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Post by DC-Fan on May 17, 2017 7:08:11 GMT
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 17, 2017 13:09:18 GMT
From the article: "So that is my ultimate case for why I believe the DCEU to be superior to the MCU and once again, I want to make it clear that I don't hate or even dislike the MCU. I have no fanboy animosity toward Marvel Studios or their product and the only issues I have ever had come from the narratives perpetuated by the bloggers and fans who want to start fights and talk crap over social media whenever someone says they prefer the DCEU. If you are allowed to think and believe that the MCU is better, then I and others allowed to believe that DCEU is better. That's how opinions work, on a platform of mutual respect. Both franchises are viable, successful, entertaining, profitable and here for the long haul no matter what anyone says, and there is more than enough room for both of them to exist even if each of us has a preference for one or the other. Please remember that."Thank you, DC-Fan , for your constant and continual attempts at diplomacy and goodwill between the MCU and DC fan bases. We can only hope someday the MCU community here on IMDBv2.0 reciprocates the same spirit of class, camaraderie, and character exhibited here in this article you've helpfully shared with us all.
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Post by zoilus on May 17, 2017 14:18:14 GMT
LOL no.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 17, 2017 14:23:17 GMT
Search your feelings. You know it to be true. Wait, we aren't on the Star Wars boards, are we? hmm...
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 17:04:51 GMT
Everybody has the right to their opinions. So enjoy yours.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 19:07:05 GMT
Well, that article is the biggest bit of dreck I've ever read.
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Post by Skaathar on May 17, 2017 19:25:20 GMT
I agreed with the article on points 1 and 2 but point 3, 4 and 5 are just completely bonkers.
DCEU stories have more depth? Uhmm Martha? Tornadocide? The fact that the big bad in Suicide Squad only became a threat because the team was built?
Better villains? Because Lex and Enchantress were so much better than MCU villains right?
And as for diversity, please. AoS alone is probably more diverse than the entire DCEU at this point.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 19:29:04 GMT
I agreed with the article on points 1 and 2 but point 3, 4 and 5 are just completely bonkers. DCEU stories have more depth? Uhmm Martha? Tornadocide? The fact that the big bad in Suicide Squad only became a threat because the team was built? Better villains? Because Lex and Enchantress were so much better than MCU villains right? Yeah, nothing in the DCEU has been anywhere near The Winter Soldier's league, or even Age of Ultron's, really. Zod is just a generic, over the top bad guy and impossible to take seriously thanks to the "I WILL FIND HIM" Where's Waldo-related meme that's sprung up around him. And Lex Luthor is just all wrong, and the Leto Joker is the worst Joker in the history of ever. According to the DCEU, if Scott Lang and Batman met, the latter would be required to Bat Brand the former just for being an petty crook.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on May 17, 2017 19:33:09 GMT
well, this assessment is only fair I guess. Just one point I cannot see at all: The music. While both MCU and DCEU (so far) are notorious for having bland generic soundtracks, the win goes to MCU here. Alan Silvestri's The Avenger title music with its two themes is pretty neat, and one of the few memorable pieces of composition from these commercial franchises. The mentioned WW theme music however is just another example of Hans Zimmer's generic use of tribal drums paired with bland e-guitar rhythms without any major musical ideas; form over substance pandering to easily amused, a guilty pleasure maybe, but hardly a valuable musical contribution.
