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Post by divtal on Jul 11, 2021 17:06:47 GMT
This may, or may not qualify, but I checked the genre descriptions on IMDb.
The Red Shoes is described as; Romance, MUSIC, Drama.
Then I checked a few of our old faves from MGM, and they all had "MUSICAL" among the descriptions.
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Post by Rufus-T on Jul 11, 2021 17:25:33 GMT
This may, or may not qualify, but I checked the genre descriptions on IMDb. The Red Shoes is described as; Romance, MUSIC, Drama. Then I checked a few of our old faves from MGM, and they all had "MUSIC AL" among the descriptions. Kind of make one thinks what is and isn't a musical, isn't it?
I usually think of musical as having scenes filled with singing or performance that is not part of the reality within a movie, like someone burst into singing or dancing in the middle of a conversation for no reason other than being a performance for the audience.
That said, should "Saturday Night Fever" or "Once" be counted as musical? I think they are, but all the singing and dancing were part of the reality within the story.
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Post by marshamae on Jul 11, 2021 18:37:11 GMT
I would say the presence of characters singing AND dancing, not only as diagetic music but also in character is necessary for a work to be a musical. Dancing might be just movement but actual singing is a necessity. Red shoes seems like a Drama About Ballet. There is no singing , no dance that is not part of a stage presentation, or diagetic( the singing and dancing at Grisha’s party. )
Another one is Swing Kids, not a great movie but fun with some big ,well done dance numbers. The characters croon a bit but there is no real singing except the girl in the last number who sings Bei Mir Bist Du Shoen.
Others like this SHOWGIRLS?
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Post by mattgarth on Jul 11, 2021 18:45:31 GMT
Another non-traditional dance number in a non-musical:
Duke Wayne jitterbugging in THE FIGHTING SEABEES.
(Doghouse, are you still flying just off my right wingtip?)
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Post by Doghouse6 on Jul 11, 2021 23:22:41 GMT
Another non-traditional dance number in a non-musical: Duke Wayne jitterbugging in THE FIGHTING SEABEES. (Doghouse, are you still flying just off my right wingtip?) Sorry, I got caught in a fog. But teleadm's already furnished the video of said jitterbug on Page 2. And a video's worth a thousand pictures. In fact, it is a thousand pictures, and then some.
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Post by bravomailer on Jul 12, 2021 1:46:00 GMT
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Post by phantomparticle on Jul 12, 2021 2:14:05 GMT
Doghouse6 has mentioned Laurel and Hardy's famous At The Ball dance in Way Out West. This is from The Flying Deuces. Hardy had a beautiful singing voice. Accompanied by Laurel's eccentric dancing, it is a pure delight.  |
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Post by Doghouse6 on Jul 12, 2021 13:55:51 GMT
With MacLaine and Kelly, you can't waste all that terpsichorean talent, so you get a bone fide production number and, for about five minutes, What A Way To Go becomes a musical.  |
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Post by Doghouse6 on Jul 12, 2021 14:25:29 GMT
Charlie Chan In Paris
What would a visit to Paris be without a cafe exhibition of La Danse Apache,
and what would a Charlie Chan picture be without it culminating in a murder?
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Post by bravomailer on Jul 12, 2021 15:36:35 GMT
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Post by mattgarth on Jul 12, 2021 15:59:00 GMT
THE PRIDE OF THE YANKEES -- Gary Cooper takes future wife Teresa Wright on their first date to a New York night club, where they have a ringside seat to a romantic tango performed by movie specialty dancers Veloz and Yolanda. ________________________________________________________________________________ www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PHQbYmhN0g |
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Post by timshelboy on Jul 12, 2021 17:03:28 GMT
Not sure how much of this qualifies as "dancing" but there is definitely a shimmy or two in there - Gloria certainly performs it with gusto...  although dubbed by Jo Ann Greer (FILM STARS DONT DIE IN LIVERPOOL - the movie - glossed over that fact.) It looks as though its had a bluray release (see WHAT MOVIES DID YOU WATCH thread jeff cody). Bad Lieutenant Sterling Hayden is ideally teamed with bordertown chanteuse Gloria. Highly Recommended. my.mail.ru/mail/noskov-56/video/46605/114231.html  |
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Post by bravomailer on Jul 12, 2021 19:59:46 GMT
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Post by Ass_E9 on Jul 12, 2021 20:35:18 GMT
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Post by manfromplanetx on Jul 12, 2021 23:55:29 GMT
Salome (1923) Dir. Charles Bryant. Regarded as one of the first American "art films" the film is an adaptation of Oscar Wilde's play of the same name written in 1891, and stars Alla Nazimova who also produced this highly stylized version. The play itself is a loose retelling of the biblical story of King Herod and the execution of John the Baptist (in Wilde's play, Jokaanan) at the request of his stepdaughter, Salomé, whom he lusts after. The Dance of the Seven Veils is Salome's seductive dance performed before Herod, The name "Dance of the Seven Veils" originates with the 1893 English translation of Oscar Wilde's play, in which Herod offered his niece a reward of her choice for performing a dance for his guests on his birthday... Wilde was apparently inspired for his own depiction of Salome from a poem written in 1870 by British writer Arthur O'Shaughnessy. She freed and floated on the air her arms
Above dim veils that hid her bosom's charms...
The veils fell round her like thin coiling mists
Shot through by topaz suns and amethysts.  
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Post by bravomailer on Jul 13, 2021 1:12:44 GMT
I guess most here know the story of Brando and the dancer.
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Post by phantomparticle on Jul 13, 2021 22:27:24 GMT
The Hunchback of Notre Dame. Patsy Ruth Miller shakes her tambourine and does a high kick, and that's pretty much it. Maureen O'Hara moves around the circle and does a couple of spins. Marathon dancing, it ain't.   |
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Post by Prime etc. on Jul 13, 2021 23:08:50 GMT
I wish I could provide an image but in RASPUTIN THE MAD MONK 1966 Christopher Lee dances a Russian-style dance a couple of times.
Well, not him actually-the stand-in is much shorter but anyway....
Also Fright Night 1985 has a very good use of dance music and sequence.
It could be really dated and hokey but I think it holds up quite well. I generally hate modern music--and even in the 80s I did, but this music worked great for the whole sequence--even when they are outside before entering.
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Post by bravomailer on Jul 14, 2021 2:51:21 GMT
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Post by mattgarth on Jul 14, 2021 3:00:32 GMT
And another dancing out West -- John Ford's MY DARLING CLEMENTINE Henry Fonda as 'Wyatt Earp' and Cathy Downs as the titled 'Clementine' at the church raising in Tombstone. _______________________________________________________________________________________ www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDbUOG7elXA |
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although dubbed by Jo Ann Greer (FILM STARS DONT DIE IN LIVERPOOL - the movie - glossed over that fact.) It looks as though its had a bluray release (see WHAT MOVIES DID YOU WATCH thread jeff cody). Bad Lieutenant Sterling Hayden is ideally teamed with bordertown chanteuse Gloria.
