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Post by CrepedCrusader on May 27, 2021 13:47:36 GMT
If you can’t tel the difference between the approach of movies today and back then, I don’t know what to say The difference is that back then, the message was mostly things like "communism is bad, and we should be glad we were born in the land of the free" or a general "the government doesn't care about us man, so let's rebel". Even when race and gender were addressed, the message was usually delivered by and through a white dude. This was less threatening the white, male America. When the message changed from "commies hate freedom" to "hey, minorities and women haven't been treated so good", and the message started being delivered through minorities and women, then white, male America decided they were being personally attacked. |
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Post by hi224 on May 27, 2021 14:29:35 GMT
Fragile white dudes: "Movies didn't used to be political!" Literally the entire history of cinema: Politics was a big part of movies both implicitly and explicitly. In Star Wars, the Empire were human-supremacist Nazis who fought against a ragtag group of partisans and insurgents comprised of various species cooperating with each other. (In Return of the Jedi, the Ewoks were the Viet Cong, and were the good guys.) The 50s and 60s were filled with red scare propaganda. The "body snatchers"? They were the commies. (In the 80s the red scare films mostly turned into "can't we all just get along?" storylines. Well, maybe not in Red Dawn.) If To Kill a Mockingbird were released today, you'd have a million doughy white dudes complaining about "that SJW movie!!!". Ding ding. |
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Post by hi224 on May 27, 2021 14:30:21 GMT
If you can’t tel the difference between the approach of movies today and back then, I don’t know what to say The difference is that back then, the message was mostly things like "communism is bad, and we should be glad we were born in the land of the free" or a general "the government doesn't care about us man, so let's rebel". Even when race and gender were addressed, the message was usually delivered by and through a white dude. This was less threatening the white, male America. When the message changed from "commies hate freedom" to "hey, minorities and women haven't been treated so good", and the message started being delivered through minorities and women, then white, male America decided they were being personally attacked. Lack of hays code allows for us to also explore greater boundaries. |
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Post by vegalyra on May 27, 2021 14:37:19 GMT
I have to disagree about the fragile white dude argument at least with regards to Star Wars.
The fact is the Star Wars sequels were just incoherent messes. Gore is right on these films in this commentary.
Disney should have followed the very apt quote from Empire:
Han Solo: All right, Chewie. Let's get outta here!
Princess Leia Organa: The Empire is still out there! I don't think it's wise to—
Han Solo: No time to discuss this in a committee!
Princess Leia Organa: I am not a committee!
C-3PO: Sir, the odds of surviving a direct assault on an Imperial Star Destroyer are precisely—
Princess Leia Organa: Shut up!
I don't watch super hero films so I can't really comment on the Justice League film analysis. But I do agree that many huge films today are done by committee and they check the boxes for what they think will make for a successful film.
I do agree that politics have been a part of film history since the beginning more or less. I love the red scare movies of the late 1940s and 1950s. The anti-communist movement of that period is extremely fascinating to me.
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Post by janntosh on May 27, 2021 14:41:01 GMT
Haven’t watched the video yet. Bet the title is an exaggeration. I think there is no doubt we are heading into a dark age of entertainment. From older directors likely retiring, studios focusing on “diversity” and “social justice” over anything else (Disney has admitted to turning down scripts because they lack “diversity”) and loads of remakes that will likely be crappy and watered down announced, it’s not looking good
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Post by Mulder and Scully on May 27, 2021 14:56:10 GMT
Title is clickbait but I agree with most of his views. Its not rocket surgery to see that mainstream movies suck compared to their original production's in the case of sequels, remakes and "re-imaginings". They have been making sequels and remakes for decades. This is such a tired argument regarding how we're seeing too many sequels and remakes now. For eg: The Ten Commandments (1956) and Ben-Hur (1959) were remakes. They made Beach Party movies in the 60s. The disaster movies of 70s were practically the Superhero movies of its era. Smokey and the Bandit and those Clint Eastwood ape movies that were huge hits. Movies like The Exorcist, Jaws, Dirty Harry, Indiana Jones, Rocky, Rambo, Star Wars etc got sequels in the 70s and 80s. They made tons of sequels we saw in the 80s. The 50s saw dumbass movies like Francis The Talking Mule movies and those Bonzo movies. They made about 600 Spaghetti Westerns between 1960-80. They have been making James Bond movies since the 60s. I can go on and on about similar movie trends of the past. It's all relative to every era. This is just hipster, contraian, pretentious nonsense to make themselves look edgy and cool. These arguments are idiotic. |
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Post by mortsahlfan on May 27, 2021 16:38:44 GMT
I didn't watch the video, but I've said that 99% of the music, movies, comedy, literature, language, politics, etc., have sucked for 40 years and counting.
