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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 7:41:46 GMT
No, the Alien franchise is popular enough to warrant a sequel. Prometheus' got cancelled. And yes, it does suck. I could give a complete rundown of how Prometheus sucked, but that'd take forever, since literally every frame of footage for that movie has something bafflingly stupid happening, so I'll just focus on the subplot of the Geologist and his pet Biologist getting lost on their way back to the ship after finding dead aliens freaks them out... for reasons, I'm sure. So... this film expects me to believe the Geologist had these free-floating orbs that can fly all through the tunnels and fill out a fully 3D map version of the caverns, but they only transmit back to the ship? He didn't have a handheld GPS that would also be uploading the map that was being created? Or that someone from the ship couldn't have guided him back? Instead the film expects us to believe he was flying blind trying to find his way back to the vehicles, got lost in the caves, and then decided to SLEEP in the very same cavern that freaked him and his pet Biologist out earlier?! And then when confronted with a completely alien lifeform of unknown temperament, strength, diet, and capabilities, the Biologist decided it would be a good idea to try petting it?! Yes, Prometheus sucked. Superhero films are awesome. Here's a dollar. Buy a clue. I thought Prometheus was fun. I didn’t take it as seriously as those who list the obvious flaws in logic. They are right of course but it’s a little like listing them in a Monty Python film: beside the point. How could these knights build that giant rabbit again? So yes, the crew is acting silly the whole time and barely anything makes sense. It means it’s not meant to and this film is not about finding answers but about silly questioning. There is no point searching for a creator or asking about the point of one’s existence. Those who do are self-endangering idiots setting out to meet their own fears, which is what the film portrays. The guy who is freaked out by a set of long dead corpse but finds an unknown animal beautiful exemplifies this irrationality. He is unconsciously selecting his fears, reacting emotionally: the image of death unsettles him but life doesn’t. The same goes for Shaw who “chooses to believe” rather than follow scientific logic then will have sex as comfort for the thought of being sterile. I hear Alien: Covenant is a parody. I wonder if it’s true. You are giving an over-the-hill, past-his-prime filmmaker way too much credit. No, Ridley Scott made a bad film. Period.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 17, 2017 7:54:25 GMT
I thought Prometheus was fun. I didn’t take it as seriously as those who list the obvious flaws in logic. They are right of course but it’s a little like listing them in a Monty Python film: beside the point. How could these knights build that giant rabbit again? So yes, the crew is acting silly the whole time and barely anything makes sense. It means it’s not meant to and this film is not about finding answers but about silly questioning. There is no point searching for a creator or asking about the point of one’s existence. Those who do are self-endangering idiots setting out to meet their own fears, which is what the film portrays. The guy who is freaked out by a set of long dead corpse but finds an unknown animal beautiful exemplifies this irrationality. He is unconsciously selecting his fears, reacting emotionally: the image of death unsettles him but life doesn’t. The same goes for Shaw who “chooses to believe” rather than follow scientific logic then will have sex as comfort for the thought of being sterile. I hear Alien: Covenant is a parody. I wonder if it’s true. You are giving an over-the-hill, past-his-prime filmmaker way too much credit. No, Ridley Scott made a bad film. Period. You sound like a kid who takes his toys seriously.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 8:02:10 GMT
You are giving an over-the-hill, past-his-prime filmmaker way too much credit. No, Ridley Scott made a bad film. Period. You sound like a kid who takes his toys seriously. And you sound like one of those snowflakes who actually thinks a Liberal Arts degree will net them a decent job.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 17, 2017 8:07:35 GMT
It was supposed to pick up right where Prometheus left off and explore the Engineers' home planet and finish explaining the human origins storyline. He completely reverted to another generic Alien installation. Wtf. I hate Hollywood. I guess Lindlelof should have written a complete film then instead of saving any and all plot development for a hypothetical sequel.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 17, 2017 8:48:33 GMT
