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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jun 26, 2021 20:05:33 GMT
Don't know much about you. Have you ever used the term "forced diversity"?
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Post by moviemouth on Jun 26, 2021 21:15:30 GMT
I doubt it.
Most people aren't. There are a handful of boxes that need to be checked off in order for someone to fit in that extreme category.
Do you think the white race is superior to other races?
Do you think other races should have less rights?
Do you want all other races forced out of the U.S. or worse?
If none of those fit you than you are not a white supremacist imo.
There are levels of racial bias that do not fit in with the white supremacist definition. Most people have a bias towards their own race whether they admit it or not.
Still, race is a social construct. The human race all started the same in the beginning. Likely a shade of brown, then we branched off and started to look different from each other, and from there all sorts of biases and preferences began.
I think there is a lot of nuance that is ignored in these kinds of conversations, such as cognitive dissonance. You have to try and find your way out of those traps, but sometimes it is impossible. We as a human race are flawed thinkers, overly emotional and weak in too many ways.
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Post by autumn on Jun 27, 2021 1:46:34 GMT
I don't think most people are, but I think many get labeled as such as a default by mere existence.
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Post by gameboy on Jun 27, 2021 7:28:54 GMT
I doubt it. Most people aren't. There are a handful of boxes that need to be checked off in order for someone to fit in that extreme category. Do you think the white race is superior to other races? Do you think other races should have less rights? Do you want all other races forced out of the U.S. or worse? If none of those fit you than you are not a white supremacist imo. There are levels of racial bias that do not fit in with the white supremacist definition. Most people have a bias towards their own race whether they admit it or not. Still, race is a social construct. The human race all started the same in the beginning. Likely a shade of brown, then we branched off and started to look different from each other, and from there all sorts of biases and preferences began. I think there is a lot of nuance that is ignored in these kinds of conversations, such as cognitive dissonance. You have to try and find your way out of those traps, but sometimes it is impossible. We as a human race are flawed thinkers, overly emotional and weak in too many ways. Humans are a species, not a race.
And race is a social construct only because most everything described by language is a social construct. But race is very real. Compare a Swede to a Zulu and it's quite obvious they have very different genetic makeups. So while it may be difficult to pinpoint where on an ethnological map whites stop and blacks begin, it's evident when you look at a Swede and a Zulu you're looking at two different races.
It's also possible to be a white supremacist who believes whites are superior and believe in the legal concept of "separate but equal".
And white supremacists believe there are concrete reasons to believe people with European ancestry are superior to people with African ancestry or East Asian ancestry. The technological advances in "white" cultures compared to the rest of world can be used as proof of superiority, if one is so inclined.
Can a white colonialist who brought the cure for malaria to the Congo not possess a smug sense of superiority? He saved lives, didn't he? We could also talk about electricity and automobiles and a thousand other inventions. Would the Congolese have them without white colonialism?
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Post by moviemouth on Jun 27, 2021 7:59:07 GMT
I doubt it. Most people aren't. There are a handful of boxes that need to be checked off in order for someone to fit in that extreme category. Do you think the white race is superior to other races? Do you think other races should have less rights? Do you want all other races forced out of the U.S. or worse? If none of those fit you than you are not a white supremacist imo. There are levels of racial bias that do not fit in with the white supremacist definition. Most people have a bias towards their own race whether they admit it or not. Still, race is a social construct. The human race all started the same in the beginning. Likely a shade of brown, then we branched off and started to look different from each other, and from there all sorts of biases and preferences began. I think there is a lot of nuance that is ignored in these kinds of conversations, such as cognitive dissonance. You have to try and find your way out of those traps, but sometimes it is impossible. We as a human race are flawed thinkers, overly emotional and weak in too many ways. Humans are a species, not a race.
And race is a social construct only because most everything described by language is a social construct. But race is very real. Compare a Swede to a Zulu and it's quite obvious they have very different genetic makeups. So while it may be difficult to pinpoint where on an ethnological map whites stop and blacks begin, it's evident when you look at a Swede and a Zulu you're looking at two different races.
It's also possible to be a white supremacist who believes whites are superior and believe in the legal concept of "separate but equal".
And white supremacists believe there are concrete reasons to believe people with European ancestry are superior to people with African ancestry or East Asian ancestry. The technological advances in "white" cultures compared to the rest of world can be used as proof of superiority, if one is so inclined.
Can a white colonialist who brought the cure for malaria to the Congo not possess a smug sense of superiority? He saved lives, didn't he? We could also talk about electricity and automobiles and a thousand other inventions. Would the Congolese have them without white colonialism?
