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Post by Skaathar on Jul 11, 2021 2:34:07 GMT
So how does this one rank against the rest of the MCU? Mid Tier? Bottom Tier? Top Tier? It's hard to judge because it doesn't feel like an MCU movie. All of the MCU movies, even the worst ones, have a kind of zippy energy that makes them entertaining despite flaws here and there. This doesn't have that energy, so its flaws kind of stand out more glaringly. It also makes it feel a bit dry in comparison to other MCU films even though it's a fairly solid action blockbuster. Right now I'd personally place it in my bottom tier. Don't think it's the worst but it's definitely way below average. I'll rewatch some of my bottom ranked MCU films in the next few days to get a better comparison.
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Post by Lee on Jul 11, 2021 10:09:17 GMT
Best MCU movie after The Winter Soldier.
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Post by Spike Del Rey on Jul 11, 2021 17:09:50 GMT
So how does this one rank against the rest of the MCU? Mid Tier? Bottom Tier? Top Tier? I put it Top Tier, I really liked it. Don't give a shit if I'm seemingly in the minority here.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 11, 2021 17:14:03 GMT
So how does this one rank against the rest of the MCU? Mid Tier? Bottom Tier? Top Tier? I put it Top Tier, I really liked it. Don't give a shit if I'm seemingly in the minority here. You really think it can compare to the likes of The Avengers, GOTG, Infinity War or CA:TWS?
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Post by Spike Del Rey on Jul 11, 2021 19:18:05 GMT
I put it Top Tier, I really liked it. Don't give a shit if I'm seemingly in the minority here. You really think it can compare to the likes of The Avengers, GOTG, Infinity War or CA:TWS? Yes, that's why I said Top Tier. In the immortal words of Dalton, opinions vary.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Jul 12, 2021 0:17:10 GMT
I enjoyed it
I rank as the 10th best MCU movie
I give it 7.8/10
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Post by tastytomatoes on Jul 13, 2021 23:53:46 GMT
So how does this one rank against the rest of the MCU? Mid Tier? Bottom Tier? Top Tier? I'd say mid tier. I really liked the family dynamic and the characters were unique. Sadly the last act just goes into long, unnecessary explosions and CGI set pieces. The ending also lacks some proper conclusion to the story... as if this is just an interlude happening before this and that major event in the MCU. Still enjoyed the watch. I rate it just above Iron Man 2, Captain Marvel, Ant-man and the Wasp, etc.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 20, 2021 18:23:34 GMT
So how does this one rank against the rest of the MCU? Mid Tier? Bottom Tier? Top Tier? Personally I'd put it in the bottom tier. That doesn't make it a bad movie, just not great by MCU standards. Taskmaster is wasted and I don't like the whole 'they just need to be gassed and they're totally fine' resolution to the Red Room brainwashing. There was potential for some incredible scenes if the writers just put a little more effort into it. For example, the gas should've had no effect on Antonia. She didn't need to be brainwashed, she was blown half to hell as a child. She should be made purely of hate by this point. Would've made a great reveal when the gas does nothing at all as Natasha actually has to deal with the consequences of her past. I enjoyed all of the new characters, but somebody should've died to give it stakes. Red Guardian could've gone out like a boss trying to save the family from Taskmaster; the old school 'guile and brawn' action hero vs. the tech-based killing machine. I can't overstate my disappointment with Taskmaster in general. The ultimate skilled combatant just shoots rockets at your van or rolls down the street in an APC like a juggernaut. I don't think the creative team understood what makes that character fun. Ultimately the movie was decent, but a BW film should've come out ten years ago. This feels as unnecessary and tacked on to the MCU as it actually is. That being said, I am looking forward to seeing what they do with Yelena. I just hope she isn't dumb enough to buy what Val is selling in the post-credit scene.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 18:37:40 GMT
So how does this one rank against the rest of the MCU? Mid Tier? Bottom Tier? Top Tier? Personally I'd put it in the bottom tier. That doesn't make it a bad movie, just not great by MCU standards. Taskmaster is wasted and I don't like the whole 'they just need to be gassed and they're totally fine' resolution to the Red Room brainwashing. There was potential for some incredible scenes if the writers just put a little more effort into it. For example, the gas should've had no effect on Antonia. She didn't need to be brainwashed, she was blown half to hell as a child. She should be made purely of hate by this point. Would've made a great reveal when the gas does nothing at all as Natasha actually has to deal with the consequences of her past. I enjoyed all of the new characters, but somebody should've died to give it stakes. Red Guardian could've gone out like a boss trying to save the family from Taskmaster; the old school 'guile and brawn' action hero vs. the tech-based killing machine. I can't overstate my disappointment with Taskmaster in general. The ultimate skilled combatant just shoots rockets at your van or rolls down the street in an APC like a juggernaut. I don't think the creative team understood what makes that character fun. Ultimately the movie was decent, but a BW film should've come out ten years ago. This feels as unnecessary and tacked on to the MCU as it actually is. That being said, I am looking forward to seeing what they do with Yelena. I just hope she isn't dumb enough to buy what Val is selling in the post-credit scene. I agree with all of this. Everything I liked about it revolves around Nat’s pseudo family. I thought those scenes worked really well and I enjoyed Red Guardian and Yelena quite a bit. But everything connected to the plot was just lazy and cliched. The miracle gas, the Russian Harvey Weinstein, and the one dimensional BW program. And yeah, Taskmaster is probably one of the MCU’s worst villains, and this is a franchise already known for weak villains. I enjoyed it and will pick up the blu ray for my collection. But it’s definitely lower tier Marvel.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 20, 2021 19:04:30 GMT