You sound like a kid who takes his toys seriously. And you sound like one of those snowflakes who actually thinks a Liberal Arts degree will net them a decent job. I know to take mere entertainment for what it is. I don't think any of the Alien films warrant serious criticism. I like some better than others but they are not worth analysing or interpreting. The one criticism I can accept about Prometheus is that it appears to try to be too serious. But then, doing this it merely repeats the function of old legends or even children tales, passing depths along with entertainment.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 8:54:09 GMT
And you sound like one of those snowflakes who actually thinks a Liberal Arts degree will net them a decent job. I know to take mere entertainment for what it is. I don't think any of the Alien films warrant serious criticism. I like some better than others but they are not worth analysing or interpreting. The one criticism I can accept about Prometheus is that it appears to try to be too serious. But then, doing this it merely repeats the function of old legends or even children tales, passing depths along with entertainment. Wow, you think your word counts for a lot, and that is some serious pretentiousness you have going on there. Okay, first of all, you are not the one who gets to decide what is and isn't worth analyzing and interpreting. Secondly, I will criticize Prometheus any way I want and I don't need your acceptance to do it. In fact, I'd be more worried if I have your backing. So you can keep it.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 17, 2017 9:08:16 GMT
I know to take mere entertainment for what it is. I don't think any of the Alien films warrant serious criticism. I like some better than others but they are not worth analysing or interpreting. The one criticism I can accept about Prometheus is that it appears to try to be too serious. But then, doing this it merely repeats the function of old legends or even children tales, passing depths along with entertainment. Wow, you think your word counts for a lot, and that is some serious pretentiousness you have going on there. Okay, first of all, you are not the one who gets to decide what is and isn't worth analyzing and interpreting. Secondly, I will criticize Prometheus any way I want and I don't need your acceptance to do it. In fact, I'd be more worried if I have your backing. So you can keep it. I did not offer my backing. Pretentiousness is the flaw losers are most readily accusing others of.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 9:23:08 GMT
Wow, you think your word counts for a lot, and that is some serious pretentiousness you have going on there. Okay, first of all, you are not the one who gets to decide what is and isn't worth analyzing and interpreting. Secondly, I will criticize Prometheus any way I want and I don't need your acceptance to do it. In fact, I'd be more worried if I have your backing. So you can keep it. I did not offer my backing. Pretentiousness is the flaw losers are most readily accusing others of. If I'm a loser, you're a fice.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 17, 2017 9:58:18 GMT
I did not offer my backing. Pretentiousness is the flaw losers are most readily accusing others of. If I'm a loser, you're a fice. If you're not, you shouldn't behave like one.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 10:47:07 GMT
It will come. The Engineers will return. Maybe they're at the planet the colonists are headed to.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 10:50:46 GMT
I thought Prometheus was fun. I didn’t take it as seriously as those who list the obvious flaws in logic. They are right of course but it’s a little like listing them in a Monty Python film: beside the point. How could these knights build that giant rabbit again? So yes, the crew is acting silly the whole time and barely anything makes sense. It means it’s not meant to and this film is not about finding answers but about silly questioning. There is no point searching for a creator or asking about the point of one’s existence. Those who do are self-endangering idiots setting out to meet their own fears, which is what the film portrays. The guy who is freaked out by a set of long dead corpse but finds an unknown animal beautiful exemplifies this irrationality. He is unconsciously selecting his fears, reacting emotionally: the image of death unsettles him but life doesn’t. The same goes for Shaw who “chooses to believe” rather than follow scientific logic then will have sex as comfort for the thought of being sterile. I hear Alien: Covenant is a parody. I wonder if it’s true. You are giving an over-the-hill, past-his-prime filmmaker way too much credit. No, Ridley Scott made a bad film. Period. He's not over the hill. Covenant is a good film, even if it is market driven. But that's the script. We all like to think directors can use whatever script they want but unless they find it themselves, they can't. The direction of covenant is fine. Even I don't mind the script. A couple of plot holes but great characterisation. Also the next film will probably continue the Prometheus story.
