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Post by alittlebirdie on Jun 9, 2021 20:54:10 GMT
Generally speaking, I believe if a celebrity trashes a film they've done, they're not doing it to offend fans. Usually a celebrity trashes their film because they were disappointed with how it turned out, didn't have a good shooting experience, just did the movie for the money, etc. Sure I guess I can better understand when a movie does poorly. That's the audience saying no; the actor reflects and regrets. Fine. But when an actor says crap about a movie that fans love/ that has taken on a life of it's own, I think it's selfish. I think they fear their career is going to get lost in the whoopla. And maybe they're right, but trashing it is small of character.
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Post by moviemouth on Jun 9, 2021 20:56:59 GMT
Don't be more stupid, Harrison's job relies on him also promoting his movies to potential cinema ticket buyers, if he has zero interest or liking of his own films then why should anyone else give a fuck. Somebody quote me moviemouth has me on ignore. I agree Downey. Hey moviemouth, if you don't care, more power to ya. That's great. It's all just opinions in the long run. Who cares. I still think it's disrespectful to the fans that love the franchise, and you don't. Fine. Let's live and let live.  I'll respond to your reply now. I am not bothered by the fact that people are annoyed by it, though mad about it is a bit extreme I think. I mean is this something that is affecting your life or anyone else's life in any significant way? It is because I don't take offense by actors saying bad stuff about their movies that I don't feel it is disrespectful to the fans. To the other people who worked on the movie I can understand, but that is different. That would be more taken personally. Unless the actor straight up says "The fans are idiots for liking this movie" then I don't see it as disrespectful. Maybe Downey can take a page out of your book and be a respectful human being. Let me know when that happens and he will no longer have to speak through you to get to me. It takes a lot for me to put someone on ignore.
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Post by moviemouth on Jun 9, 2021 21:00:07 GMT
Good point, they have a right to their feelings. I get it. But.... But what about the fact that IT'S what catapulted you into stardom! I'm not really a Star Wars fan, but my nephew was from a childhood. I'm very protective of my nephew  meanwhile he probably doesn't care himself. lol Must be some nephew!
Cheers.
That is what I call overprotective to the point of being harmful. Sounds like some late millennial shit.  I'm just having some fun now, so don't take it the wrong way little birdie.
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Post by moviemouth on Jun 9, 2021 21:01:41 GMT
Generally speaking, I believe if a celebrity trashes a film they've done, they're not doing it to offend fans. Usually a celebrity trashes their film because they were disappointed with how it turned out, didn't have a good shooting experience, just did the movie for the money, etc. Sure I guess I can better understand when a movie does poorly. That's the audience saying no; the actor reflects and regrets. Fine. But when an actor says crap about a movie that fans love/ that has taken on a life of it's own, I think it's selfish. I think they fear their career is going to get lost in the whoopla. And maybe they're right, but trashing it is small of character. That I agree with unless asked directly what they think of the film. That would be lying and that is even smaller of character.
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Post by Cat on Jun 9, 2021 21:15:35 GMT
Must be some nephew!
Cheers.
That is what I call overprotective to the point of being harmful. Sounds like some late millennial shit. I'm just having some fun now, so don't take it the wrong way little birdie. You never know who might be super touchy, but fun is good!
Alec Guinness always struck me as the bigger pill on set. Depending who you ask, he hated it, thought it was junk and entirely beneath him; if you ask someone else, he grew to love it and was upset that his character was killed off in the first movie. The truth is somewhere in the middle, because he definitely struck me as a man who still had 'for he's a jolly good fellow' from Bridge on the River Kwai running through his head.
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Post by moviemouth on Jun 9, 2021 21:23:05 GMT
That is what I call overprotective to the point of being harmful. Sounds like some late millennial shit. I'm just having some fun now, so don't take it the wrong way little birdie. You never know who might be super touchy, but fun is good!
Alec Guinness always struck me as the bigger pill on set. Depending who you ask, he hated it, thought it was junk and entirely beneath him; if you ask someone else, he grew to love it and was upset that his character was killed off in the first movie. The truth is somewhere in the middle, because he definitely struck me as a man who still had 'for he's a jolly good fellow' from Bridge on the River Kwai running through his head.
