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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 20:09:44 GMT
Have any favorites?
Gotta be honest. I'm a giant NBA Lotto / Draft Dork.
I've never understood why the drawing is 'off camera' and in a 'back room'.
What are they hiding?
Wouldn't it be greater drama to have the actual ping pong ball selection process on TV, as opposed to just disclosing the draft order via giant cards after the order is determined?
Something shady about that.
Really intrigued by tomorrow night on whether or not the Lakers keep their pick (they have like a 46% chance or something).
Many conspiracy theorists stating there's no way the NBA would let the Lakers lose that pick this year since Lonzo Ball is on their radar and Magic just took over.
Any other good ones out there?
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Post by Rufus-T on May 15, 2017 20:17:41 GMT
Just mentioned last night on ESPN about something shady about Knicks got the first draft for Patrick Ewing. The draft turned out to be good for the NBA as they said.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 20:29:39 GMT
Just mentioned last night on ESPN about something shady about Knicks got the first draft for Patrick Ewing. The draft turned out to be good for the NBA as they said. Exactly. Good for the NBA is the Lakers keeping this pick. The intriguing part becomes who they take if they get #1 - do they still go Ball? And I think they would/will. Means Fultz and Jackson drop - and as a Sixers fan - I have no problem with that. Although I really want their pick this year - falls out of the Top 3 it goes to the Sixers. To me - there's no way Adam Silver and the NBA let Magic and the Lakers lose this pick since they've been connected to Ball and he's a UCLA kid. There's just too much to be lost by the pick going to the Sixers. We shall see.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on May 15, 2017 20:33:17 GMT
There are a few downright classics in the NBA: 1) Patrick Ewing to the Knicks with the help of a frozen envelope 2) Michael Jordan serving an 18 month suspension for gambling 3) Lakers over Kings in game 6 with the help of 27 foul shots
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 20:36:53 GMT
There are a few downright classics in the NBA: 1) Patrick Ewing to the Knicks with the help of a frozen envelope 2) Michael Jordan serving an 18 month suspension for gambling 3) Lakers over Kings in game 6 with the help of 27 foul shots another nba one. cavs down 3-1 to the warriors last year. wasn't there some controversy - didn't Draymond Green get suspended? (deserving or not - wasn't he out the final the game?) to call a spade a spade - is that really necessary unless somebody lost a limb due to dirty play? we're talking the 'finals' here
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Post by President Ackbar™ on May 15, 2017 20:38:32 GMT
Yup, and another more recent one that also involves the CAVS:
1) After losing LeBron, they "won" the draft lottery in 2011, 2013, and 2014
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 20:42:50 GMT
Yup, and another more recent one that also involves the CAVS: 1) After losing LeBron, they "won" the draft lottery in 2011, 2013, and 2014 good one. i was always and 'anthony bennett' fan jokes on me
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Post by hoskotafe3 on May 15, 2017 22:48:11 GMT
Green missed game 5. So if you're into conspiracies, the suspension prevented the Warriors from closing out at home, The Cavs were always a good chance to win game 6 at home, so the suspension gave the NBA a 7 game series. I'm not one for conspiracies, and thought Green's suspension was justified. I've got no problem with the 3-1 comeback as it had already happened earlier in the same post season.
