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Post by moviemouth on May 24, 2021 2:51:00 GMT
I just finished it up, probably a 6/10 for me. The opening is good, then it gets pretty boring until the final half hour or so. Then it's a fun action movie. I've been criticizing Bautista as an actor recently, but I enjoyed his performance in this movie. I think he did a good job. Some big disagreements here that I find so curious that I have to point them out. The first parts where they are setting up the characters I find boring. The section that works most is from the point where they land in the zombie zone and then for the next 45 minutes it is fun. The final half hour is the most boring stuff in the movie to me. Dave Bautista certainly is no great actor, but so far I like him in every movie I have seen him in.
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Post by moviemouth on May 24, 2021 2:58:23 GMT
Here's the thing about Snyder. He always tries to make a great movie. He doesn't always make a great movie, but he always tries. Take Wonder Woman 1984 for example. In my opinion Patty made a movie, but she didn't try to make a great one. That's the difference between Snyder and a lot of other directors. Army of the dead is stylish, the cinematography is great, the casting is great, and the acting was great. It never rushes and it tries to hit all it's emotional cues naturally. All that said, the movie quickly devolves into just another average zombie flick. Like most Snyder movies, not everything works. The effects, while pretty good, are uninspired. Same with the script. Effort means something to me, and when I watch a Snyder movie I feel like I'm watching someone who is trying to make something great. That's more than I can say for most new releases I watch. I give Army of the Dead a respectable 7/10. All I care about is the end result. I don't agree that he tries to make great movies, but he tries to make entertaining movies. He simply lacks the talent. I will sometimes give him credit for trying, but I don't give credit for failing. Sucker Punch for example is absolute garbage imo, but I do think he was trying to make a good movie. He just failed to such an extent that it is almost laughable.
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Post by Marv on May 24, 2021 2:59:14 GMT
Fun mindless romp. I’ve seen some youtubers really picking it apart. I went in with no expectations and I had a fun time. I do wish it actually took more from Aliens tho as most of the characters are horribly underdeveloped. Actually...it’s possible the Alpha King Zombie was the most developed and emotional character now that I think about it.
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Post by moviemouth on May 24, 2021 3:01:15 GMT
Fun mindless romp. I’ve seen some youtubers really picking it apart. I went in with no expectations and I had a fun time. I do wish it actually took more from Aliens tho as most of the characters are horribly underdeveloped. Actually...it’s possible the Alpha King Zombie was the most developed and emotional character now that I think about it. I think Dave Bautista is the most developed character, but I agree that the zombie king is probably the second most developed. I still was unable to take anything about that character seriously though and that is the problem. The part where he takes out the zombie fetus I was rolling my eyes for more than one reason. It is such a lazy tack on. This is a movie you either are entertained by or you aren't and there is plenty to pick apart imo, especially in the writing areas. The best aspect is probably the basic concept and some of visual aspects of the movie. Many of his directing choices are cringe-inducing to me, which is nothing new when it comes to Zack Snyder.
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Post by Marv on May 24, 2021 3:08:18 GMT
Fun mindless romp. I’ve seen some youtubers really picking it apart. I went in with no expectations and I had a fun time. I do wish it actually took more from Aliens tho as most of the characters are horribly underdeveloped. Actually...it’s possible the Alpha King Zombie was the most developed and emotional character now that I think about it. I think Dave Bautista is the most developed character, but I agree that the zombie king is probably the second most developed. I still was unable to take anything about that character seriously though and that is the problem. The part where he takes out the zombie fetus I was rolling my eyes for more than one reason. It is such a lazy tack on. I actually don’t disagree with any of the criticisms about the film either. There’s a lot of stuff here that could’ve easily worked had just any inkling of time or effort be paid attention to it. It has the feel of someone writing the first half of the script thoroughly then taking a nap and waking up to realize the script is due in 10 minutes and just rushed to finish without paying off so many plot threads. Yea I didn’t think we needed the zombie fetus scene. It was obvious from the previous scene that the baby had died. |
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Post by moviemouth on May 24, 2021 3:30:14 GMT
I think Dave Bautista is the most developed character, but I agree that the zombie king is probably the second most developed. I still was unable to take anything about that character seriously though and that is the problem. The part where he takes out the zombie fetus I was rolling my eyes for more than one reason. It is such a lazy tack on. I actually don’t disagree with any of the criticisms about the film either. There’s a lot of stuff here that could’ve easily worked had just any inkling of time or effort be paid attention to it. It has the feel of someone writing the first half of the script thoroughly then taking a nap and waking up to realize the script is due in 10 minutes and just rushed to finish without paying off so many plot threads. Yea I didn’t think we needed the zombie fetus scene. It was obvious from the previous scene that the baby had died. That is a very good way to sum up the movie. I think the whole pregnant zombie stuff is beyond silly and adds this strange dramatic element to a movie that it doesn't fit in. How does a zombie fetus live, grow or die exactly? The logical contradiction of it is too much to take in. I don't even recall the movie even attempting to explain why these zombies are still intelligent and love and stuff like that. It would have maybe been interesting if the movie delved into that. Day of the Dead actually does sort of touch on the beginning process of this in way that actually works. In Army of the Dead it just feels like "wouldn't it be cool if we had zombies that were basically evil humans but zombies?" Does the movie explain how they are surviving? Usually zombies need human flesh/brains to eat on a regular basis or they will shut down, but here we see no other living human beings anywhere for them to feed on. This is a movie I dislike, but I can understand how people can find it entertaining and just run with it.