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Post by drystyx on May 27, 2021 16:55:54 GMT
If you can’t tel the difference between the approach of movies today and back then, I don’t know what to say The message from pre-1965 was that control freaks weren't people to be trusted with power. The message from 1965 was glorification, admiration, and idolization of control freaks. Control freaks who actually decide what other people are thinking, like the raving lunatics who want to believe white male America decided they were being personally attacked by messages delivered through minorities. I certainly met no one who expressed any such feeling, so the raving lunatics who want to make up this false accusation just want to believe what they want to believe, stamp it with their "control freak stamp" and stammer like madmen. And that's okay according to post 1965 style movies, because those are the movies that say being a control freak is awesome, and we should follow control freaks. Post 1965 brainwashing is why control freaks like Donald Trump got the respect and votes that such control freaks got. Sadly, the very preachiness of hacks like Polanski, Leone, Coppola, and the maniacs who admired them havee enabled feeble minded morons to believe their self righteousness of just falsely accusing anyone they want to accuse of being self righteous bigots makes them "visionaries" instead of babbling self righteous maniacs full of unprovoked hate. Thank you for proving this in your illustration.
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Post by Mulder and Scully on May 27, 2021 17:01:28 GMT
I didn't watch the video, but I've said that 99% of the music, movies, comedy, literature, language, politics, etc., have sucked for 40 years and counting.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 27, 2021 18:23:53 GMT
I watched all of that but who the fuck is he again? He is a writer on independent cinema, critic, and commentator. He was the 'movie guy' on G4's "Attack of the Show!" program in the mid to late 00's. He is also the founder of Film Threat.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 27, 2021 18:24:22 GMT
I watched all of that but who the fuck is he again?  To repeat - He is a writer on independent cinema, critic, and commentator. He was the 'movie guy' on G4's "Attack of the Show!" program in the mid to late 00's. He is also the founder of Film Threat.
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Post by mstreepsucks on May 27, 2021 18:28:21 GMT
You know what ya, i do agree. So... there's that...
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Post by Jason143 on May 27, 2021 18:29:53 GMT
Title is clickbait but I agree with most of his views. Its not rocket surgery to see that mainstream movies suck compared to their original production's in the case of sequels, remakes and "re-imaginings". They have been making sequels and remakes for decades. This is such a tired argument regarding how we're seeing too many sequels and remakes now. For eg: The Ten Commandments (1956) and Ben-Hur (1959) were remakes. They made Beach Party movies in the 60s. The disaster movies of 70s were practically the Superhero movies of its era. Smokey and the Bandit and those Clint Eastwood ape movies that were huge hits. Movies are The Exorcist, Jaws, Dirty Harry, Indiana Jones, Rocky, Rambo, Star Wars etc got sequels in the 70s and 80s. They made tons of sequels we saw in the 80s. The 50s saw dumbass movies like Francis The Talking Mule movies and those Bonzo movies. They made about 600 Spaghetti Westerns between 1960-80. They have been making James Bond movies since the 60s. I can go on and on about similar movie trends of the past. It's all relative to every era. This is just hipster, contraian, pretentious nonsense to make themselves look edgy and cool. These arguments are idiotic. Dont care about about 60s movies. Im talking about the 80s and 90s original movies that have been remade or sequelized today in "modern times" and not 1 of them is better than the originals. In fact they are all much worse. Die hard, Predator, Alien, Star Wars, Independence Day, Jurassic Park, Indiana Jones, Star Trek, Jumanji, Ghostbusters, Rambo, Terminator, Toy Story, Lion King, Mortal Kombat, I can go on. And except John Wick I cant think of a good original movie franchise modern Hollywood has created. Thats gotta be close to 99% |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 27, 2021 18:32:17 GMT