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Post by Skaathar on May 17, 2017 19:52:12 GMT
I agreed with the article on points 1 and 2 but point 3, 4 and 5 are just completely bonkers. DCEU stories have more depth? Uhmm Martha? Tornadocide? The fact that the big bad in Suicide Squad only became a threat because the team was built? Better villains? Because Lex and Enchantress were so much better than MCU villains right? Yeah, nothing in the DCEU has been anywhere near The Winter Soldier's league, or even Age of Ultron's, really. Zod is just a generic, over the top bad guy and impossible to take seriously thanks to the "I WILL FIND HIM" Where's Waldo-related meme that's sprung up around him. And Lex Luthor is just all wrong, and the Leto Joker is the worst Joker in the history of ever. According to the DCEU, if Scott Lang and Batman met, the latter would be required to Bat Brand the former just for being an petty crook. Yeah, I actually thought this was going to be a decent article written by an objective person... because there are valid criticisms against the MCU that the DCEU does better. But when he mentioned that DCEU had deeper storylines I started to wonder, and by the time he/she got to "DCEU have better villains" I knew the author was just your generic DCEU fan trying they're hardest to convince themselves that DCEU is better than the MCU.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 19:55:08 GMT
Yeah, nothing in the DCEU has been anywhere near The Winter Soldier's league, or even Age of Ultron's, really. Zod is just a generic, over the top bad guy and impossible to take seriously thanks to the "I WILL FIND HIM" Where's Waldo-related meme that's sprung up around him. And Lex Luthor is just all wrong, and the Leto Joker is the worst Joker in the history of ever. According to the DCEU, if Scott Lang and Batman met, the latter would be required to Bat Brand the former just for being an petty crook. Yeah, I actually thought this was going to be a decent article written by an objective person... because there are valid criticisms against the MCU that the DCEU does better. But when he mentioned that DCEU had deeper storylines I started to wonder, and by the time he/she got to "DCEU have better villains" I knew the author was just your generic DCEU fan trying they're hardest to convince themselves that DCEU is better than the MCU. I didn't think the author had ANY points. The DCEU films have all been different shades of gray on gray scenario, which completely kills an and all cool shots they could film. At least the MCU films have the sense to let some of their scenes take place under blues skies.
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Post by spooner5020 on May 17, 2017 23:30:37 GMT
There should be a topic called "Why DC-Fan is really stupid".
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Post by DC-Fan on May 18, 2017 0:39:49 GMT
DCEU stories have more depth? Uhmm Martha? Tornadocide? Ronan the Big Bad Destroyer of Planets getting defeated by a Dance-Off. Captain America: "I'm from Queens." Spider-Kid: "I'm from the Bronx." Captain America: "Really, kid? We're from the same city? OK, let's stop fighting then." Stops fighting and walks away in the middle of the fight all because he and Spider-Kid are from the same city. AoS alone is probably more diverse than the entire DCEU at this point. AoS is a TV show not a movie. MCU doesn't want diversity in their movies. 15 MCU movies so far. Lead character in all 15 movies has been a Caucasian male. Way to promote diversity!
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Post by Skaathar on May 18, 2017 1:22:02 GMT
DCEU stories have more depth? Uhmm Martha? Tornadocide? Ronan the Big Bad Destroyer of Planets getting defeated by a Dance-Off. Captain America: "I'm from Queens." Spider-Kid: "I'm from the Bronx." Captain America: "Really, kid? We're from the same city? OK, let's stop fighting then." Stops fighting and walks away in the middle of the fight all because he and Spider-Kid are from the same city. AoS alone is probably more diverse than the entire DCEU at this point. AoS is a TV show not a movie. MCU doesn't want diversity in their movies. 15 MCU movies so far. Lead character in all 15 movies has been a Caucasian male. Way to promote diversity! Ronan was not defeated by a dance-off. He was defeated by an infinity stone. You need to rewatch that movie again. Cap and Spidey didn't stop because they were both from New York. They stopped fighting because Spiderman was trapped and Cap was trying to get away. You need to rewatch that movie again. AoS is part of the MCU. The article you linked specifically mentioned MCU and DCEU, therefor AoS is included. You need to re-read that article again.
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Post by Nalkarj on May 18, 2017 1:35:45 GMT
Oh, you guys...
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Post by zoilus on May 18, 2017 1:59:53 GMT
Ronan was not defeated by a dance-off. He was defeated by an infinity stone. You need to rewatch that movie again. Cap and Spidey didn't stop because they were both from New York. They stopped fighting because Spiderman was trapped and Cap was trying to get away. You need to rewatch that movie again. AoS is part of the MCU. The article you linked specifically mentioned MCU and DCEU, therefor AoS is included. You need to re-read that article again. He's been told those things before. He doesn't learn. He's just a troll.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on May 18, 2017 2:01:39 GMT
1. and 2. are fair, but i will add that i thought Guardians of the galaxy vol 2 cinematography was gorgeous in alot of shots.
