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Post by Nalkarj on Jan 17, 2022 17:35:22 GMT
The killer felt less pulled out of a hat than 2 and especially 3 (a literally "who?" Moment for me). Like I said, I called them in the first 20 minutes. The awkward first greeting gave it away, and then them accusing each other later felt performative. Richie/Jack Quaid had a pretty big role, much bigger than Mickey and Roman. Amber/Mikey Madison didn't really have a personality until she was revealed, though. Congrats on getting the killer; I considered the boyfriend for a while and then alternated a bit between the main girl and her sister. I really did want my guess to be true.
As for your points: Well, I did kind of conflate the two killers in my post. Clearly I didn’t forget who the boyfriend was; as you say, he had a big role. And I didn’t exactly forget who Amber was—but she was so nondistinct, as you say, that I was half-thinking, Who is that? To rework an Agatha Christie line, I knew who she was but really had no idea who she was.
In general, though, you’re right that Ritchie had a bigger role than Mickey and Roman (and Mrs. Loomis). I’ve criticized Scream 2 before for the weakness of its mystery plotting, though I still like that movie a lot. (Scream 3 is just goofy, even if I’ve come to find it entertainingly goofy.) But I don’t think his having a big role means the killer wasn’t pulled out of a hat. To me, it felt like they could have made anyone the murderer and the result would have been the same. By contrast, the original Scream and (as much as I dislike it) Scream 4 feel like the surprise is an organic part of the story, a natural working-out of the plot and character beats throughout the story.
Now that’s not the end-all and be-all of a movie, of course. I like Scream 2, which has killers pulled from a hat (possibly because Williamson had to do so much rewriting?), more than Scream 4, after all. But that uninevitability (not a word) of the twist still stood out to me about this one. One reason may be the filmmaking: Craven did such a great job with Scream 2, both with the performances and the visuals. That suspense sequence with Sid climbing out of the car is genuinely Hitchockian. Directorially, by contrast, nothing in this movie excited me that much. I’m not sure the kids’ anonymity was the biggest weakness for me, but agreed that it was a big weakness. Totally agreed about Kennedy and Lillard. You’re right, but that for me is a flaw of Scream 3. And, yeah, they did try to throw in clues, but to me those clues seemed Murder, She Wrote-y, as if the writers went back and added some clues after the fact. Compare with that scene in Scream where Billy and Stu mock Randy, which would practically give the whole thing way if we thought that way. The younger sister wasn’t also Billy’s kid? Well, there you go. I liked that theory so much, too!
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 18, 2022 7:06:53 GMT
The killer felt less pulled out of a hat than 2 and especially 3 (a literally "who?" Moment for me). Like I said, I called them in the first 20 minutes. The awkward first greeting gave it away, and then them accusing each other later felt performative. Richie/Jack Quaid had a pretty big role, much bigger than Mickey and Roman. Amber/Mikey Madison didn't really have a personality until she was revealed, though. Congrats on getting the killer; I considered the boyfriend for a while and then alternated a bit between the main girl and her sister. I really did want my guess to be true.
As for your points: Well, I did kind of conflate the two killers in my post. Clearly I didn’t forget who the boyfriend was; as you say, he had a big role. And I didn’t exactly forget who Amber was—but she was so nondistinct, as you say, that I was half-thinking, Who is that? To rework an Agatha Christie line, I knew who she was but really had no idea who she was.
In general, though, you’re right that Ritchie had a bigger role than Mickey and Roman (and Mrs. Loomis). I’ve criticized Scream 2 before for the weakness of its mystery plotting, though I still like that movie a lot. (Scream 3 is just goofy, even if I’ve come to find it entertainingly goofy.) But I don’t think his having a big role means the killer wasn’t pulled out of a hat. To me, it felt like they could have made anyone the murderer and the result would have been the same. By contrast, the original Scream and (as much as I dislike it) Scream 4 feel like the surprise is an organic part of the story, a natural working-out of the plot and character beats throughout the story.