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Post by The Social Introvert on May 17, 2017 11:10:48 GMT
They made the mistake of trying to cater to what they think fans want, whilst continuing with the Prometheus mumbo jumbo. It made everything quite messy. Here's my non-spoiler review, if you're interested: www.youtube.com/watch?v=N37DQDL68Lw
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 17, 2017 11:55:10 GMT
They made the mistake of trying to cater to what they think fans want, whilst continuing with the Prometheus mumbo jumbo. It made everything quite messy. Here's my non-spoiler review, if you're interested: www.youtube.com/watch?v=N37DQDL68LwI haven't seen the new one yet. I probably will even though the trailer speaks against it (not a good sign, really, but it looks like we've seen it all before: a Best Of Alien Remake of sorts). Expecting "all the answers" from Prometheus is naive as well as missing the point. This is the attitude of the child who just wants to know the rest of the story without ever realising it is actually saying something he's been missing all along. Beyond the purely entertaining action, Prometheus was not about what some mysterious "Engineers" wanted, it was slightly about how humans deal with their own questions and how they refuse to see the pointlessness of their own Grail quests. This is why David was made to provide a "disappointing answer", so simply logical and yet so unwanted it couldn't be acceptable. It might also have been about their readiness to accept unfavorable judgement, to accept a sense of guilt for their own nature. From Noah to this day, history has been a long exploitation of this. If anything is to be gained besides the usual excitement of the monster genre, it should be in further display of the human nature, not in some phony "creating" race. Not the gods are interesting, but the way we need and use them.
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Post by johnspartan on May 17, 2017 13:26:33 GMT
Today's sci fi audience doesn't like to think about the origins of man or anything for that matter. Just keep that wise cracking racoon and his try hard comedy comin' and fill that soundtrack with light 70s pop songs. No, we're capable of enjoying that line of questioning in a film. Prometheus just sucked, though, on every conceivable level, except for the visuals. Also, you're an idiot. Der, okie dokie, Marveltard.
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Post by johnspartan on May 17, 2017 13:29:02 GMT
Suuuuure it was, and so was the first one. The first one was a smash hit, hence the sequel. Obviously, a lot of people disagree with you. Oh, and Guardians 2 entered the profit margins within a week of being released in the U.S. Suck on that. Cuz crappy movies never make a lot of money, right?
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Post by Tristan's Journal on May 17, 2017 13:42:29 GMT
Suuuuure it was, and so was the first one. The first one was a smash hit, hence the sequel. Obviously, a lot of people disagree with you. Oh, and Guardians 2 entered the profit margins within a week of being released in the U.S. Suck on that. your logical fallacy is "bandwagon", old fiend: You appealed to popularity or the fact that many people do or like something as an attempted form of validation.
The flaw in your argument is that the popularity of an idea or work has absolutely no bearing on its validity. If it did, then the Earth would have made itself flat for most of history to accommodate this popular belief. And you do not assume the Earth is flat, do you?
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 18:33:04 GMT
If I'm a loser, you're a fice. If you're not, you shouldn't behave like one. Yeah, someone who says that fiction should never be critiqued has no place thinking he has the right to call me a loser. Basically, all you're done is expose your inability to think critically to the world.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 17, 2017 18:40:04 GMT
If you're not, you shouldn't behave like one. Yeah, someone who says that fiction should never be critiqued has no place thinking he has the right to call me a loser. Basically, all you're done is expose your inability to think critically to the world. Now you're making a fool of yourself. Keep going, the world needs to see it.
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Post by kuatorises on May 17, 2017 18:43:04 GMT
It was supposed to pick up right where Prometheus left off and explore the Engineers' home planet and finish explaining the human origins storyline. He completely reverted to another generic Alien installation. Wtf. I hate Hollywood. who ever said that?
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 18:49:49 GMT
Yeah, someone who says that fiction should never be critiqued has no place thinking he has the right to call me a loser. Basically, all you're done is expose your inability to think critically to the world. Now you're making a fool of yourself. Keep going, the world needs to see it. God, losers like you think you're really tough when you're not forced to actually confront someone in person. I'd love to see you if actually have guts to say this to my face.
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