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Post by ThreeSticks on Jul 18, 2021 19:56:39 GMT
Endangering mankind? 98.9% survival rate. Stop spreading fear. So if it’s a 98.9% survival rate that means a 1.1% mortality rate? Ok. According to google the world population is roughly 7.674 billion people. 1.1% of that a little over 84 million deaths. I dunno, seems like a lot to me. Of course, that number could be reduced if people like Nola got a vaccine. That's not how it works. You can't take mortality and survival rates and apply it to the total population.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Jul 18, 2021 19:57:21 GMT
But isn't part of keeping the vulnerable folks safe getting the shot?
No. Even if you've gotten the vax you can still pass it on to others. Yes - but apparently the hospitalization rate is a lot less if you've gotten the vaxx and come down with Covid
i.e. - the vaxx works enough that it is not as deadly - it is pretty much like a cold and not necessarily as worrisome
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Jul 18, 2021 20:00:36 GMT
But isn't part of keeping the vulnerable folks safe getting the shot?
Perhaps, or perhaps if you just use common sense you can still protect those folks without having to get the shot. I think it should be left up to each individual. If you feel comfortable getting the shot and you feel it's the safest route, then by all means, do it. It's just I feel for a lot of folks, they don't feel the vaccinations are the safest way to go. I know one thing, I'm hearing about a LOT of folks who have been vaccinated, yet still got the virus. That's not really gonna convince skeptical people to get the shot. I've heard some stories as well about people who got the shot(s) and still got COVID
Apparently the hospitalization rate is a lot less and it's less deadly - i.e. the shot is able to fight it off to the extent where it's not as worrisome
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jul 18, 2021 20:04:07 GMT
But isn't part of keeping the vulnerable folks safe getting the shot?
Perhaps, or perhaps if you just use common sense you can still protect those folks without having to get the shot. I think it should be left up to each individual. If you feel comfortable getting the shot and you feel it's the safest route, then by all means, do it. It's just I feel for a lot of folks, they don't feel the vaccinations are the safest way to go. I know one thing, I'm hearing about a LOT of folks who have been vaccinated, yet still got the virus. That's not really gonna convince skeptical people to get the shot. People get flu shots and get the flu. But the flu they get is generally more mild since they have partial immunity. I understand that there are people with pre-existing conditions for whom getting a Covid vaccine is not feasible. To my knowledge Nola hasn’t stated his specific reasons for not getting one. If he has one of these conditions, ok, move on. But if he doesn’t then he is part of the problem. And I don’t want to hear any Jenny McCarthy level replies here. People stuffing their faces with McDonalds or Rock Star Energy Drinks all of a sudden concerned with what they’re putting in their bodies. People who’d stone a woman for getting an abortion now chanting my body my choice. I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning. |
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jul 18, 2021 20:05:53 GMT
So if it’s a 98.9% survival rate that means a 1.1% mortality rate? Ok. According to google the world population is roughly 7.674 billion people. 1.1% of that a little over 84 million deaths. I dunno, seems like a lot to me. Of course, that number could be reduced if people like Nola got a vaccine. That's not how it works. You can't take mortality and survival rates and apply it to the total population. I’m using Miller’s numbers. If the 1.1% are all elderly, is that better for you? |
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Post by ThreeSticks on Jul 18, 2021 20:23:06 GMT
That's not how it works. You can't take mortality and survival rates and apply it to the total population. I’m using Miller’s numbers. If the 1.1% are all elderly, is that better for you? And you're using Miller's numbers incorrectly. Those survival rates and mortality rates apply to Covid cases, not world population.
Covid cases make up approx 2.4% of the world population.
Covid deaths make up approx .05% of the world population.
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Post by millar70 on Jul 18, 2021 20:26:06 GMT
That's not how it works. You can't take mortality and survival rates and apply it to the total population. I’m using Miller’s numbers. If the 1.1% are all elderly, is that better for you? Those aren't "my" numbers, they come straight from the CDC. Look them up, do your own research. |
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Jul 18, 2021 20:33:06 GMT
I guess what it comes down to is - I just want to protect my fellow man as much as I can - and I put my neighbor above me
Mark 12:31 - '‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jul 18, 2021 20:34:34 GMT
I’m using Miller’s numbers. If the 1.1% are all elderly, is that better for you? Those aren't "my" numbers, they come straight from the CDC. Look them up, do your own research. I didn’t mean you made up those numbers, I just meant the numbers you were referring to. |
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Post by millar70 on Jul 18, 2021 20:35:47 GMT
Perhaps, or perhaps if you just use common sense you can still protect those folks without having to get the shot. I think it should be left up to each individual. If you feel comfortable getting the shot and you feel it's the safest route, then by all means, do it. It's just I feel for a lot of folks, they don't feel the vaccinations are the safest way to go. I know one thing, I'm hearing about a LOT of folks who have been vaccinated, yet still got the virus. That's not really gonna convince skeptical people to get the shot. People get flu shots and get the flu. But the flu they get is generally more mild since they have partial immunity. I understand that there are people with pre-existing conditions for whom getting a Covid vaccine is not feasible. To my knowledge Nola hasn’t stated his specific reasons for not getting one. If he has one of these conditions, ok, move on. But if he doesn’t then he is part of the problem. And I don’t want to hear any Jenny McCarthy level replies here. People stuffing their faces with McDonalds or Rock Star Energy Drinks all of a sudden concerned with what they’re putting in their bodies. People who’d stone a woman for getting an abortion now chanting my body my choice. I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning. Unfortunately, for most people, it is totally political, but there are also many of us who are totally distrustful of government and the science community as well. Both entities have changed their tune numerous times involving Covid, so why should we blindly get in line to get a shot of something that has STILL NOT been approved by the FDA, and is still not effective for many people. And before you get too high on your soapbox, let's ask you this. If it was Trump telling people they need to get vaccinated, otherwise they are "uncaring" or "killing people", would you be as persistent telling everyone they should take the vaccine? Something tells me you might be singing a different tune. |
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Post by millar70 on Jul 18, 2021 20:38:28 GMT
I guess what it comes down to is - I just want to protect my fellow man as much as I can - and I put my neighbor above me Mark 12:31 - '‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.” Then do the right thing and make sure your neighbors have ALL of the facts, and let them make up their own minds. That's the best thing you can do for your neighbors. |
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Jul 18, 2021 20:43:07 GMT
I guess what it comes down to is - I just want to protect my fellow man as much as I can - and I put my neighbor above me Mark 12:31 - '‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.” Then do the right thing and make sure your neighbors have ALL of the facts, and let them make up their own minds. That's the best thing you can do for your neighbors. I even love Anti-Vaxxers even if I do not agree with their morals (Celtics fans too)
John 4:11 - 'Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.'
