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Post by Skaathar on Jun 30, 2021 3:20:39 GMT
Episodes 2 and 3 get worse, but I still like it. I like the visuals much more than most MCU projects, except the awful apocalyptic moon backgrounds. Those shots look so bad. I have to say I’m getting a little tired of every main male character other than (pretty much) Cap being a clumsy-clown rag doll. By the third episode, Loki is pretty much like the court jester to Sylvie. I suppose that’s just the writing for this franchise now. Some might like that, but I find it overdone and detrimental to actual character development. He’s a nitwit and outclassed by everyone both physically and strategically at every turn. The audience needs something to hold onto for a main character (especially one that is technically coming off of his most sinister and powerful portrayal in the entire series chronologically). Loki is offering less and less to like and/or respect about its main character. I have to agree. Loki in the original movies seemed devious. Mischievous but still conniving. Here he just goes from quirky to flat-out jester mode. You'd never have thought this was the same guy who ruthlessly took the eye out of a civilian just a few days ago. They did something similar to both Vision and Bucky though to lesser degrees. But for an android and a formerly brainwashed assassin, they certainly seemed quirkier in their shows than in the MCU movies. While this show hasn't gone past the point of no return yet, I do worry that by the end of this series, they would have done irreversible damage to Loki's character. |
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 1, 2021 2:25:46 GMT
I have to agree. Loki in the original movies seemed devious. Mischievous but still conniving. Here he just goes from quirky to flat-out jester mode. You'd never have thought this was the same guy who ruthlessly took the eye out of a civilian just a few days ago. They did something similar to both Vision and Bucky though to lesser degrees. But for an android and a formerly brainwashed assassin, they certainly seemed quirkier in their shows than in the MCU movies. While this show hasn't gone past the point of no return yet, I do worry that by the end of this series, they would have done irreversible damage to Loki's character. It is possible that he is not the same guy. Nah it's the same guy. Mobius even mentions it in the first episode. |
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 1, 2021 4:48:16 GMT
I just got to say, among any MCU show, this has one of the worst action choreographies I've seen. Moving from what we got in TFATWS to this is a huge downgrade.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 1, 2021 21:15:46 GMT
Has anyone mentioned that Loki moved an entire building in episode 3?! Anyone care to explain that one? The building starts to collapse on them, so Loki casually throws it the other way with his on again/off again telekinesis! Then he goes back to fist fighting guards. I'm truly puzzled here, because that kind of power could've come in handy when he was getting thrown around by Hulk. What's going on?
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 1, 2021 21:34:51 GMT
Has anyone mentioned that Loki moved an entire building in episode 3?! Anyone care to explain that one? The building starts to collapse on them, so Loki casually throws it the other way with his on again/of again telekinesis! Then he goes back to fist fighting guards. I'm truly puzzled here, because that kind of power could've come in handy when he was getting thrown around by Hulk. What's going on? The only way I've been able to make sense of this show's fight scenes are that they've dialed Loki's physical fighting skills to a 1 then dialed up his magic skills to an 8... though his magic is limited to only using it in random occurences outside of combat. Everytime he's in combat he'll resort to h2h fighting which he'll normally lose or struggle with. It's hard to imagine that this used to be the guy who could go toe to toe with Thor. |
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 2, 2021 4:02:53 GMT
The only way I've been able to make sense of this show's fight scenes are that they've dialed Loki's physical fighting skills to a 1 then dialed up his magic skills to an 8... though his magic is limited to only using it in random occurences outside of combat. Everytime he's in combat he'll resort to h2h fighting which he'll normally lose or struggle with. It's hard to imagine that this used to be the guy who could go toe to toe with Thor. I think this is to show that without his magic and guile, Loki is not as strong as the average Asgardian, but then he isn’t an Asgardian. What’s only been touched upon in the narrative is how Lokis are agents of chaos that prevent the universes from smoothing out into totally predictable, unchanging order. Out of chaos comes new creation. Loki is a destroyer and a creator. Loki was strong enough to manhandle Thor to a degree. Was easily overpowering Captain America in a purely physical fight. Had reflexes fast enough to catch an arrow without looking. Is outright bullet proof. Even without his magic and guile, Loki is an absolute beast of a fighter. Or at least he was. This series has completely removed that aspect of his movie version. |
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 2, 2021 14:50:16 GMT
Loki was strong enough to manhandle Thor to a degree. Was easily overpowering Captain America in a purely physical fight. Had reflexes fast enough to catch an arrow without looking. Is outright bullet proof. Even without his magic and guile, Loki is an absolute beast of a fighter. Or at least he was. This series has completely removed that aspect of his movie version. He is a great fighter in his future self. How good is in Thor or the Avengers? Prior, he depends upon Gungnir or his spectre loaded up with an Infinity Stone for the big magic. I daresay his horned tiara gives him some power as well. Loki does admit to Möbius he is mostly magic bravado to hide his weaknesses. He had his best fights in Thor and Avengers. He gave Thor a fight in both the first Thor movie and Avengers. He used his spear mostly as a melee weapon and didn't depend on its powers like you said. In Avengers he beat up Captain America in a purely physical fight. And while he used his scepter to mind control a few SHIELD agents, he still used mostly physical attacks to take them out. And again in Avengers, he caught Hawkeye's arrow in mid air without looking, got hit by a shoulder tackle from Hulk and immediately got back up, took a grenade to the face without injury, and was completely bulletproof. |