I was using it in "the human race" way. Yes, I am aware we are a species. Everyone has a different genetic make-up in certain ways. Redheads have a different genetic make-up than blondes. It is a distinction that tends to do extreme harm, as the past and present have shown repeatedly. We are all the same SPECIES and everything else is a spectrum of variances. Now when it comes to which races had the first technological advances, well then, Egyptians (dark skinned) would be before Europeans (light skinned). One white colonist or even a group curing malaria or a picking just his race as being superior in a time of complete social ignorance is ridiculous. That group should feel superior to everybody if you are going down that route, not just towards other races. A white supremacist is someone who thinks his race is superior to other races, not just himself and his small group. That would make him a tribalist more than anything. The thinking of a white supremacist is the every member of their race is superior to ever member of a different race. Now if someone is a closeted white supremacist that is somehow able to keep this thought to himself and not let it bleed over into reality, that is nobody's problem but their own. If there are such people, they aren't the problem. Though I don't believe such people are possible given the common definition of white supremacist. If your have a different definintion of white supremacist, than maybe I am raising a straw man. This is the most common defintion. a person who believes that white people constitute a superior race and should therefore dominate society, typically to the exclusion or detriment of other racial and ethnic groups, in particular black or Jewish people.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Jun 27, 2021 8:27:40 GMT
Don't know much about you. Have you ever used the term "forced diversity"? You mean like this? 
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Jun 27, 2021 8:29:03 GMT
I don't think most people are, but I think many get labeled as such as a default by mere existence. Usually this happens after open their mouths.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Jun 27, 2021 8:38:19 GMT
Humans are a species, not a race.
And race is a social construct only because most everything described by language is a social construct. But race is very real. Compare a Swede to a Zulu and it's quite obvious they have very different genetic makeups. So while it may be difficult to pinpoint where on an ethnological map whites stop and blacks begin, it's evident when you look at a Swede and a Zulu you're looking at two different races.
It's also possible to be a white supremacist who believes whites are superior and believe in the legal concept of "separate but equal".
And white supremacists believe there are concrete reasons to believe people with European ancestry are superior to people with African ancestry or East Asian ancestry. The technological advances in "white" cultures compared to the rest of world can be used as proof of superiority, if one is so inclined.
Can a white colonialist who brought the cure for malaria to the Congo not possess a smug sense of superiority? He saved lives, didn't he? We could also talk about electricity and automobiles and a thousand other inventions. Would the Congolese have them without white colonialism?
I was using it in "the human race" way. Yes, I am aware we are a species. Everyone has a different genetic make-up in certain ways. Redheads have a different genetic make-up than blondes. It is a distinction that tends to do extreme harm, as the past and present have shown repeatedly. We are all the same SPECIES and everything else is a spectrum of variances. Now when it comes to which races had the first technological advances, well then, Egyptians would be before Europeans. One white colonist or even a group curing malaria or a picking just his race as being superior in a time of complete social ignorance is ridiculous. That group should feel superior to everybody if you are going down that route, not just towards other races. A white supremacist is someone who thinks his race is superior to other races, not just himself and his small group. That would make him a tribalist more than anything. The thinking of a white supremacist is the every member of their race is superior to ever member of a different race. Now if someone is a closeted white supremacist that is somehow able to keep this thought to himself and not let it bleed over into reality, that is nobody's problem but their own. If there are such people, they aren't the problem. Though I don't believe such people are possible given the common definition of white supremacist. If your have a different definintion of white supremacist, than maybe I am raising a straw man. This is the most common defintion. a person who believes that white people constitute a superior race and should therefore dominate society, typically to the exclusion or detriment of other racial and ethnic groups, in particular black or Jewish people.
In volume two Allen relies on the primary sources to show how the “white race” was invented as a bourgeois social control formation by the planter bourgeoisie in the latter part of the 17th century. The 'white race' as described by Allen was based on a series of racial privileges first put in place in the latter third of the 17th century by the Planter bourgeoisie to divide and control a rebellious agrarian proletariat composed of European-American and African-American laborers in the Chesapeake Bay colonies of Virginia and Maryland. The character of these privileges laid the basis for the “white identity” that altered the class stand but not the class position of the European-American laborers (both bond and free), who were officially now defined as “white” through a series of laws passed by the Virginia House of Burgesses in 1705 and 1724. Allen finds no mention of the term “white” used in reference to European-Americans in any legal statute or court papers until 1691. indypendent.org/2015/01/the-white-race-was-invented-heres-how-it-happened/In other words, race was invented to help keep Euro-American wages low and African Americans enslaved by the "white" people who benefited economically from this arrangement. Someday I hope you guys figure this out.
