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Post by cupcakes on May 17, 2017 15:10:04 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 17:39:45 GMT
tickingmask As reasonable a justification as any other, I suppose.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 18:41:21 GMT
What an odd view. Unusual, but not odd. If you and your mating partner had some terrible genes that could be passed on to the offspring and cause them to have a disability that would make life torture, then you might reconsider whether it was morally acceptable to take that risk on someone else's behalf. Antinatalism is the same in principle, except it involves taking into account all of the risks and deciding that it's wrong to impose those risks without consent. Not only for that child, but also any other life form which may be negatively impacted. I'm sure you don't believe that there are disembodied souls floating about the ether waiting for incarnation into corporeal form, in which case, an unborn child does not lament the experiences that it will not enjoy. It is deprived of naught, and a potential life form is spared the risk.
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Post by Jillian on May 17, 2017 18:43:44 GMT
There are many answers, but it's not the "being up at 3:45am" one. "You know what's great about having a kid?"Hopefully, for me ideally, it would mean that one has found the love of one´s life and thus created something that is an extension of that love. More valuable than gold and forever cherished.
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Post by Cinemachinery on May 17, 2017 19:00:38 GMT
What an odd view. Unusual, but not odd. If you and your mating partner had some terrible genes that could be passed on to the offspring and cause them to have a disability that would make life torture, then you might reconsider whether it was morally acceptable to take that risk on someone else's behalf. Antinatalism is the same in principle, except it involves taking into account all of the risks and deciding that it's wrong to impose those risks without consent. Not only for that child, but also any other life form which may be negatively impacted. I'm sure you don't believe that there are disembodied souls floating about the ether waiting for incarnation into corporeal form, in which case, an unborn child does not lament the experiences that it will not enjoy. It is deprived of naught, and a potential life form is spared the risk. Any philosophy the actual realization of which would result in the inability to even contemplate it due to discontinued existence is a little off to me.
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Post by Jonesy1 on May 17, 2017 19:35:42 GMT
What an odd view. Unusual, but not odd. If you and your mating partner had some terrible genes that could be passed on to the offspring and cause them to have a disability that would make life torture, then you might reconsider whether it was morally acceptable to take that risk on someone else's behalf. Antinatalism is the same in principle, except it involves taking into account all of the risks and deciding that it's wrong to impose those risks without consent. Not only for that child, but also any other life form which may be negatively impacted. I'm sure you don't believe that there are disembodied souls floating about the ether waiting for incarnation into corporeal form, in which case, an unborn child does not lament the experiences that it will not enjoy. It is deprived of naught, and a potential life form is spared the risk. No it's odd.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 23:22:30 GMT
Unusual, but not odd. If you and your mating partner had some terrible genes that could be passed on to the offspring and cause them to have a disability that would make life torture, then you might reconsider whether it was morally acceptable to take that risk on someone else's behalf. Antinatalism is the same in principle, except it involves taking into account all of the risks and deciding that it's wrong to impose those risks without consent. Not only for that child, but also any other life form which may be negatively impacted. I'm sure you don't believe that there are disembodied souls floating about the ether waiting for incarnation into corporeal form, in which case, an unborn child does not lament the experiences that it will not enjoy. It is deprived of naught, and a potential life form is spared the risk. Any philosophy the actual realization of which would result in the inability to even contemplate it due to discontinued existence is a little off to me. That doesn't make the philosophy illogical. It's true that the ultimate goal of the philosophy would be to make the philosophy unnecessary and obsolete at some point in the future, but once the philosophy has achieved its goal there is no need for it.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 23:24:44 GMT
Unusual, but not odd. If you and your mating partner had some terrible genes that could be passed on to the offspring and cause them to have a disability that would make life torture, then you might reconsider whether it was morally acceptable to take that risk on someone else's behalf. Antinatalism is the same in principle, except it involves taking into account all of the risks and deciding that it's wrong to impose those risks without consent. Not only for that child, but also any other life form which may be negatively impacted. I'm sure you don't believe that there are disembodied souls floating about the ether waiting for incarnation into corporeal form, in which case, an unborn child does not lament the experiences that it will not enjoy. It is deprived of naught, and a potential life form is spared the risk. No it's odd. I realise it's "odd" to you. But "normal" to you would relate to Jewish zombies who were sent down by themselves in the form of their own father to suffer for sins that they (in the form of their father) created in the first place through their flawed design, because that same zombie in the form of his own father cannot forgive the products of his design for the flaws that he, the designer, gave us. So I'm not concerned that you think that antinatalism is odd.