Now that’s not the end-all and be-all of a movie, of course. I like Scream 2, which has killers pulled from a hat (possibly because Williamson had to do so much rewriting?), more than Scream 4, after all. But that uninevitability (not a word) of the twist still stood out to me about this one. One reason may be the filmmaking: Craven did such a great job Scream 2, both with the performances and the visuals. That suspense sequence with Sid climbing out of the car is genuinely Hitchockian. Directorially, by contrast, nothing in this movie excited me that much. I’m not sure the kids’ anonymity was the biggest weakness for me, but agreed that it was a big weakness. Totally agreed about Kennedy and Lillard. You’re right, but that for me is a flaw of Scream 3. And, yeah, they did try to throw in clues, but to me those clues seemed Murder, She Wrote-y, as if the writers went back and added some clues after the fact. Compare with that scene in Scream where Billy and Stu mock Randy, which would practically give the whole thing way if we thought that way. The younger sister wasn’t also Billy’s kid? Well, there you go. I liked that theory so much, too! Yeah, the Ortega sister is in high school, so she'd have to be held back at least 8 times to be Billy's daughter. Mrs Loomis was always a part of 2, but Mickey was a rewrite. It becomes a bit inevitable that either Richie or one of the sisters is in on it when the inhaler goes missing, but I see what you're saying. 1 and 4 are still probably the strongest, most organic reveals, weak acting in 4 aside.
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Post by Marv on Jan 28, 2022 2:52:01 GMT
Spoilers....maybe
Just saw this in theatres. Not sure where i place it yet. It isn't as fun or innovative as...probably any of the other Scream films. It's not that bad either Im just struggling to think of reasons why I'll want to come back to it. So i guess from the top...Ortega as Tara was great. Easily the best actor on that set during this film. I liked Jack Quaid as Rickie a lot too. And the Hicks family was fine. The young support were ok but most of their characters lacked any real definition. They all feel like these snarky Zoomers who continually tell me they have the awareness to deal with the situation and consistently put themselves in places to get themselves slaughtered. On top of that Dewey is the only legacy character that feels natural in this. Drunk divorcee ex-town sheriff looking after the younguns? That's a classic role. But instead of expanding on that they instead try to balance a bit too many characters with a bit too much crap going on and I think it showed. I will say the music was great though. All the themes coming back were really cool. It probably sounds like Im being harsher on this than I actually am. I enjoyed this film...it just feels a little out of balance or something. Like tone down every character being meta and tone up the authentic character work and I think I'd have loved this film.
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Post by politicidal on Feb 3, 2022 18:30:37 GMT
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Post by politicidal on Feb 26, 2022 1:43:57 GMT
Neve Campbell has been approached.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Feb 27, 2022 2:05:09 GMT
Neve Campbell has been approached.
Some people actually thought this movie ended on a sendoff for her. Ha ha.
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Post by forca84 on Feb 28, 2022 23:58:23 GMT
Neve Campbell has been approached.
Some people actually thought this movie ended on a sendoff for her. Ha ha. I feel like she'll show up on a Scooter.... These movies are her retirement plan.
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Post by Vits on Mar 2, 2022 10:55:50 GMT
5/10
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Post by politicidal on Mar 3, 2022 19:51:51 GMT
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Post by forca84 on Mar 9, 2022 4:05:20 GMT
Just watched on Paramount+ Hmm... I didn't find the younger cast that engaging. I liked the two Sisters. Felt sad when Dewey and Judy and her Son were killed. Toxic Fandom was such a stupid motive... But oddly fitting. The gore was pretty brutal. Gale and Syd weren't given alot to do but they still shined.
Using Billy in hallucinations was the funniest thing ever... 🤣
Genuinely curious how they'll keep the series going after this...
