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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2021 18:58:47 GMT
Forgot MCU was a thing over Covid, Black Widow was a tough reminder of how stupid and dominating the franchise still is.
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Post by movieliker on Jul 21, 2021 18:58:59 GMT
There is no difference in surviving the impact of a hard hit, and the impact of an explosion. There is no logic in an Iron Man suit protecting against concussion and being knocked unconcious. Tony Stark surviving an explosion has an explanation. He has a superpowered suit. Whether or not you agree with that explanation is irrelevant. What's important is that the movies provided an explanation. Black Widow surviving an explosion.... what's the explanation? Because the movies certainly never provided one. They have already provided an explanation. Whether or not you believe it is irrelevant. She's a superhero with super powers. Super powers to hit hard and survive hard hits.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 21, 2021 19:46:35 GMT
Tony Stark surviving an explosion has an explanation. He has a superpowered suit. Whether or not you agree with that explanation is irrelevant. What's important is that the movies provided an explanation. Black Widow surviving an explosion.... what's the explanation? Because the movies certainly never provided one. They have already provided an explanation. Whether or not you believe it is irrelevant. She's a superhero with super powers. Super powers to hit hard and survive hard hits. lol, now you're just making stuff up. Nowhere in the movies was it ever stated that Black Widow had super powers. Sure, she's a lot more durable than a real person would be, but then that's just normal for more action movie heroes. But to survive an explosion point blank with zero injuries? Where exactly was it ever stated that she had superpowers to overcome that?
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Post by movieliker on Jul 21, 2021 20:05:06 GMT
They have already provided an explanation. Whether or not you believe it is irrelevant. She's a superhero with super powers. Super powers to hit hard and survive hard hits. lol, now you're just making stuff up. Nowhere in the movies was it ever stated that Black Widow had super powers. Sure, she's a lot more durable than a real person would be, but then that's just normal for more action movie heroes. But to survive an explosion point blank with zero injuries? Where exactly was it ever stated that she had superpowers to overcome that? I agree. Just like nowhere in any Marvel movie have they explained how Tony Stark could not get knocked out by getting hit by a train with, or without a suit made of iron. No helmet can prevent concussions. Fractured skulls yes. Exterior head injuries yes. Concussions no.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 21, 2021 21:39:16 GMT
lol, now you're just making stuff up. Nowhere in the movies was it ever stated that Black Widow had super powers. Sure, she's a lot more durable than a real person would be, but then that's just normal for more action movie heroes. But to survive an explosion point blank with zero injuries? Where exactly was it ever stated that she had superpowers to overcome that? I agree. Just like nowhere in any Marvel movie have they explained how Tony Stark could not get knocked out by getting hit by a train with, or without a suit made of iron. No helmet can prevent concussions. Fractured skulls yes. Exterior head injuries yes. Concussions no. Sigh. You're not getting it. Let me try this from a different angle: Following your logic, do you think that it's perfectly reasonable if Black Widow pulled the pin off a grenade, put it in her mouth, and just walks away without injury as it explodes inside her mouth?
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Post by movieliker on Jul 21, 2021 22:10:58 GMT
I agree. Just like nowhere in any Marvel movie have they explained how Tony Stark could not get knocked out by getting hit by a train with, or without a suit made of iron. No helmet can prevent concussions. Fractured skulls yes. Exterior head injuries yes. Concussions no. Sigh. You're not getting it. Let me try this from a different angle: Following your logic, do you think that it's perfectly reasonable if Black Widow pulled the pin off a grenade, put it in her mouth, and just walks away without injury as it explodes inside her mouth? No. But she never did that.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 21, 2021 22:21:59 GMT
Sigh. You're not getting it. Let me try this from a different angle: Following your logic, do you think that it's perfectly reasonable if Black Widow pulled the pin off a grenade, put it in her mouth, and just walks away without injury as it explodes inside her mouth? No. But she never did that. Yet following your logic, you should be perfectly fine with this as, in your own words, she has superhuman durability.