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Post by moviemouth on Jun 27, 2021 8:42:52 GMT
I was using it in "the human race" way. Yes, I am aware we are a species. Everyone has a different genetic make-up in certain ways. Redheads have a different genetic make-up than blondes. It is a distinction that tends to do extreme harm, as the past and present have shown repeatedly. We are all the same SPECIES and everything else is a spectrum of variances. Now when it comes to which races had the first technological advances, well then, Egyptians would be before Europeans. One white colonist or even a group curing malaria or a picking just his race as being superior in a time of complete social ignorance is ridiculous. That group should feel superior to everybody if you are going down that route, not just towards other races. A white supremacist is someone who thinks his race is superior to other races, not just himself and his small group. That would make him a tribalist more than anything. The thinking of a white supremacist is the every member of their race is superior to ever member of a different race. Now if someone is a closeted white supremacist that is somehow able to keep this thought to himself and not let it bleed over into reality, that is nobody's problem but their own. If there are such people, they aren't the problem. Though I don't believe such people are possible given the common definition of white supremacist. If your have a different definintion of white supremacist, than maybe I am raising a straw man. This is the most common defintion. a person who believes that white people constitute a superior race and should therefore dominate society, typically to the exclusion or detriment of other racial and ethnic groups, in particular black or Jewish people.
In volume two Allen relies on the primary sources to show how the “white race” was invented as a bourgeois social control formation by the planter bourgeoisie in the latter part of the 17th century. The 'white race' as described by Allen was based on a series of racial privileges first put in place in the latter third of the 17th century by the Planter bourgeoisie to divide and control a rebellious agrarian proletariat composed of European-American and African-American laborers in the Chesapeake Bay colonies of Virginia and Maryland. The character of these privileges laid the basis for the “white identity” that altered the class stand but not the class position of the European-American laborers (both bond and free), who were officially now defined as “white” through a series of laws passed by the Virginia House of Burgesses in 1705 and 1724. Allen finds no mention of the term “white” used in reference to European-Americans in any legal statute or court papers until 1691. indypendent.org/2015/01/the-white-race-was-invented-heres-how-it-happened/In other words, race was invented to help keep Euro-American wages low and African Americans enslaved by the "white" people who benefited economically from this arrangement. Someday I hope you guys figure this out. You and Gameboy can hash that out.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Jun 27, 2021 9:20:26 GMT
“When the first African-American arrived in Virginia in 1619, there were no “white” people there.”
In volume two Allen relies on the primary sources to show how the “white race” was invented as a bourgeois social control formation by the planter bourgeoisie in the latter part of the 17th century. The 'white race' as described by Allen was based on a series of racial privileges first put in place in the latter third of the 17th century by the Planter bourgeoisie to divide and control a rebellious agrarian proletariat composed of European-American and African-American laborers in the Chesapeake Bay colonies of Virginia and Maryland. The character of these privileges laid the basis for the “white identity” that altered the class stand but not the class position of the European-American laborers (both bond and free), who were officially now defined as “white” through a series of laws passed by the Virginia House of Burgesses in 1705 and 1724. Allen finds no mention of the term “white” used in reference to European-Americans in any legal statute or court papers until 1691. indypendent.org/2015/01/the-white-race-was-invented-heres-how-it-happened/In other words, race was invented to help keep Euro-American wages low and African Americans enslaved by the "white" people who benefited economically from this arrangement. Someday I hope you guys figure this out. You and Gameboy can hash that out. It makes sense, doesn't it. Slavery happened and white people have been very, very violent towards black people way out of proportion to any harm black people did while enslaved or under Jim Crow. It seems like now, the GOP wants to pretend slavery never really happened and the Southerners were an oppressed minority who just wanted their freedom from the North.
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Post by Stammerhead on Jun 27, 2021 9:55:37 GMT
You and Gameboy can hash that out. It makes sense, doesn't it. Slavery happened and white people have been very, very violent towards black people way out of proportion to any harm black people did while enslaved or under Jim Crow. It seems like now, the GOP wants to pretend slavery never really happened and the Southerners were an oppressed minority who just wanted their freedom from the North. 
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Post by Sarge on Jun 28, 2021 5:41:42 GMT
In other words, race was invented to help keep Euro-American wages low and African Americans enslaved by the "white" people who benefited economically from this arrangement. Someday I hope you guys figure this out. Yep, race was used by the wealthy to divide lower classes and keep them fighting one another. Wealthy Europeans used similar tactics against the Native Americans to keep them divided, fighting one another, while they were picked off one tribe at a time. The same tactic is used today to divide the American people and keep them at each other's throats. If you ever wonder why a political party always takes a viewpoint opposite of the other party even when it doesn't make sense, like the anti-mask thing, it's to keep people divided. Anyone participating in the rhetoric is playing the game they have been conditioned to play.
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