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 2, 2021 15:10:53 GMT
He had his best fights in Thor and Avengers. He gave Thor a fight in both the first Thor movie and Avengers. He used his spear mostly as a melee weapon and didn't depend on its powers like you said. In Avengers he beat up Captain America in a purely physical fight. And while he used his scepter to mind control a few SHIELD agents, he still used mostly physical attacks to take them out. And again in Avengers, he caught Hawkeye's arrow in mid air without looking, got hit by a shoulder tackle from Hulk and immediately got back up, took a grenade to the face without injury, and was completely bulletproof. But he still has his magical accoutrements along with his clothes before he zaps away with the Tesseract or this Loki is not the same Loki. And ye of little faith, there’s two more episodes to go. I never said Loki is a purely physical fighter. My point was that even as a purely physical fighter he was pretty beastly. His clothes don't provide him any magical assistance as far as we can tell. And yeah, we only have 2 more episodes left in a 6 episode series. And for 2/3 of that series he's been portrayed as a pretty underwhelming fighter, completely contradicting his movie version. |
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 2, 2021 18:01:19 GMT
I never said Loki is a purely physical fighter. My point was that even as a purely physical fighter he was pretty beastly. His clothes don't provide him any magical assistance as far as we can tell. And yeah, we only have 2 more episodes left in a 6 episode series. And for 2/3 of that series he's been portrayed as a pretty underwhelming fighter, completely contradicting his movie version.Yes. This could be a part of a Loki’s plans. Maybe, but it certainly contradicts with how his character has been portrayed in the movies. Here's a quick reminder of how Loki fought even when he wanted to intentionally get captured. And his performance here is such a far cry from his petty fight performance in this show. He's supposed to be conniving and mischievous but he doesn't allow himself to look like a complete clown if he could help it. He has too much pride for that. Or at least he was supposed to.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 7, 2021 20:51:58 GMT
Ok so, I found ep5 a lot more enjoyable than ep3 and 4. I'm still pretty miffed with their defanged, wussified version of Loki and I still think the writing is pretty shaky, but at least this episode has gotten me interested in this show again. The only thing that worries me is that we only have 1 episode left, and it feels like this show hasn't really covered that much ground to already be in the finale.
But oh well, we'll see. Hopefully this gives us a better finale than Wandavision.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 7, 2021 23:17:22 GMT
Ok so, I found ep5 a lot more enjoyable than ep3 and 4. I'm still pretty miffed with their defanged, wussified version of Loki and I still think the writing is pretty shaky, but at least this episode has gotten me interested in this show again. The only thing that worries me is that we only have 1 episode left, and it feels like this show hasn't really covered that much ground to already be in the finale. But oh well, we'll see. Hopefully this gives us a better finale than Wandavision. It might be worth pointing out that unlike WandaVision or F&WS, this show is getting a second season, so they wouldn’t necessarily need to wrap up everything by episode 6.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 9, 2021 20:58:07 GMT
Ok so, I found ep5 a lot more enjoyable than ep3 and 4. I'm still pretty miffed with their defanged, wussified version of Loki and I still think the writing is pretty shaky, but at least this episode has gotten me interested in this show again. The only thing that worries me is that we only have 1 episode left, and it feels like this show hasn't really covered that much ground to already be in the finale. But oh well, we'll see. Hopefully this gives us a better finale than Wandavision. It might be worth pointing out that unlike WandaVision or F&WS, this show is getting a second season, so they wouldn’t necessarily need to wrap up everything by episode 6. Fair enough. Still think that the writing for this series is ridiculously slow and could have been done way more efficiently.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 14, 2021 0:40:23 GMT
I know I'm very late to the party but... Watched the first 5 episodes. WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?  ?? I thought time travel created ramifications and time variants. Right? So what about all those different, vastly different LOKIS? Alternate dimensions? It's totally out of the original concept. Please, could someone explain me what's going on? Is the TVA a multidimensional Police? ? So it's not about time travel at all, not the way we think about it. |
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Jul 14, 2021 14:39:17 GMT
Yay, the majority of an episode revolving around people sitting around a desk and talking. How exciting.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 15, 2021 2:55:36 GMT
Yay, the majority of an episode revolving around people sitting around a desk and talking. How exciting. That was one of the weakest season finales I've seen. It's basically exposition after exposition. |
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Post by darkpast on Aug 11, 2021 5:28:49 GMT
10/10 The best art produced by Marvel Studios
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Post by YourMomSaysHi on Aug 11, 2021 11:00:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2022 0:21:54 GMT
Loki’s arc over the MCU…
Thor 1: Goes from ally to villain
Avengers: Acts as villain
Thor 2: Goes from villain to uneasy ally
Thor 3: Completes path back to being ally
Avenger IW: Completes redemption arc by sacrificing himself for Thor
Loki the Show: Loki… exists.
Loki the Show Season Two: Loki… still exists.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 16, 2022 5:24:57 GMT
Loki’s arc over the MCU… Thor 1: Goes from ally to villain Avengers: Acts as villain Thor 2: Goes from villain to uneasy ally Thor 3: Completes path back to being ally Avenger IW: Completes redemption arc by sacrificing himself for Thor Loki the Show: Loki… exists. Loki the Show Season Two: Loki… still exists. I'd say the Loki show existed primarily as a vehicle to showcase Female Loki while monetizing the fame of Tom Hiddleston.
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