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Post by Cat on Jun 21, 2021 19:43:11 GMT
Agreed. My the time the MCU rolled around she was already famous.
Guess we have different definitions for the word "famous". Scarjo was a rising star prior to the MCU and she wasn't an unknown name like Hemsworth and Hiddleston, but I wouldn't exactly have called her famous. Famous would have been someone like Angelina Jolie at that time. A-Listers. Scarjo was about as "famous" as Kate Beckinsale or Jessica Biel. A known name, but not exactly a household name and not exactly someone who could easily get big projects. In fact she had to fight hard for the Black Widow role and wouldn't even have gotten it had Emily Blunt not declined the offer. I suppose it's relative. Emily Blunt wasn't a name for me until Looper. I'd probably seen her, but I didn't know her name until then. Whereas with Scarlet Johansson, I've known her since Ghost World and Lost in Translation. The latter is the big one. It was an Oscar nominated movie, she was alongside Bill Murray, directed by Sofia Coppola.
I wouldn't take Emily Blunt declining Black Widow with too much heart. Jodie Foster blossomed her way into serious Hollywood immortality with Silence of the Lambs, despite already having a career. But Michelle Pfeiffer declined playing Clarice Sterling and the rest is history.
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Post by politicidal on Jun 21, 2021 22:19:17 GMT
Agreed. My the time the MCU rolled around she was already famous.
Guess we have different definitions for the word "famous". Scarjo was a rising star prior to the MCU and she wasn't an unknown name like Hemsworth and Hiddleston, but I wouldn't exactly have called her famous. Famous would have been someone like Angelina Jolie at that time. A-Listers. Scarjo was about as "famous" as Kate Beckinsale or Jessica Biel. A known name, but not exactly a household name and not exactly someone who could easily get big projects. In fact she had to fight hard for the Black Widow role and wouldn't even have gotten it had Emily Blunt not declined the offer. Indeed, to think it was because of Emily Blunt's contractual obligation to the Jack Black movie Gulliver's Travels. Scarlett Johansson is probably the only person who's glad that movie exists.
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Post by Prime etc. on Jun 21, 2021 22:34:44 GMT
Infinity Saga, yes. Future? Uncertain. It could be a hindrance one day. Star Wars never even proved itself even with the prequel hype & Disney to follow, & those roles were supposed to be life changers. Hayden Christenson & Daisy Ridley... might as well be your local Starbucks baristas. Now you make think the girl who served me a banana bread could be a Jedi. Kind of looks like Ridley too.
Even the original Star Wars never benefited--only Harrison Ford did--and probably more from Indiana Jones than Han Solo The other two did not get much benefit beyond steady employment.
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Post by Downey on Jun 22, 2021 0:09:24 GMT
Agreed. My the time the MCU rolled around she was already famous.
Guess we have different definitions for the word "famous". Scarjo was a rising star prior to the MCU and she wasn't an unknown name like Hemsworth and Hiddleston, but I wouldn't exactly have called her famous. Famous would have been someone like Angelina Jolie at that time. A-Listers. Scarjo was about as "famous" as Kate Beckinsale or Jessica Biel. A known name, but not exactly a household name and not exactly someone who could easily get big projects. In fact she had to fight hard for the Black Widow role and wouldn't even have gotten it had Emily Blunt not declined the offer. You do know most over 60s would probably still not know who Scarlett Johansson is right? Regardless of the Avengers. A "household name" to me is a whole family from grandparents to grandchildren knowing who someone is? Now, the grandkids will have that sorted not sure about the grandparents though.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 22, 2021 1:47:30 GMT
Guess we have different definitions for the word "famous". Scarjo was a rising star prior to the MCU and she wasn't an unknown name like Hemsworth and Hiddleston, but I wouldn't exactly have called her famous. Famous would have been someone like Angelina Jolie at that time. A-Listers. Scarjo was about as "famous" as Kate Beckinsale or Jessica Biel. A known name, but not exactly a household name and not exactly someone who could easily get big projects. In fact she had to fight hard for the Black Widow role and wouldn't even have gotten it had Emily Blunt not declined the offer. You do know most over 60s would probably still not know who Scarlett Johansson is right? Regardless of the Avengers. A "household name" to me is a whole family from grandparents to grandchildren knowing who someone is? Now, the grandkids will have that sorted not sure about the grandparents though. I'd argue that's not what a household name is. A household name is a name famous enough that it's recognized in most households, but that doesn't mean everyone in the household knows who they are. Someone like Brad Pitt or Samuel L. Jackson are household names. Known by most households but not necessarily all people from all generations inside a household. If you're talking about names that are recognizable across multiple generations by pretty much everyone in the world, like Bruce Lee or Elvis Presley, then that’s no longer a household name. You're describing someone whose reached full iconic status and possibly even legendary status.