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Post by millar70 on Jul 18, 2021 20:55:42 GMT
Then do the right thing and make sure your neighbors have ALL of the facts, and let them make up their own minds. That's the best thing you can do for your neighbors. I even love Anti-Vaxxers even if I do not agree with their morals (Celtics fans too)
John 4:11 - 'Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.'
Actions speak louder than words. I'm not sure if Jesus literally said that, but I'm guessing that's how He felt. |
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Post by Marv on Jul 22, 2021 1:30:50 GMT
So long as they didn’t harp on about it. I find most athletes annoying when they draw me into a conversation that isn’t entertainment related.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 22, 2021 12:47:35 GMT
People get flu shots and get the flu. But the flu they get is generally more mild since they have partial immunity. I understand that there are people with pre-existing conditions for whom getting a Covid vaccine is not feasible. To my knowledge Nola hasn’t stated his specific reasons for not getting one. If he has one of these conditions, ok, move on. But if he doesn’t then he is part of the problem. And I don’t want to hear any Jenny McCarthy level replies here. People stuffing their faces with McDonalds or Rock Star Energy Drinks all of a sudden concerned with what they’re putting in their bodies. People who’d stone a woman for getting an abortion now chanting my body my choice. I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning. Unfortunately, for most people, it is totally political, but there are also many of us who are totally distrustful of government and the science community as well. Both entities have changed their tune numerous times involving Covid, so why should we blindly get in line to get a shot of something that has STILL NOT been approved by the FDA, and is still not effective for many people. And before you get too high on your soapbox, let's ask you this. If it was Trump telling people they need to get vaccinated, otherwise they are "uncaring" or "killing people", would you be as persistent telling everyone they should take the vaccine? Something tells me you might be singing a different tune. You may or may not currently be banned, but I'll put in my two cents anyway. A Flu shot doesn't make you immune to the flu, it makes the flu easier for your immune system to combat. Covid vaccine works the same way. You're going to have breakthrough infections, but the severity of the cases will be significantly diminished in vaccinated people. The recent rise in cases nationwide is no doubt caused by unvaccinated people roaming the countryside on vacation, and I'd guess those suffering the most are the ones who decided not to trust the vaccine. Also, the 'science community' changes their tune constantly because that's literally how science works. You form a hypothesis, you test it, you look at the results, you change your hypothesis accordingly. People used to think the Sun revolved around the Earth, but scientists changed their tune on that one. I trust science and while there is a chance of negative side effects, it's much less likely to happen than suffering potentially life threatening effects of Covid-19 for most people. Frank made an excellent point about hypocrisy, and I'll take it a step further. Those who complained about the 'wimps' who were 'afraid' of Covid are the same ones now 'afraid' of getting the vaccine. Why? Aren't you a tough guy? What can the government (or the private companies who actually manufactured the vaccines) do that nature (or the Chinese government, if you want to roll with conspiracy theories) can't? If Covid didn't scare you, why does the vaccine? It hasn't been approved by the FDA? Half of your war stories are about how wasted you were on illegal drugs, but the Covid vaccine is a bridge too far? Finally, since you brought him up...Trump told people to get vaccinated back in March. As I previously mentioned, it was (inexplicably) two months after he was vaccinated himself, but hey, better late than never. Though I don't blame his followers for questioning his judgment, considering he also suggested injecting disinfectant into your bloodstream last year. Hey, maybe he's looked at the science since then. As you said yourself, it's political for most people; and I'd say the tragedy here is that you're included in that demographic and you don't even realize it.
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Post by NJtoTX on Jul 22, 2021 12:48:56 GMT
So long as they didn’t harp on about it. I find most athletes annoying when they draw me into a conversation that isn’t entertainment related. Clapton is anti-vacc, and won't play a "segregated" venue that requires (proof of?) vaccination,
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Post by ThreeSticks on Jul 22, 2021 15:20:05 GMT
So long as they didn’t harp on about it. I find most athletes annoying when they draw me into a conversation that isn’t entertainment related. Clapton is anti-vacc, and won't play a "segregated" venue that requires (proof of?) vaccination, Clapton isn’t anti-vax. He had the vaccination and had a bad reaction to it. He is against forced or coerced vaccinations |
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