I watched one interview where he wasn't that hard on it. The question is, why did he accept the role if he felt it was so beneath him? Must have been a big paycheck. I get it and it does show lack of character in some cases, but the OP is talking about offending the fans. I agree it is a bit hypocritical, but I have never been personally offended by it.
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Post by alittlebirdie on Jun 9, 2021 21:23:12 GMT
I agree Downey. Hey moviemouth, if you don't care, more power to ya. That's great. It's all just opinions in the long run. Who cares. I still think it's disrespectful to the fans that love the franchise, and you don't. Fine. Let's live and let live. I'll respond to your reply now. I am not bothered by the fact that people are annoyed by it, though mad about it is a bit extreme I think. I mean is this something that is affecting your life or anyone else's life in any significant way? It is because I don't take offense by actors saying bad stuff about their movies that I don't feel it is disrespectful to the fans. To the other people who worked on the movie I can understand, but that is different. That would be more taken personally. Unless the actor straight up says "The fans are idiots for liking this movie" then I don't see it as disrespectful. Maybe Downey can take a page out of your book and be a respectful human being. Let me know when that happens and he will no longer have to speak through you to get to me. It takes a lot for me to put someone on ignore. I actually think it's great when fans can totally separate the actor from the character. The actor goes on to create a new character, (hopefully!) and then that character has it's own entity apart from the actor and so on. I guess I'm not as good at that separation as I should be. I don't become a stalker of the person/actor per se, but I do become interested, and when it turns out they're ass holes I feel disappointed. While I don't think we should overly care about the actor and what they think, I do think anyone in the public eye becomes a role model whether they like it or not. How they relate and what they say matters. They get a platform and people are listening, maybe not you, but many are. I think they should respect those listening, and speaking well of the project is part of respect. That's the price/ privilege of being in the public eye.
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Post by moviemouth on Jun 9, 2021 21:31:24 GMT
I'll respond to your reply now. I am not bothered by the fact that people are annoyed by it, though mad about it is a bit extreme I think. I mean is this something that is affecting your life or anyone else's life in any significant way? It is because I don't take offense by actors saying bad stuff about their movies that I don't feel it is disrespectful to the fans. To the other people who worked on the movie I can understand, but that is different. That would be more taken personally. Unless the actor straight up says "The fans are idiots for liking this movie" then I don't see it as disrespectful. Maybe Downey can take a page out of your book and be a respectful human being. Let me know when that happens and he will no longer have to speak through you to get to me. It takes a lot for me to put someone on ignore. I actually think it's great when fans can totally separate the actor from the character. The actor goes on to create a new character, (hopefully!) and then that character has it's own entity apart from the actor and so on. I guess I'm not as good at that separation as I should be. I don't become a stalker of the person/actor per se, but I do become interested, and when it turns out they're ass holes I feel disappointed. While I don't think we should overly care about the actor and what they think, I do think anyone in the public eye becomes a role model whether they like it or not. How they relate and what they say matters. They get a platform and people are listening, maybe not you, but many are. I think they should respect those listening, and speaking well of the project is part of respect. That's the price/ privilege of being in the public eye. People looking at actors, singers etc. as role models is extremely problematic to be begin with imo. Actors need to be seen as what they are. Mere entertainers. You want a role model you are looking in the wrong place.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2021 21:41:37 GMT
I'm probably a little hypocritical here. I'm annoyed when Mark Hamill dogwhistles to TLJ haters, but then the entire cast ripping on TRoS amuses me. Guess it depends on how much I like or dislike the movie, and how entitled the actor is. A counterexample is Rooney Mara with the Elm Street remake. That movie is truly awful, yet her uppity attitude because she as a nobody with a rich/powerful family had to make her bones in a high profile horror franchise is off-putting.
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Post by Cat on Jun 9, 2021 21:48:21 GMT
You never know who might be super touchy, but fun is good!
Alec Guinness always struck me as the bigger pill on set. Depending who you ask, he hated it, thought it was junk and entirely beneath him; if you ask someone else, he grew to love it and was upset that his character was killed off in the first movie. The truth is somewhere in the middle, because he definitely struck me as a man who still had 'for he's a jolly good fellow' from Bridge on the River Kwai running through his head.