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Post by theoncomingstorm on May 18, 2017 2:32:30 GMT
Having somebody to go squirrel hunting with in six years, rabbit hunting in seven and deer hunting in eight, then when she's twelve and kills her first bear and acts like it's no big deal you can brag forever.
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Post by Marv on May 18, 2017 4:09:05 GMT
Is that how you lost your eye?
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Post by Jonesy1 on May 18, 2017 4:17:46 GMT
I realise it's "odd" to you. But "normal" to you would relate to Jewish zombies who were sent down by themselves in the form of their own father to suffer for sins that they (in the form of their father) created in the first place through their flawed design, because that same zombie in the form of his own father cannot forgive the products of his design for the flaws that he, the designer, gave us. So I'm not concerned that you think that antinatalism is odd. So you're going to pretend to know what I think is normal. How cute.
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Post by Cinemachinery on May 18, 2017 21:49:48 GMT
Welp, humanity being extinct sure reduces the necessity of philosophy! Odd. The only way I'd give this line of thought some credence would be seeing existing human beings immediately killing themselves out of the horror of day to day existence. That instead we see a tenacious clinging to life, even in the areas which see vast suffering of one sort or another, tells me existence is worth it.
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Post by Marv on May 19, 2017 0:39:12 GMT
Knowing where exactly your kid sleeps. Amiright?
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Post by gadreel on May 19, 2017 2:22:04 GMT
There are many answers, but it's not the "being up at 3:45am" one. "You know what's great about having a kid?"Hopefully, for me ideally, it would mean that one has found the love of one´s life and thus created something that is an extension of that love. More valuable than gold and forever cherished. Might not always work like that, I am in a bitter separation with the mother of my girl, but my daughter is still the best thing that ever happened to me.
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Post by gadreel on May 19, 2017 2:23:38 GMT
Knowing where exactly your kid sleeps. Amiright? Knowing that Blade could never find her in a million years.
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Post by OldSamVimes on May 19, 2017 10:07:21 GMT
One thing I always appreciate is that a pregnant lady cannot get more pregnant.
Birth control is a pain in the ass. With a pregnant lady, the worst has already happened.
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Post by Jillian on May 19, 2017 16:13:20 GMT
"You know what's great about having a kid?"Hopefully, for me ideally, it would mean that one has found the love of one´s life and thus created something that is an extension of that love. More valuable than gold and forever cherished. Might not always work like that, I am in a bitter separation with the mother of my girl, but my daughter is still the best thing that ever happened to me. Yes, I know. Great for You that You've got your daughter and my last line above is for you! Life is complicated and does not always go according to plans. It is what it is, c' est la vie. I wish you well.
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Post by blade on May 19, 2017 17:35:25 GMT
Might not always work like that, I am in a bitter separation with the mother of my girl, but my daughter is still the best thing that ever happened to me. Yes, I know. Great for You that You've got your daughter and my last line above is for you! Life is complicated and does not always go according to plans. It is what it is, c' est la vie. I wish you well. It's his stepdaughter. He said this multiple times on the old board. I doubt there will be any type of relationship with his "daughter" at all now.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 17:42:03 GMT
Yes, I know. Great for You that You've got your daughter and my last line above is for you! Life is complicated and does not always go according to plans. It is what it is, c' est la vie. I wish you well. It's his stepdaughter. He said this multiple times on the old board. I doubt there will be any type of relationship with his "daughter" at all now. That wasn't very nice of you was it Blade. Perhaps you'd care to tell us what happened to the daughter you briefly invented on the old board.
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Post by blade on May 19, 2017 17:44:17 GMT
It's his stepdaughter. He said this multiple times on the old board. I doubt there will be any type of relationship with his "daughter" at all now. That wasn't very nice of you was it Blade. Perhaps you'd care to tell us what happened to the daughter you briefly invented on the old board. The truth isn't nice?
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