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Post by Anonymous Andy on Mar 10, 2022 19:48:46 GMT
Just watched on Paramount+ Hmm... I didn't find the younger cast that engaging. I liked the two Sisters. Felt sad when Dewey and Judy and her Son were killed. Toxic Fandom was such a stupid motive... But oddly fitting. The gore was pretty brutal. Gale and Syd weren't given alot to do but they still shined. Using Billy in hallucinations was the funniest thing ever... 🤣 Genuinely curious how they'll keep the series going after this... This sums up a lot of my feelings. I liked the new actors but their characters were just flat. Dewey's farewell definitely hit me in the gut, but I think I was more emotionally moved by Deputy Hick's death. The way they shot and edited that whole sequence was just *chef's kiss*. I'm not in a hurry to rewatch it, and it does have a sort of uncanny valley vibe about it in comparison to the other Screams, but I enjoyed the ride and I think it was about as good as we could ever expect a fifth Scream to be.
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Post by forca84 on Mar 10, 2022 22:07:12 GMT
Just watched on Paramount+ Hmm... I didn't find the younger cast that engaging. I liked the two Sisters. Felt sad when Dewey and Judy and her Son were killed. Toxic Fandom was such a stupid motive... But oddly fitting. The gore was pretty brutal. Gale and Syd weren't given alot to do but they still shined. Using Billy in hallucinations was the funniest thing ever... 🤣 Genuinely curious how they'll keep the series going after this... This sums up a lot of my feelings. I liked the new actors but their characters were just flat. Dewey's farewell definitely hit me in the gut, but I think I was more emotionally moved by Deputy Hick's death. The way they shot and edited that whole sequence was just *chef's kiss*. I'm not in a hurry to rewatch it, and it does have a sort of uncanny valley vibe about it in comparison to the other Screams, but I enjoyed the ride and I think it was about as good as we could ever expect a fifth Scream to be. I won't lie... Seeing poor Hicks and her Son snuffed out choked me up!! Pretty rare for a slasher to do that to me. He was just looking forward to having Dinner with his Mom 😞 Dewey's end was sad... But what a cheap and dumb way to go out... Carved up by a 90 pound brat.
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Post by James on Mar 11, 2022 2:31:43 GMT
Just finished this film. I definitely enjoyed it, on the fence of where I'd rank it with the others right now. A bit divided on them doing more of these, cause on one hand this feels like a decent enough finale but I do like the new characters they bring in, the scenes with the sisters were emotionally well done.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Mar 12, 2022 23:06:24 GMT
Just finished this film. I definitely enjoyed it, on the fence of where I'd rank it with the others right now. A bit divided on them doing more of these, cause on one hand this feels like a decent enough finale but I do like the new characters they bring in, the scenes with the sisters were emotionally well done. It definitely feels like the original characters have reached the end of the road. The only one I think they could have done more with is the one they chose to kill off. As far as the surviving newbies go, I wasn't crazy about them, but hopefully 6 can flesh them out and make me care about them.
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Post by James on Mar 13, 2022 0:10:26 GMT
Just finished this film. I definitely enjoyed it, on the fence of where I'd rank it with the others right now. A bit divided on them doing more of these, cause on one hand this feels like a decent enough finale but I do like the new characters they bring in, the scenes with the sisters were emotionally well done. It definitely feels like the original characters have reached the end of the road. The only one I think they could have done more with is the one they chose to kill off. As far as the surviving newbies go, I wasn't crazy about them, but hopefully 6 can flesh them out and make me care about them. Yeah, there isn't a whole lot you can do with the remaining old characters, their centric roles were reserved in this new movie, though I understand it was to make room for the new characters. What I will say is the way they had that one character go out was kind of a dumb move with the decision they made that led to said death, but I also thought it was refreshing to have some balls to go through with it this time.
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Post by politicidal on Mar 17, 2022 17:54:49 GMT
A familiar face will potentially soon return to Woodsboro. In a new interview published Wednesday, Courteney Cox revealed she might be returning to the Scream franchise in its next installment, due to begin filming this summer. That means for the sixth straight movie, Cox's Gale Weathers could be a staple in helping solve another batch of Ghostface killings. "I got the script yesterday. I haven't read it yet, I just got it," the Friends alum said on Variety's Just a Variety podcast. "I'm excited to read it, and I know they're gonna start filming I think in June, in Canada. I don't know if I'm supposed to say anything. Let me tell you the killer!" With Cox potentially on board, it stands to reason she may soon be accompanied by Neve Campbell's Sidney Prescott, though the latter said she hadn't inked any deals yet. Last month she said she had yet to get her hands a script, and she wants to read that before deciding to come back. "They have approached me. There's no script yet. There is a draft coming in soon is what I was told," Campbell said. "Actually, I was supposed to call a producer yesterday, because he wanted to talk to me about what's going on. You know, we'll see. I'll read the script and see how I feel."