3. What's the risk? Rushing things like superman death?
4. Look i'm all for diversity and inclusion, but did that make Suicide Squad a good film? No, i rather the film maker focus on making a good film, than worrying about checking some diversity check list. (I know this is probably a controversial opinion, but whatever)
5. I've criticised the mcu for some of its lackluster villains, but is DCEU really any better? Zod was typically Zod, Lex was....yeah, Joker and Enchantress were both terrible and Amanda was the only decent thing about SS.
6. Okay both Man of Steel and Batman v Superman had great scores, especially Wonder Woman theme. I dont remember Suicide Squad's score. As for MCU i thought The Avengers and Guardians of the galaxy vol 1 and 2 had great scores, outside of that the other films didn't do much for me.
7. Not sure how i feel about this. I'm not against a director having more freedom if he or she vision works, but you also risk having another Ayer.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 2:41:06 GMT
1. and 2. are fair, but i will add that i thought Guardians of the galaxy vol 2 cinematography was gorgeous in alot of shots. 3. What's the risk? Rushing things like superman death? 4. Look i'm all for diversity and inclusion, but did that make Suicide Squad a good film? No, i rather the film maker focus on making a good film, than worrying about checking some diversity check list. (I know this is probably a controversial opinion, but whatever) 5. I've criticised the mcu for some of its lackluster villains, but is DCEU really any better? Zod was typically Zod, Lex was....yeah, Joker and Enchantress were both terrible and Amanda was the only decent thing about SS. 6. Okay both Man of Steel and Batman v Superman had great scores, especially Wonder Woman theme. I dont remember Suicide Squad's score. As for MCU i thought The Avengers and Guardians of the galaxy vol 1 and 2 had great scores, outside of that the other films didn't do much for me. 7. Not sure how i feel about this. I'm not against a director having more freedom if he or she vision works, but you also risk having another Ayer. Ayer isn't exactly the one at fault for how SS turned out. WB interfered a hell of a lot, so we'll never truly know his original vision.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on May 18, 2017 2:52:00 GMT
1. and 2. are fair, but i will add that i thought Guardians of the galaxy vol 2 cinematography was gorgeous in alot of shots. 3. What's the risk? Rushing things like superman death? 4. Look i'm all for diversity and inclusion, but did that make Suicide Squad a good film? No, i rather the film maker focus on making a good film, than worrying about checking some diversity check list. (I know this is probably a controversial opinion, but whatever) 5. I've criticised the mcu for some of its lackluster villains, but is DCEU really any better? Zod was typically Zod, Lex was....yeah, Joker and Enchantress were both terrible and Amanda was the only decent thing about SS. 6. Okay both Man of Steel and Batman v Superman had great scores, especially Wonder Woman theme. I dont remember Suicide Squad's score. As for MCU i thought The Avengers and Guardians of the galaxy vol 1 and 2 had great scores, outside of that the other films didn't do much for me. 7. Not sure how i feel about this. I'm not against a director having more freedom if he or she vision works, but you also risk having another Ayer. Ayer isn't exactly the one at fault for how SS turned out. WB interfered a hell of a lot, so we'll never truly know his original vision. Sounds like WB didn't like what he did, after all he shot supposedly over 4 hours of footage and only used half. So unless WB saw what he did and tried to salvage what they can to release a film, or they put too much hope into him and he got out of control. Either way that film was bad. Like Thor: The Dark World bad!
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 3:13:44 GMT
Ayer isn't exactly the one at fault for how SS turned out. WB interfered a hell of a lot, so we'll never truly know his original vision. Sounds like WB didn't like what he did, after all he shot supposedly over 4 hours of footage and only used half. So unless WB saw what he did and tried to salvage what they can to release a film, or they put too much hope into him and he got out of control. Either way that film was bad. Like Thor: The Dark World bad! These are the same people who gave Zack Snyder the keys to the city and didn't take the hint to fire him when Man of Steel was met with lukewarm reception and underperformed so badly it barely did better than Thor: The Dark World. This puts their ability to properly appraise Ayer's work into question. Plus, they basically made him rush to finish the script instead of letting him finish it at a normal pace. It sounds to me like they're at fault here. Not him.
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