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Post by sdm3 on May 15, 2017 23:12:54 GMT
Have any favorites? Gotta be honest. I'm a giant NBA Lotto / Draft Dork. I've never understood why the drawing is 'off camera' and in a 'back room'. What are they hiding? Wouldn't it be greater drama to have the actual ping pong ball selection process on TV, as opposed to just disclosing the draft order via giant cards after the order is determined? Something shady about that. Really intrigued by tomorrow night on whether or not the Lakers keep their pick (they have like a 46% chance or something). Many conspiracy theorists stating there's no way the NBA would let the Lakers lose that pick this year since Lonzo Ball is on their radar and Magic just took over. Any other good ones out there? It's the same procedure used in the NHL, which is clearly not rigged. In 2015, the Edmonton Oilers won the draft lottery, jumping up one spot from no. 2 and giving them the right to select generational talent Connor McDavid. It was their 4th time picking 1st overall in 6 years. If it were rigged, the Oilers would certainly not have been given that pick of all picks with all their recent luck.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 23:40:00 GMT
Have any favorites? Gotta be honest. I'm a giant NBA Lotto / Draft Dork. I've never understood why the drawing is 'off camera' and in a 'back room'. What are they hiding? Wouldn't it be greater drama to have the actual ping pong ball selection process on TV, as opposed to just disclosing the draft order via giant cards after the order is determined? Something shady about that. Really intrigued by tomorrow night on whether or not the Lakers keep their pick (they have like a 46% chance or something). Many conspiracy theorists stating there's no way the NBA would let the Lakers lose that pick this year since Lonzo Ball is on their radar and Magic just took over. Any other good ones out there? It's the same procedure used in the NHL, which is clearly not rigged. In 2015, the Edmonton Oilers won the draft lottery, jumping up one spot from no. 2 and giving them the right to select generational talent Connor McDavid. It was their 4th time picking 1st overall in 6 years. If it were rigged, the Oilers would certainly not have been given that pick of all picks with all their recent luck. One can argue the NHL wanted the Oilers to be good again. Think about it. Those Gretzsky, Messier, Fuhr years were absolutely epic. Hockey is pretty much 'Canadas' Golden Child What better way to give hockey a buzz again - give Edmonton another 'Gretzky'. Try, try and try. One cold hard truth I've learned in life - everything is about business and money. Wouldn't shock me. Speaking of hockey - what are you thoughts about years previous about some of the larger markets making it to the Cup Finals - i.e. the Chicagos, Los Angeles, Bostons, New Yorks of the world. Not saying they weren't great teams - obviously they were - hockey seems to have so much parity nowadays - don't you think it would benefit the NHL to have the Kings, Blackhawks, Rangers of the world in the Cup Finals for money / ratings purposes? That being said - I bet the NHL is cringing this year with the 4 Cup finalists. Yes you've got Crosby and Anaheim (L.A.) - but lets call a spade a spade - Nashville vs Ottawa would get beaten by the Golden Girls on Lifetime ratings wise
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Post by sdm3 on May 15, 2017 23:47:21 GMT
It's the same procedure used in the NHL, which is clearly not rigged. In 2015, the Edmonton Oilers won the draft lottery, jumping up one spot from no. 2 and giving them the right to select generational talent Connor McDavid. It was their 4th time picking 1st overall in 6 years. If it were rigged, the Oilers would certainly not have been given that pick of all picks with all their recent luck. One can argue the NHL wanted the Oilers to be good again. Think about it. Those Gretzsky, Messier, Fuhr years were absolutely epic. Hockey is pretty much 'Canadas' Golden Child What better way to give hockey a buzz again - give Edmonton another 'Gretzky'. Try, try and try. One cold hard truth I've learned in life - everything is about business and money. Wouldn't shock me. Speaking of hockey - what are you thoughts about years previous about some of the larger markets making it to the Cup Finals - i.e. the Chicagos, Los Angeles, Bostons, New Yorks of the world. Not saying they weren't great teams - obviously they were - hockey seems to have so much parity nowadays - don't you think it would benefit the NHL to have the Kings, Blackhawks, Rangers of the world in the Cup Finals for money / ratings purposes? That being said - I bet the NHL is cringing this year with the 4 Cup finalists. Yes you've got Crosby and Anaheim (L.A.) - but lets call a spade a spade - Nashville vs Ottawa would get beaten by the Golden Girls on Lifetime ratings wise 1. Gary Bettman wouldn't want the Oilers to be good again. If anything he'd love Arizona to have gotten McDavid. And the Oilers winning was such a terrible result that they immediately changed the lottery system to make the winners more random. 2. There's no conspiracy in high market teams getting to the Final. Are we supposed to think that every time New York or Los Angeles or Chicago do well? It's due to the league having parity, with lots of good teams. Chicago had the best team of the past half decade. It's nothing to do with the NHL wanting them to advance. Sometimes big market teams do well, and sometimes small market teams do well. That kind of conspiracy talk is tiring.
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Post by marco26 on May 16, 2017 0:11:21 GMT
NHL naming the Buffalo Sabres as the home team in the 2018 Winter Classic in New York City's CitiField against the New York Rangers.
Conspiracy theory is that NHL did this because Rangers have a tax break (worth over 40 million dollars) that states ALL home Ranger games will be played at the Garden. If any home games are not played at the Garden, owner Jim Dolan loses 40 million dollars.
Oh, wait, this isn't a conspiracy theory. This is actually true! Buffalo (nine hours away) is the home team instead of the Rangers (20 minutes away).
