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Post by Carl LaFong on Jul 1, 2021 13:47:41 GMT
www.foxbusiness.com/sports/bobby-bonilla-day-contract-metsNew York Mets and baseball fans in general painstakingly honor July 1 of each year as "Bobby Bonilla Day" thanks to the old regime’s decision on the retired outfielder’s contract in 2000. Bonilla was a six-time All-Star and won a World Series with the Florida Marlins in 1997. He joined the Mets for his first stint in 1991 and was later traded in July 1995 to the Baltimore Orioles. The Marlins would sign Bonilla in 1996 and then later traded him to the Los Angeles Dodgers in May 1998 and then was traded back to the Mets six months later. Toward the end of his final stint with the Mets, the two parties agreed on a contract buyout in 2000. New York still owed the slugger $5.9 million and agreed to pay him $1.1 million in annual installments starting from 2011 and ending in 2025.* When factoring in a pre-negotiated 8% interest rate, the Mets owe Bonilla about $1.19 million every year on July 1. Bonilla, who hasn’t played in the major leagues since the 2001 season, will keep earning money from the Mets until he’s 72 years old. * That's a misprint. It should be 2035!
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Post by Carl LaFong on Jul 1, 2021 13:51:05 GMT
From 1992 to 1994, Bonilla was the highest-paid player in the league, earning more than $6 million per year. Since 2011, Bonilla has been paid approximately $1.19 million by the New York Mets each year and he will receive that same amount every year until July 1, 2035. Some fans refer to these payments on July 1 as "Bobby Bonilla Day".[2][3] This was part of a deal made when the Mets released Bonilla before the 2000 season while still owing him $5.9 million for the final year of his contract. The deal expires in 2035, at which point Bonilla will have been paid $29.8 million for a season in which he did not even play for the Mets en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Bonilla
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 1, 2021 14:01:39 GMT
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jul 1, 2021 14:31:47 GMT
This is the last year we get to honor Bruce Sutter's ridiculous contract, but for reasons unbeknownst to most of us, his contract gets precious little fanfare.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jul 1, 2021 14:33:42 GMT
From 1992 to 1994, Bonilla was the highest-paid player in the league, earning more than $6 million per year. Since 2011, Bonilla has been paid approximately $1.19 million by the New York Mets each year and he will receive that same amount every year until July 1, 2035. Some fans refer to these payments on July 1 as "Bobby Bonilla Day".[2][3] This was part of a deal made when the Mets released Bonilla before the 2000 season while still owing him $5.9 million for the final year of his contract. The deal expires in 2035, at which point Bonilla will have been paid $29.8 million for a season in which he did not even play for the Mets en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_BonillaNew owner Steve Cohen wanted to lean in to the ridiculousness of it by having an actual "Bobby Bonilla Day" at Citi Field, where Bonilla would be invited, and they would have a pre-game ceremony where they would hand him a Publishers Clearinghouse sized check for his annual payday. Sadly, the Mets are on the road today, but it's an amazing idea and I hope they end up doing it next year.
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Post by millar70 on Jul 1, 2021 21:00:04 GMT
Bonilla is gonna make more money this year than Vlad Jr.
Not sure why this would be celebrated, or even joked about. This is a franchise that has won 2 titles in almost 60 years of baseball, they are constantly in the shadow of a much more successful team in their own city, and they are gonna make an annual tradition of celebrating an awful move that was a total embarrassment.
The Mets have great fans, imagine if they didn't have such a "loser mentality". This Bonilla business isn't something to be glorified. I don't remember the Red Sox throwing a party every year on the day that they sold Babe Ruth to the Yankees.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jul 1, 2021 21:24:24 GMT
Not sure why this would be celebrated, or even joked about. Mostly because a lot of teams have contractual situations like this (with people equally as ineffective as Bonilla - see Bruce Sutter, as referenced above), yet the Bonilla example is the only one people talk about, or even know about in the first place.
