the morally superior people in the world.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 4, 2021 2:11:12 GMT
I mean, its not that far off from someone expressed positive feelings once or twice and negative feelings 100 other times in the course of a few years. It's even less far off from a businessman recognizing the market potential of something and cashing in. Everyone is different. And honestly falsely claiming Zack Snyder accused them of having the same brand of hate of what had happened earlier that day is disgusting on your part - some of these people are married and have children.
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