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 0:12:31 GMT
One can argue the NHL wanted the Oilers to be good again. Think about it. Those Gretzsky, Messier, Fuhr years were absolutely epic. Hockey is pretty much 'Canadas' Golden Child What better way to give hockey a buzz again - give Edmonton another 'Gretzky'. Try, try and try. One cold hard truth I've learned in life - everything is about business and money. Wouldn't shock me. Speaking of hockey - what are you thoughts about years previous about some of the larger markets making it to the Cup Finals - i.e. the Chicagos, Los Angeles, Bostons, New Yorks of the world. Not saying they weren't great teams - obviously they were - hockey seems to have so much parity nowadays - don't you think it would benefit the NHL to have the Kings, Blackhawks, Rangers of the world in the Cup Finals for money / ratings purposes? That being said - I bet the NHL is cringing this year with the 4 Cup finalists. Yes you've got Crosby and Anaheim (L.A.) - but lets call a spade a spade - Nashville vs Ottawa would get beaten by the Golden Girls on Lifetime ratings wise 1. Gary Bettman wouldn't want the Oilers to be good again. If anything he'd love Arizona to have gotten McDavid. And the Oilers winning was such a terrible result that they immediately changed the lottery system to make the winners more random. 2. There's no conspiracy in high market teams getting to the Final. Are we supposed to think that every time New York or Los Angeles or Chicago do well? It's due to the league having parity, with lots of good teams. Chicago had the best team of the past half decade. It's nothing to do with the NHL wanting them to advance. Sometimes big market teams do well, and sometimes small market teams do well. That kind of conspiracy talk is tiring. like i said - im not saying the Chicagos and L.A.s of the world haven't had great teams. obviously they have. don't they have multiple cups over the past decade? but that being said - you tell me - obviously you're in the other camp - but it wouldn't shock me. game comes down to a game 7 and perhaps a call goes one way or the other for the benefit of the big market team. it really wouldn't shock me when life comes down to money - money in this instance comes to ratings. rather have New York in there or Nashville? sid the kid or some up and comer from 'Columbus'..........
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 0:16:53 GMT
NHL naming the Buffalo Sabres as the home team in the 2018 Winter Classic in New York City's CitiField against the New York Rangers. Conspiracy theory is that NHL did this because Rangers have a tax break (worth over 40 million dollars) that states ALL home Ranger games will be played at the Garden. If any home games are not played at the Garden, owner Jim Dolan loses 40 million dollars. Oh, wait, this isn't a conspiracy theory. This is actually true! Buffalo (nine hours away) is the home team instead of the Rangers (20 minutes away). jim dolan is involved in hockey or is a contract issue with the Garden, Knicks, Rangers? this is actually some fascinating stuff. reminds me of college football a bit when Tennessee plays a game outside of Neyland Stadium a few miles away in the same state - and everyone is crazy for the Vols - and it's considered a 'road game' for them - and 99% of the stadium is filled with Vols colors singing Rocky Top.
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Post by marco26 on May 16, 2017 0:23:35 GMT
Two true ones:
1. MLB paid Yankee management and players a total of 720 million dollars in order to throw the 3-0 2004 ALCS against the Red Sox.
2. Melo wants to be the only NBA Hall Of Famer to win an NCAA Championship, Olympic gold medal, but never win an NBA Championship. He truly doesn't want to win a championship with Knicks because that unique status (NCAA champ, Olympic champ, no NBA championship) will be rewarded monetarily in years to come.
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Post by marco26 on May 16, 2017 0:29:32 GMT
Dolan owns both the Knicks and Rangers.
No joke, this story is just breaking. Will it be on the level of OJ murdering two people? No, but nonetheless, it is quite interesting and disturbing.
NHL is actually pulling some bullshit just so Jim Dolan doesn't forfeit forty million dollars to the city of New York. It's a property tax thing. As long as the Rangers play their home games in the City, Jim Dolan saves himself 40 million dollars. This will be seen as a big joke when that game is played in January. Home team at a NY City stadium is...Buffalo? Why? When people find out why, Bettman will look even more of a schmuck than he already looks.