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Post by millar70 on Jul 1, 2021 21:33:36 GMT
Not sure why this would be celebrated, or even joked about. Mostly because a lot of teams have contractual situations like this (with people equally as ineffective as Bonilla - see Bruce Sutter, as referenced above), yet the Bonilla example is the only one people talk about, or even know about in the first place. Really? There are a lot of teams in the same situation with contracts like Bonilla? That's news to me. I follow the Red Sox and Giants pretty closely, and I don't believe either team has a situation like that, though I could be wrong.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jul 1, 2021 21:43:21 GMT
Mostly because a lot of teams have contractual situations like this (with people equally as ineffective as Bonilla - see Bruce Sutter, as referenced above), yet the Bonilla example is the only one people talk about, or even know about in the first place. Really? There are a lot of teams in the same situation with contracts like Bonilla? That's news to me. I follow the Red Sox and Giants pretty closely, and I don't believe either team has a situation like that, though I could be wrong. Yup, some of them are players who were much more successful than Bonilla (the Red Sox pay Manny Ramirez nearly $2m per year from 2011 - 2026, probably worth it given how awesome he was) and the Reds pay Griffey Jr. about $3m per year from '09 until 2024 (probably not worth it). To be honest, it gets to my point - nobody really knows about these types of contracts, they just know Bonilla. But they're a lot more prevalent than most people know, including longstanding baseball fans such as yourself. The most glaring example is Bruce Sutter: Then there's Chris Davis, who will receive $3.5m from 2023 until 2032, and then $1.4m from 2033 - 2037. Todd Helton, Paul Konerko, Matt Holliday, Kevin Garnett, and others are still on active payrolls. Prince Fielder made $24m last year and since he wasn't part of the pro rata salary group of the covid-year, that means Fielder was baseball's highest player last year (the last year of his contract). That's right. Also, as part of Chris Sale's deal, he'll get $10m per year from 2035 - 2039.
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Post by ThreeSticks on Jul 1, 2021 21:44:08 GMT
This is the last year we get to honor Bruce Sutter's ridiculous contract, but for reasons unbeknownst to most of us, his contract gets precious little fanfare. I've been beating the Sutter drum for years. It's arguably the greatest negotiated player contract ever signed in any sport.
This year is Sutter's last interest payment. Next year, he will receive the $9.1 million principle.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jul 1, 2021 21:47:39 GMT
This is the last year we get to honor Bruce Sutter's ridiculous contract, but for reasons unbeknownst to most of us, his contract gets precious little fanfare. I've been beating the Sutter drum for years. It's arguably the greatest negotiated player contract ever signed in any sport.
This year is Sutter's last interest payment. Next year, he will receive the $9.1 million principle. Yup, and that's why it always amuses me when people try to wield Bonilla's deal as some sort of outlier when it's not nearly as uncommon as people think. Plus, deferred money can be quite beneficial for the teams when you factor in the time value of money. Frankly, if the Mets didn't get hosed on Madoff (which is another story), they could have used a tiny piece of (projected) those returns to pay Bonilla without dipping into their own pockets. It practically would have been free. AND it works out great for the players if they're willing to do that.
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Post by ThreeSticks on Jul 1, 2021 22:08:15 GMT
I've been beating the Sutter drum for years. It's arguably the greatest negotiated player contract ever signed in any sport.
This year is Sutter's last interest payment. Next year, he will receive the $9.1 million principle. Yup, and that's why it always amuses me when people try to wield Bonilla's deal as some sort of outlier when it's not nearly as uncommon as people think. Plus, deferred money can be quite beneficial for the teams when you factor in the time value of money. Frankly, if the Mets didn't get hosed on Madoff (which is another story), they could have used a tiny piece of (projected) those returns to pay Bonilla without dipping into their own pockets. It practically would have been free. AND it works out great for the players if they're willing to do that. Another thing that gets lost in the Bonilla hoopla. Bonilla's situation is the result of a buyout. It was not a feature the contract.
Also missed is that Bonilla only got league minimum from Atlanta and St Louis in 2000 & 2001. He didn't see a penny of the deferred money until 2011. That's 10 years of pension only.
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Post by ThreeSticks on Jul 1, 2021 22:24:56 GMT
David Wright gets 2 deferral days a year. He deferred $15.5 million from 2013-2018. On June 30th of 2021-2025, he receives $3.1 million. He deferred $6.0 million from 2019. On July 1st of 2021-2023, he receives $2 million. On 12/31/2023 he receives an interest check on the 2019 $6 million. The deferred interest rate was 2.5% compounded monthly. My rough math shows that to be roughly a $20 million interest payment? ($6.0m compound monthly at 2.5% from Jan 2019 to Dec 2023)*
*Forbes says the 2.5% compounded monthly on the $6 million will net a $800,000 interest payment on 12/31/2023. I am clearly misunderstanding how compound interest works apparently.
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Post by ThreeSticks on Jul 1, 2021 22:48:04 GMT
The Washington Nationals are the kings of deferred money.
Max Scherzer is a free agent after this season. The Nationals owe him $15 million per year in deferred money from 2022-2028.
Stephen Stasburg is signed through 2026. On July 1 in 2027, 2028 and 2029 he gets $26,666,667 plus interest payment of $3,999,974 on 12/31/29
Patrick Corbin is signed through 2024. The Nationals owe him $10 million in deferred money any time between Nov 2024 and Jan 2026.