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Post by movieliker on Jul 21, 2021 23:21:52 GMT
No. But she never did that. Yet following your logic, you should be perfectly fine with this as, in your own words, she has superhuman durability. No. There is a limit to illogical inconsitencies. Superheros having a higher than normal ability to be powerful, and endure attacks is expected. But there is a limit to that also. I don't remember the scene where a car blew up with The Black Widow inside. Where in the movie was that? So I don't have to watch the whole movie again.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 22, 2021 0:33:02 GMT
Yet following your logic, you should be perfectly fine with this as, in your own words, she has superhuman durability. No. There is a limit to illogical inconsitencies. Superheros having a higher than normal ability to be powerful, and endure attacks is expected. But there is a limit to that also. I don't remember the scene where a car blew up with The Black Widow inside. Where in the movie was that? So I don't have to watch the whole movie again. Correct, there is a limit to illogical inconsistencies, and this movie went over that limit multiple times. That has been the point being raised since page 2 (or was it 3?). Anyway, bridge fight between Taskmaster and BlackWidow. Grenade or missile hits the driver door and explodes strong enough to flip the car and over end. Black Widow gets out without a scratch. Car chase scene. Taskmaster detonates explosive right under Natasha's and Yelena's car to flip it end over end till it slides down into the train station. No lasting injuries their either.
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Post by movieliker on Jul 22, 2021 1:43:27 GMT
No. There is a limit to illogical inconsitencies. Superheros having a higher than normal ability to be powerful, and endure attacks is expected. But there is a limit to that also. I don't remember the scene where a car blew up with The Black Widow inside. Where in the movie was that? So I don't have to watch the whole movie again. Correct, there is a limit to illogical inconsistencies, and this movie went over that limit multiple times. That has been the point being raised since page 2 (or was it 3?). Anyway, bridge fight between Taskmaster and BlackWidow. Grenade or missile hits the driver door and explodes strong enough to flip the car and over end. Black Widow gets out without a scratch. Car chase scene. Taskmaster detonates explosive right under Natasha's and Yelena's car to flip it end over end till it slides down into the train station. No lasting injuries their either. I remember that scene. That was nothing. All the Avenger superheros have survived worse.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 22, 2021 2:48:10 GMT
Correct, there is a limit to illogical inconsistencies, and this movie went over that limit multiple times. That has been the point being raised since page 2 (or was it 3?). Anyway, bridge fight between Taskmaster and BlackWidow. Grenade or missile hits the driver door and explodes strong enough to flip the car and over end. Black Widow gets out without a scratch. Car chase scene. Taskmaster detonates explosive right under Natasha's and Yelena's car to flip it end over end till it slides down into the train station. No lasting injuries their either. I remember that scene. That was nothing. All the Avenger superheros have survived worse. Not the pure humans. The ones who survived worse all had clearly defined superpowers that helped them survive worse.
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Post by movieliker on Jul 22, 2021 2:57:09 GMT
I remember that scene. That was nothing. All the Avenger superheros have survived worse. Not the pure humans. The ones who survived worse all had clearly defined superpowers that helped them survive worse. You are making that up. That is not in any of the movies. The human Avengers are tough. They can survive things that would injure or kill normal people.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 22, 2021 4:39:25 GMT
Not the pure humans. The ones who survived worse all had clearly defined superpowers that helped them survive worse. You are making that up. That is not in any of the movies. The human Avengers are tough. They can survive things that would injure or kill normal people. Ok, so name me which Avengers you believe have survived worse than that car explosion that BW walked away from without a scratch?
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Post by movieliker on Jul 22, 2021 4:55:03 GMT
You are making that up. That is not in any of the movies. The human Avengers are tough. They can survive things that would injure or kill normal people. Ok, so name me which Avengers you believe have survived worse than that car explosion that BW walked away from without a scratch? All of them.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 22, 2021 4:56:10 GMT
Ok, so name me which Avengers you believe have survived worse than that car explosion that BW walked away from without a scratch? All of them. So you're comparing BW's durability to the likes of Thor, Vision and Hulk? Dear god, and I thought we were finally getting somewhere.