I watched one interview where he wasn't that hard on it. The question is, why did he accept the role if he felt it was so beneath him? Must have been a big paycheck. I get it and it does show lack of character in some cases, but the OP is talking about offending the fans. I agree it is a bit hypocritical, but I have never been personally offended by it. After some digging after watching Oliver Stone's The Hand, I learned Michael Caine considers it one of his 'paycheque movies'. It could have been the same for Guinness and Star Wars.
I'm not usually offended as a fan either. Once in a blue moon I think suck it up you insufferable asshole, but then my backup system kicks in and I remember that actors have feelings too. I guess you have to get to a level like his before you can even consider biting the hand that feeds.
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Post by moviemouth on Jun 9, 2021 22:01:48 GMT
I watched one interview where he wasn't that hard on it. The question is, why did he accept the role if he felt it was so beneath him? Must have been a big paycheck. I get it and it does show lack of character in some cases, but the OP is talking about offending the fans. I agree it is a bit hypocritical, but I have never been personally offended by it. After some digging after watching Oliver Stone's The Hand, I learned Michael Caine considers it one of his 'paycheque movies'. It could have been the same for Guinness and Star Wars.
I'm not usually offended as a fan either. Once in a blue moon I think suck it up you insufferable asshole, but then my backup system kicks in and I remember that actors have feelings too. I guess you have to get to a level like his before you can even consider biting the hand that feeds.
Yes, the ultimate problem for the actor is biting off the hand that feeds. This would only effect me if it was an actor I am a big fan of and him running his mouth loses him work in good movies. Michael Caine famously does many movies just for the paycheck. I think most actors do in many cases, at least eventually.
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Post by Cat on Jun 9, 2021 22:47:42 GMT
After some digging after watching Oliver Stone's The Hand, I learned Michael Caine considers it one of his 'paycheque movies'. It could have been the same for Guinness and Star Wars.
I'm not usually offended as a fan either. Once in a blue moon I think suck it up you insufferable asshole, but then my backup system kicks in and I remember that actors have feelings too. I guess you have to get to a level like his before you can even consider biting the hand that feeds.
Yes, the ultimate problem for the actor is biting off the hand that feeds. This would only effect me if it was an actor I am a big fan of and him running his mouth loses him work in good movies. Michael Caine famously does many movies just for the paycheck. I think most actors do in many cases, at least eventually. As do I. I was surprised to hear so blunt a term as paycheque movies, but it makes sense.
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Post by ck100 on Jun 9, 2021 23:03:12 GMT
"Michael Caine famously does many movies just for the paycheck. I think most actors do in many cases, at least eventually."
Case in point:
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Jun 10, 2021 0:48:53 GMT
I remember seeing Mel Gibson do an interview for the movie Million Dollar Hotel where he basically told everybody that the movie was terrible and that they shouldn't waste money on it.
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Post by millar70 on Jun 10, 2021 1:07:51 GMT
Orson Welles disliked many of the films that he was kind of forced into acting in to provide finance for his own projects.
I know in particular, he said that The Long Hot Summer was the worst thing he had ever appeared in, though you must take most things he said with a grain of salt.
He definitely appeared in much worse films than that particular one.
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Post by Prime etc. on Jun 10, 2021 1:30:48 GMT
Shia LaBeouf also critiqued Crystal Skull.
And he said Harrison Ford told him he was a "fucking idiot" for speaking out on it.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 10, 2021 1:31:35 GMT
Charlize Theron hates Reindeer Games and still expresses embarrassment in taking part of it to this day, not sure why though - True, it isn't a very good movie but she's been in worse and out of it she worked with the legendary John Frankenheimer.
Oscar Isaac is embarrassed to have been in All About the Benjamins.
Forrest Whitaker apologized for taking part in Battlefield Earth.
Channing Tatum said he hated working on G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra and didn't like how it turned out in the end, and prefers the sequel Retaliation over it.
Margot Kidder described The Amityville Horror as a piece of sh!t.
Alan Ritchson has described the making of the first of the two Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles films he was in as Raphael was being extremely exhausting and frustrating, though he didn't say the movies were terrible necessarily.
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