So how does this one rank against the rest of the MCU? Mid Tier? Bottom Tier? Top Tier? Personally I'd put it in the bottom tier. That doesn't make it a bad movie, just not great by MCU standards. Taskmaster is wasted and I don't like the whole 'they just need to be gassed and they're totally fine' resolution to the Red Room brainwashing. There was potential for some incredible scenes if the writers just put a little more effort into it. For example, the gas should've had no effect on Antonia. She didn't need to be brainwashed, she was blown half to hell as a child. She should be made purely of hate by this point. Would've made a great reveal when the gas does nothing at all as Natasha actually has to deal with the consequences of her past. I enjoyed all of the new characters, but somebody should've died to give it stakes. Red Guardian could've gone out like a boss trying to save the family from Taskmaster; the old school 'guile and brawn' action hero vs. the tech-based killing machine. I can't overstate my disappointment with Taskmaster in general. The ultimate skilled combatant just shoots rockets at your van or rolls down the street in an APC like a juggernaut. I don't think the creative team understood what makes that character fun. Ultimately the movie was decent, but a BW film should've come out ten years ago. This feels as unnecessary and tacked on to the MCU as it actually is. That being said, I am looking forward to seeing what they do with Yelena. I just hope she isn't dumb enough to buy what Val is selling in the post-credit scene. One of the main issues I've had with MCU products of late was their clear lack of respect for the characters. Heck, just look at what they did to Loki in his own series. Their treatment of Taskmaster is just the latest example. For whatever faults Favreau and Whedon had, I kinda miss the clear respect they gave the characters they were handling. Sure they've messed up characters here and there but it never seem like it was from a lack of trying. With the way some of the MCU characters have been treated of late, it's almost like they intentionally want to tear these characters down.
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Post by mstreepsucks on Jul 21, 2021 18:52:52 GMT
it's a fine film, i loved it. I thought it would suck.
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Post by spooner5020 on Jul 23, 2021 12:17:58 GMT
I thought it was the most boring Marvel film yet. I’m a huge fan of theirs and it seems like since after Endgame they’ve been on this slow decline of the quality they put out. Wandavision was REALLY GOOD. Falcon And The Winter Soldier started out ok, but then kinda got boring. Don’t even think I finished it. Loki feels like a chore to get through.
A Black Widow movie should have been amazing. Especially this was supposed to be her send off. I guess Marvel felt like it didn’t have to try that hard, but there was barely any action. Too much family drama and like someone said it does NOT FEEL like an MCU movie. This feels like something Marvel would have come out with in the early 2000’s and not the good kind. Black Widow deserved a better movie.
6/10
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 26, 2021 12:33:07 GMT
They did Taskmaster pretty dirty in this. I was fine with making him a woman and connecting her to the Black Widow program, but turning her into a brainwash Terminator type of character was lame and uninspiring. She basically got the Deadpool Wolverine Origins treatment.
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Post by mstreepsucks on Jul 29, 2021 18:55:10 GMT
I had a feeling this would be the lowest rated marvel film. well as of now the lowest is captain marvel which is 6.8 But this one is 6.9 but since it just came out the score will get lower as time goes on.
My prediction was right.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 30, 2021 19:03:48 GMT
I had a feeling this would be the lowest rated marvel film. well as of now the lowest is captain marvel which is 6.8 But this one is 6.9 but since it just came out the score will get lower as time goes on. My prediction was right. You know, I had expected the MCU to learn from the mistakes that Captain Marvel made. I was mistaken. It's such a shame too because the MCU has improved the average of their movies as time went by. I didn't expect another CATWS but I was expecting something at least along the same quality as Dr. Strange. Captain Marvel was a weird dud that we could have written off as an anomaly, but now I'm a bit worried about the upcoming MCU movies.
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Post by darkpast on Jul 31, 2021 1:48:16 GMT
meh , it wasn't terrible , but very mediocre, Captain Marvel was way better
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Aug 2, 2021 0:00:13 GMT
I had a feeling this would be the lowest rated marvel film. well as of now the lowest is captain marvel which is 6.8 But this one is 6.9 but since it just came out the score will get lower as time goes on. My prediction was right. You know, I had expected the MCU to learn from the mistakes that Captain Marvel made. I was mistaken. It's such a shame too because the MCU has improved the average of their movies as time went by. I didn't expect another CATWS but I was expecting something at least along the same quality as Dr. Strange. Captain Marvel was a weird dud that we could have written off as an anomaly, but now I'm a bit worried about the upcoming MCU movies. I think CM and BW were both weak entries in the MCU because they both felt unnecessary to the larger preexisting narrative. Two prequels that were shoehorned in with virtually no stakes and felt disconnected from the universe at large due to the lack of supporting characters. It's hard to go back to square one after IW and Endgame, the ultimate team-up crossover saga. I'm worried about the upcoming flicks for different reasons. We all know and love the comics, but will audiences (myself included) embrace this new wave of characters on the big screen the way we did in the Infinity Saga? Will Marvel lose sight of what makes these movies great, and go too hard in either direction; i.e., artsy for the sake of artsy with Eternals or the ultimate Easter Egg low-stakes nostalgia fest with Multiverse of Madness? Time will tell.
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