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Post by sdm3 on May 16, 2017 0:44:03 GMT
1. Gary Bettman wouldn't want the Oilers to be good again. If anything he'd love Arizona to have gotten McDavid. And the Oilers winning was such a terrible result that they immediately changed the lottery system to make the winners more random. 2. There's no conspiracy in high market teams getting to the Final. Are we supposed to think that every time New York or Los Angeles or Chicago do well? It's due to the league having parity, with lots of good teams. Chicago had the best team of the past half decade. It's nothing to do with the NHL wanting them to advance. Sometimes big market teams do well, and sometimes small market teams do well. That kind of conspiracy talk is tiring. like i said - im not saying the Chicagos and L.A.s of the world haven't had great teams. obviously they have. don't they have multiple cups over the past decade? but that being said - you tell me - obviously you're in the other camp - but it wouldn't shock me. game comes down to a game 7 and perhaps a call goes one way or the other for the benefit of the big market team. it really wouldn't shock me when life comes down to money - money in this instance comes to ratings. rather have New York in there or Nashville? sid the kid or some up and comer from 'Columbus'.......... We literally had a case disproving that in this year's playoffs. According to you, the NHL would love the Oilers to win, right? Big Canadian team with a storied history reclaiming former glory. Yet they had a suspect call against them in the final minute of game 5 against the Ducks for the game tying goal, in Anaheim's favor. Why would the NHL give preferential calls to the smallest market of California's three teams over a big Canadian team with the league's new superstar? Well, because these things happen, there's no conspiracy.
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Post by THE_PURGE on May 16, 2017 0:52:55 GMT
NBA lottery i can make an argument for every lottery drawing, since Ewing, being fixed...except by Sixers last year
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 1:02:41 GMT
like i said - im not saying the Chicagos and L.A.s of the world haven't had great teams. obviously they have. don't they have multiple cups over the past decade? but that being said - you tell me - obviously you're in the other camp - but it wouldn't shock me. game comes down to a game 7 and perhaps a call goes one way or the other for the benefit of the big market team. it really wouldn't shock me when life comes down to money - money in this instance comes to ratings. rather have New York in there or Nashville? sid the kid or some up and comer from 'Columbus'.......... We literally had a case disproving that in this year's playoffs. According to you, the NHL would love the Oilers to win, right? Big Canadian team with a storied history reclaiming former glory. Yet they had a suspect call against them in the final minute of game 5 against the Ducks for the game tying goal, in Anaheim's favor. Why would the NHL give preferential calls to the smallest market of California's three teams over a big Canadian team with the league's new superstar? Well, because these things happen, there's no conspiracy. but isn't anaheim technically considered 'L.A.' take baseball. haven't the Angels changed their 'location' name constantly? aren't they pretty much considered the L.A. Angels now in lamens terms or do the masses still reference them as 'anaheim' - none the less - it's L.A. and a giant market. i do think the NHL would love to have Edmonton, Montreal and Toronto on top. ive got to be honest with you - you probably know a zillion times more about hockey than me. i've become disgusted with it and it's my 4th favorite sport out of the big 4 in philly. maybe you can set me straight. i miss the days of the old school Atlantic Division. Flyers, Rangers, Devils, Islanders, Pens, Caps. 1 point for an overtime loss? huh? who gets rewarded for losing? i think the shootout was a nice gimmick to draw viewers in. enough is enough. i think the 4 on 3 (is that what it still is??) in OT is also a nice 'gimmick' to draw more casual viewers and try to make the sport more exciting. to me - over the past decade - hockey has become the one sport where the regular season does not matter. look at the streak columbus ran through. where are they now? flyers - and unbeaten 10 game streak. didn't even make the playoffs. everything comes down to the last week of the season where teams are jockeying for playoff positioning and a team can jump from #10 to #6 in the matter of a week. a sport where the Presidents Trophy winner for having the best regular season record can't even make it to the conference finals and a sport where a #8 seed can knock off a #1. i love the parity - but to call a spade a spade as a viewer - it's like - why tune until the final week of the season? enough with the 1 point for an overtime loss. enough with the shootout. gimme my old school atlantic division back where you're in dogfights with your hated rivals. i could care less about columbus, florida, tampa, etc etc.
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Post by sdm3 on May 16, 2017 3:31:16 GMT
Less so than baseball?
I'm not sure what your point is dude. Sometimes strong regular season teams do well in the playoffs and sometimes they don't - like all sports.
The Flyers are in a division with literally all the Rangers, Devils, Penguins, Islanders, Caps. You don't care about the Jackets probably because they were a brand new team when you were into hockey and didn't even play in the Eastern Conference at that time. But their roster is set to compete for years and they're forming a bitter rivalry with the Penguins as we speak. Seems like you just want hockey to be exactly the way it was when you were into it.
I daresay you'll like hockey more when the Flyers are better - and indeed the youth of their defense plus their talent on offense should have them competing for years even without the upcoming #2 overall pick they have. But they play in a very strong division so sometimes, yeah, they might miss the playoffs regardless of a winning streak they might have in December.
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