100% of his comments are garbage. Why? He raises many good points - Most mainstream releases now put fun last on their list of priorities and focus too much on one sided ideologies that only appeal to half of the population when the products should be designed to appeal to wider range of consumers. Studios are also too reactionary and feel they need a movie out by a certain release date even if it means they have to rush the entire process and create a less than stellar product, i.e. Justice League. The Zack Snyder cut of the film and the 2017 theatrical version are night and day in terms of quality, to remotely suggest the 2017 version is in any way superior to the director's original vision is laughable. And going back nearly a decade before Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen was fast tracked to meet a summer 2009 release date and they pushed it forward during a writer's strike and its director Michael Bay was still trying to polish the film on the eve of its international premiere, it made money but it crippled the franchise which made most of its money based on the strength of its first film in 2007 which was a huge crowd pleaser. Regarding the Star Wars sequels he is also very spot on in that The Rise of Skywalker is a dreadful film, there is nothing really there that is worthy of the franchise and it all traces back to poor management by Kathleen Kennedy which resulted in the very divisive The Last Jedi two years prior.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 27, 2021 18:34:20 GMT
Where does he find the time to watch and evaluate every film currently made from every country with a film industry? He's a journalist and critic that specializes in film.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2021 18:34:26 GMT
If you're having girl problems I feel bad for you son
99% of movies today are garbage and The VVitch ain't one
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 27, 2021 18:34:43 GMT
Poor guy loses all credibility with his examples, denouncing Star Wars IX which is the best of the series in every way, and praising a hack like Nolan who has made the most formula Hollywood trash of all time. Ironically, the ones he praises are the ones making the most modern mainstream movies. He disses and pawns himself. What a maroon (too dumb to just be a regular moron). LOL.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 27, 2021 18:35:43 GMT
plenty of amazing work has been made this last decade so no obviously thats not a fact. He's referring mostly to mainstream entertainment which is designed to make more than a billion dollars at the box office.
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Post by drystyx on May 27, 2021 18:40:16 GMT
I watched all of that but who the fuck is he again? Gore was vice president of the United States from 1993 to 2001, and his talents didn't end there. He was also a top running back for the San Francisco 49ers and other teams in the NFL from 2005 to this day, and only two players in NFL history have rushed for more yards than Gore.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 27, 2021 18:42:06 GMT
Fragile white dudes: "Movies didn't used to be political!" Literally the entire history of cinema: Politics was a big part of movies both implicitly and explicitly. In Star Wars, the Empire were human-supremacist Nazis who fought against a ragtag group of partisans and insurgents comprised of various species cooperating with each other. (In Return of the Jedi, the Ewoks were the Viet Cong, and were the good guys.) The 50s and 60s were filled with red scare propaganda. The "body snatchers"? They were the commies. (In the 80s the red scare films mostly turned into "can't we all just get along?" storylines. Well, maybe not in Red Dawn.) If To Kill a Mockingbird were released today, you'd have a million doughy white dudes complaining about "that SJW movie!!!". Nobody is saying movies were never political, the argument is that the majority of political rhetoric these days on the screen is too one sided and not universal and accessible to understand and get behind by. Your statement about To Kill a Mockingbird being received differently today is a misfire because most people consider racism to be bad and immoral and the novel is a classic literary work. That, and the story is already very political to begin with - it is largely a court room drama. Speaking of which, your suggestion that only white people would be upset by politics in their entertainment comes across as pretty racially insensitive because there are lots of non-white people who agree most mainstream releases are too politically one sided and pandering.
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