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Post by Downey on May 24, 2021 15:01:09 GMT
They put a deadly fearsome monster in a movable festival toilet box... Greenland knew how to portray soldiers effectively onscreen.
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Post by sostie on May 24, 2021 15:53:22 GMT
Snyder made a great superhero film, makes more and they are not so great
Snyder makes a great Zombie film, makes another and its not so great.
So the question is, will he try and make another film about Owls, a Homoerotic Sword & Sandal epic, or another Wank Fantasy about interpretive dance, and fail, or try something completely new
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Post by Popeye Doyle on May 24, 2021 16:02:57 GMT
Snyder made a great superhero film, makes more and they are not so great Snyder makes a great Zombie film, makes another and its not so great. So the question is, will he try and make another film about Owls, a Homoerotic Sword & Sandal epic, or another Wank Fantasy about interpretive dance, and fail, or try something completely new He was hoping to make a movie about Ayn Rand's The Fountainhead.
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Post by James on May 24, 2021 17:26:30 GMT
For what it is, I enjoyed it. I was kind of let down that there wasn't enough zombie animals like I was hoping for, but the zombies themselves were pretty unique and scary themselves. Of course it has its Snyderisms (slow mo and licensed melodramatic music) but I kind of expected that. 7/10
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Post by sostie on May 25, 2021 22:22:47 GMT
Snyder made a great superhero film, makes more and they are not so great Snyder makes a great Zombie film, makes another and its not so great. So the question is, will he try and make another film about Owls, a Homoerotic Sword & Sandal epic, or another Wank Fantasy about interpretive dance, and fail, or try something completely new He was hoping to make a movie about Ayn Rand's The Fountainhead. I wonder how much slo-mo and crappy cover versions he can fit into that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 0:44:51 GMT
It didn't really do it for me. As a Vegas local, there's so much that could have been done with the setting, but it was pretty much relegated to the opening credit sequence and the Sigfried and Roy tiger (what is this, 2002?)
Humor isn't really Snyder's strong suit, so it was troubling there was so much of it. Then you have all the Aliens stuff, and all I could think was "stop referencing better movies".
The only character I really liked was the butch pilot. And I guess the black guy and Anthony Michael Beer Hall Putsch grew on me.
As far as what's been discussed goes, I sympathized with Snyder focusing so much on the father/daughter plot...I mean, the daughter is a nonentity, but it had some weight for me purely because of the real world context. As for "Greeta", I found her offscreen fate amusing given saving her is the whole reason the daughter went. I guess it doesn't really matter, though. Anyone who survived the helicopter crash is gonna die of cancer in a week anyway.
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Post by Downey on Jun 6, 2021 1:19:05 GMT
It didn't really do it for me. As a Vegas local, there's so much that could have been done with the setting, but it was pretty much relegated to the opening credit sequence and the Sigfried and Roy tiger (what is this, 2002?) Humor isn't really Snyder's strong suit, so it was troubling there was so much of it. Then you have all the Aliens stuff, and all I could think was "stop referencing better movies". The only character I really liked was the butch pilot. And I guess the black guy and Anthony Michael Beer Hall Putsch grew on me. As far as what's been discussed goes, I sympathized with Snyder focusing so much on the father/daughter plot...I mean, the daughter is a nonentity, but it had some weight for me purely because of the real world context. As for "Greeta", I found her offscreen fate amusing given saving her is the whole reason the daughter went. I guess it doesn't really matter, though. Anyone who survived the helicopter crash is gonna die of cancer in a week anyway. The "butch" pilot had funny scenes but was an utter nonsensical retard by the end abandoning the team to then go back on an unstable helicopter and with a zombie demon on the loose. She wasn't that funny for me to have given her a pass on such reckless cretinism from her. I also hated the daughter character... No friend is worth going back for to save in a zombie apocalypse. |
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Post by Morgana on Jun 7, 2021 8:57:17 GMT
Bautista can't act but I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt in the role of action hero, but as soon as the daughter joined the group I knew I wasn't going to like the rest of the film. I gave up when they were in Vegas and the girl got lost and was squeezing her way through the zombies. I knew she wouldn't make it but the fact that no one seemed to notice she was missing or cared even, was when I stopped watching.
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Post by Vits on Jun 25, 2021 22:01:44 GMT
6/10
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