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Post by movieliker on Jul 22, 2021 5:29:58 GMT
So you're comparing BW's durability to the likes of Thor, Vision and Hulk? Dear god, and I thought we were finally getting somewhere. No. I never said that.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 22, 2021 6:07:41 GMT
So you're comparing BW's durability to the likes of Thor, Vision and Hulk? Dear god, and I thought we were finally getting somewhere. No. I never said that. Then what was the point of your statement ? ? Why even bring up that the rest of the Avengers have survived worse than the car explosio as a way to defend BW being able to walk away from the explosion? You do realize that pretty much all the Avengers other than Hawkeye have better durability than BW right? So unless you can give an example of Hawkeye surviving worse than that car explosion then there wasn't really any point to your statement.
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Post by Morgana on Jul 22, 2021 9:51:05 GMT
I didn't enjoy it. From the beginning the over-the-top but silly fight scenes had me rolling my eyes. Widow gets slammed face first into a wall or pillar but is completely fine; gets thrown off a roof but is completely fine; sister the same; etc. etc. over and over. She isn't a super soldier as far as I'm aware and neither is her sister so what the heck? I know that a huge suspension of disbelief is necessary to watch a female throw men about as though they weigh nothing and I'm (kind of) okay with that, but this was too much. I stopped watching about half way through as I just wasn't interested enough in the story to overlook all the silliness. This a make-believe fantasy superhero movie Morgana. You are taking things way too seriously. It's supposed to be entertainment. Not a documentary on the physics of violence. Who said anything about documentary? I know some suspension of disbelief is needed to watch any film like this but this was too much. As Skaathar said, there needs to be parameters for every 'super hero', otherwise we would have a Spiderman or a Captain America that can fly, a Hawkeye that is invincible - as they have made Widow appear to be. For instance, when Hulk was battering Loki and throwing him about (I forget which film it was in) Loki was fine, but then Loki is a god so it makes sense (and was funny as hell). It just makes no sense within the parameters of who these characters are supposed to be and what they are able to do. That's my opinion anyway.
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Post by movieliker on Jul 22, 2021 16:02:50 GMT
This a make-believe fantasy superhero movie Morgana. You are taking things way too seriously. It's supposed to be entertainment. Not a documentary on the physics of violence. Who said anything about documentary? I know some suspension of disbelief is needed to watch any film like this but this was too much. As Skaathar said, there needs to be parameters for every 'super hero', otherwise we would have a Spiderman or a Captain America that can fly, a Hawkeye that is invincible - as they have made Widow appear to be. For instance, when Hulk was battering Loki and throwing him about (I forget which film it was in) Loki was fine, but then Loki is a god so it makes sense (and was funny as hell). It just makes no sense within the parameters of who these characters are supposed to be and what they are able to do. That's my opinion anyway. No. When The Hulk was body slaming Loki around before he became a god, Loki survived a beating that would have killed a normal person. Nowhere in any Marvel movie does Black Widow fly. You bring up ridiculous examples of illogical inconsistencies --- that have never happened. It seems like you, Skaathar and Jason are just being hypercritical. In a way that would trash any movie. Black Widow is no better or worse than any other Marvel movie.
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Post by movieliker on Jul 22, 2021 16:07:32 GMT
Then what was the point of your statement ? ? Why even bring up that the rest of the Avengers have survived worse than the car explosio as a way to defend BW being able to walk away from the explosion? You do realize that pretty much all the Avengers other than Hawkeye have better durability than BW right? So unless you can give an example of Hawkeye surviving worse than that car explosion then there wasn't really any point to your statement. Because it's all unrealistic. There is no inconsistency in Black Widow's character. She has, and has never had any superpower other than being able to beat up people and survive hard hits.
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