Brad Hand signed a 1 year deal this year. He is owed $1.5M on 1/15/22, $3.5M on 1/15/23, $1.5M on 1/15/24. in deferred money.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jul 1, 2021 22:51:08 GMT
The Washington Nationals are the kings of deferred money. Max Scherzer is a free agent after this season. The Nationals owe him $15 million in deferred money from 2022-2028. Stephen Stasburg is signed through 2026. On July 1 in 2027, 2028 and 202 9 he get $26,666,667 plus interest payment of $3,999,974 on 12/31/29 Patrick Corbin is signed through 2024. The Nationals owe him $10 million in deferred money any time between Nov 2024 and Jan 2026. Brad Hand signed a 1 year deal this year. He is owed $1.5M on 1/15/22, $3.5M on 1/15/23, $1.5M on 1/15/24. in deferred money. Spotrac is one of my favorite sites and if you poke around, you'll find these types of arrangements for pretty much every team. Some are more egregious than others. The Strasburg one will probably sting at the end of the day. He's as talented as anyone else, and was instrumental in their WS run thus resulting in the contract reward he got, but he just cannot stay healthy and there's no reason to think he'll be able to right that ship any time soon. The wind blows lightly, and he's out for 8 weeks.
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Post by ThreeSticks on Jul 1, 2021 23:01:06 GMT
The Washington Nationals are the kings of deferred money. Max Scherzer is a free agent after this season. The Nationals owe him $15 million in deferred money from 2022-2028. Stephen Stasburg is signed through 2026. On July 1 in 2027, 2028 and 202 9 he get $26,666,667 plus interest payment of $3,999,974 on 12/31/29 Patrick Corbin is signed through 2024. The Nationals owe him $10 million in deferred money any time between Nov 2024 and Jan 2026. Brad Hand signed a 1 year deal this year. He is owed $1.5M on 1/15/22, $3.5M on 1/15/23, $1.5M on 1/15/24. in deferred money. Spotrac is one of my favorite sites and if you poke around, you'll find these types of arrangements for pretty much every team. Some are more egregious than others. The Strasburg one will probably sting at the end of the day. He's as talented as anyone else, and was instrumental in their WS run thus resulting in the contract reward he got, but he just cannot stay healthy and there's no reason to think he'll be able to right that ship any time soon. The wind blows lightly, and he's out for 8 weeks. love Spotrac. I also use legacy.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/ Cots has all of the juicy details. Details like Stanton is contractually obligated to donate 1% of his yearly salary to the Marlins club charity.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jul 1, 2021 23:25:46 GMT
This actually sums it up a lot more eloquently than I can:
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jul 1, 2021 23:28:15 GMT
Spotrac is one of my favorite sites and if you poke around, you'll find these types of arrangements for pretty much every team. Some are more egregious than others. The Strasburg one will probably sting at the end of the day. He's as talented as anyone else, and was instrumental in their WS run thus resulting in the contract reward he got, but he just cannot stay healthy and there's no reason to think he'll be able to right that ship any time soon. The wind blows lightly, and he's out for 8 weeks. love Spotrac. I also use legacy.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/ Cots has all of the juicy details. Details like Stanton is contractually obligated to donate 1% of his yearly salary to the Marlins club charity. Dude, what a great site this is! I've never even heard of it, but this is the kinda rabbit hole I can dive into. Thank you!
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jul 1, 2021 23:34:01 GMT
Spotrac is one of my favorite sites and if you poke around, you'll find these types of arrangements for pretty much every team. Some are more egregious than others. The Strasburg one will probably sting at the end of the day. He's as talented as anyone else, and was instrumental in their WS run thus resulting in the contract reward he got, but he just cannot stay healthy and there's no reason to think he'll be able to right that ship any time soon. The wind blows lightly, and he's out for 8 weeks. love Spotrac. I also use legacy.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/ Cots has all of the juicy details. Details like Stanton is contractually obligated to donate 1% of his yearly salary to the Marlins club charity. Because Stanton didn't opt out after last season, the Marlins owe the Yankees $30m this year. If I'm not mistaken, the Marlins also paid $30m of Mike Hampton's salary when he was on the Braves, in exchange for Juan Pierre and Tim Spooneybarger (a 3 team deal with the Rockies).
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 1, 2021 23:36:50 GMT
Because Stanton didn't opt out after last season, the Marlins owe the Yankees $30m this year. If I'm not mistaken, the Marlins also paid $30m of Mike Hampton's salary when he was on the Braves, in exchange for Juan Pierre and Tim Spooneybarger (a 3 team deal with the Rockies). I have found my next alias.
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