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Post by Anonymous Andy on Mar 17, 2022 18:33:49 GMT
A familiar face will potentially soon return to Woodsboro. In a new interview published Wednesday, Courteney Cox revealed she might be returning to the Scream franchise in its next installment, due to begin filming this summer. That means for the sixth straight movie, Cox's Gale Weathers could be a staple in helping solve another batch of Ghostface killings. "I got the script yesterday. I haven't read it yet, I just got it," the Friends alum said on Variety's Just a Variety podcast. "I'm excited to read it, and I know they're gonna start filming I think in June, in Canada. I don't know if I'm supposed to say anything. Let me tell you the killer!" With Cox potentially on board, it stands to reason she may soon be accompanied by Neve Campbell's Sidney Prescott, though the latter said she hadn't inked any deals yet. Last month she said she had yet to get her hands a script, and she wants to read that before deciding to come back. "They have approached me. There's no script yet. There is a draft coming in soon is what I was told," Campbell said. "Actually, I was supposed to call a producer yesterday, because he wanted to talk to me about what's going on. You know, we'll see. I'll read the script and see how I feel."
I'm conflicted. On one hand, the new movie convinced me I don't need more of the original cast (especially after Dewey's death ) and would rather they just sail off into the sunset at this point. However, I also don't think the new characters are strong enough to carry a whole film on their own.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Mar 17, 2022 19:02:13 GMT
A familiar face will potentially soon return to Woodsboro. In a new interview published Wednesday, Courteney Cox revealed she might be returning to the Scream franchise in its next installment, due to begin filming this summer. That means for the sixth straight movie, Cox's Gale Weathers could be a staple in helping solve another batch of Ghostface killings. "I got the script yesterday. I haven't read it yet, I just got it," the Friends alum said on Variety's Just a Variety podcast. "I'm excited to read it, and I know they're gonna start filming I think in June, in Canada. I don't know if I'm supposed to say anything. Let me tell you the killer!" With Cox potentially on board, it stands to reason she may soon be accompanied by Neve Campbell's Sidney Prescott, though the latter said she hadn't inked any deals yet. Last month she said she had yet to get her hands a script, and she wants to read that before deciding to come back. "They have approached me. There's no script yet. There is a draft coming in soon is what I was told," Campbell said. "Actually, I was supposed to call a producer yesterday, because he wanted to talk to me about what's going on. You know, we'll see. I'll read the script and see how I feel."
I'm conflicted. On one hand, the new movie convinced me I don't need more of the original cast (especially after Dewey's death ) and would rather they just sail off into the sunset at this point. However, I also don't think the new characters are strong enough to carry a whole film on their own. Pretty much where I am. I guess Sam being the daughter of Billy and prone to his psychosis has potential to be interesting. There wasn't much to her sister, though I like Jenna Ortega. But I really didn't care for either of the twin characters. Mindy was a weak substitute for Randy and her "requel" stuff and accusing everyone got annoying fast.
There's actually an Easter egg that reveals Kirby survived Scream 4. If they could get Hayden Panetierre back, that'd be cool. Definitely prefer her to Mindy.
But yeah, I'm kinda wary of what more they can do with Sid and Gale. They made it pretty explicit the only reason Sid even showed up was to avenge Dewey, so what could get her back into action *again*? Especially when she has a family now. This is why I think it was probably a mistake killing Dewey instead of one of the others. At least with his character: he's still in Woodsboro, has a connection to the newbies, has something to prove and nothing to lose, etc. He could have stuck around as a mentor type figure overcoming his flaws.
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Post by politicidal on Mar 20, 2022 2:58:21 GMT
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Post by forca84 on Mar 20, 2022 16:37:34 GMT
The motive this time will be inaccurate Wikipedia entries...
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