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Post by Cat on Jun 22, 2021 3:21:42 GMT
You do know most over 60s would probably still not know who Scarlett Johansson is right? Regardless of the Avengers. A "household name" to me is a whole family from grandparents to grandchildren knowing who someone is? Now, the grandkids will have that sorted not sure about the grandparents though. I'd argue that's not what a household name is. A household name is a name famous enough that it's recognized in most households, but that doesn't mean everyone in the household knows who they are. Someone like Brad Pitt or Samuel L. Jackson are household names. Known by most households but not necessarily all people from all generations inside a household. If you're talking about names that are recognizable across multiple generations by pretty much everyone in the world, like Bruce Lee or Elvis Presley, then that’s no longer a household name. You're describing someone whose reached full iconic status and possibly even legendary status. That I agree with much more. I think we have mostly the same idea, I just think Scarlet Johansson was there first. She had a 9 year head start. She was in 12 movies before before Blunt. Lost in Translation, where she was a main character, came out the year of Emily Blunt's first movie.
Personally I wouldn't even put Jessica Biel or Kate Beckinsdale near them. Even now, I know Kate Beckinsdale for Pearl Harbor and at least one good Underworld movie. Jessica Biel, even less. 7th Heaven the TV show and I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry. I think she was in Texas Chainsaw Massacre; I remember the long shot of her ass in a commercial once.
Emily Blunt I had to go back for, because I didn't know who she was in The Devil Wears Prada. Looper is what made me start noticing her everywhere. Edge of Tomorrow sealed the deal.
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Post by mstreepsucks on Jun 22, 2021 4:13:49 GMT
It'll help them being known mostly for roles that aren't 'real' roles. Another brain numbing comment. Real roles? What did you reach out into the TV to touch RDJ as Iron Man and scream like crazy that he actually showed up for filming that day or what the fuck? Maybe , I don't get what you're trying to say. I suppose my comment was not that clear maybe i should explain a little more right?
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 22, 2021 4:27:17 GMT
I'd argue that's not what a household name is. A household name is a name famous enough that it's recognized in most households, but that doesn't mean everyone in the household knows who they are. Someone like Brad Pitt or Samuel L. Jackson are household names. Known by most households but not necessarily all people from all generations inside a household. If you're talking about names that are recognizable across multiple generations by pretty much everyone in the world, like Bruce Lee or Elvis Presley, then that’s no longer a household name. You're describing someone whose reached full iconic status and possibly even legendary status. That I agree with much more. I think we have mostly the same idea, I just think Scarlet Johansson was there first. She had a 9 year head start. She was in 12 movies before before Blunt. Lost in Translation, where she was a main character, came out the year of Emily Blunt's first movie.
Personally I wouldn't even put Jessica Biel or Kate Beckinsdale near them. Even now, I know Kate Beckinsdale for Pearl Harbor and at least one good Underworld movie. Jessica Biel, even less. 7th Heaven the TV show and I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry. I think she was in Texas Chainsaw Massacre; I remember the long shot of her ass in a commercial once.
Emily Blunt I had to go back for, because I didn't know who she was in The Devil Wears Prada. Looper is what made me start noticing her everywhere. Edge of Tomorrow sealed the deal.
To be fair, at the time of IM2, I'd consider Emily Blunt even less known than Scarjo. I agree with that. The main point I was making with Scarjo was that I don't think she could have made it this big if it wasn’t for the MCU. In my own opinion (only), she doesn't have either the talent or the charisma to consistently get high profile projects on her own if the MCU hadn't boosted her career. Blunt, though getting into the spotlight later than Scarjo, is more talented and would survive better on her own even without a massive franchise to back her up.
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Post by mstreepsucks on Jun 23, 2021 4:28:57 GMT
It'll help them being known mostly for roles that aren't 'real' roles. What makes a role transcend beyond reality into unreality? Well at one point at the end of one of the avengers films, about half of them just evaporate or vanish. If i remember correctly. And if i also remember correctly most of them end up coming back, somehow.
The way i see it, that makes the roles somewhat not real.
I could be totally wrong.
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