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Post by mstreepsucks on Jul 27, 2021 17:33:42 GMT
episode vii. Because most likely one of the reasons that didn't happen, is because they thought that would be racist and sexist? I think so, what is your opinion? I do know, of course that they didn't want luke to show up until the very end and the reason for why he ended up being barely in the film. And ya i know han got killed fairly early on, but they could have had him get killed later on, thus allowing for a reunion scene to happen.
But i'm saying even it wasn't for that, they would still think that a reunion scene would be racist and sexist. At least in the context of what they were trying to do with episode vii.
So even though they had two of the people reunite in this film, that is basically as far of an extent that they could have. Because if they had all 3 people they would say it's too close to white washing.
I could be wrong. But, you know what i'm sayin'?
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Jul 27, 2021 23:10:02 GMT
I don’t think that had much to do with it. The racial thing. It seems that Harrison Ford wanted his character killed off by the end of the first movie in the trilogy. At least that’s the rumor.
They didn’t put Luke (Mark Hamill) in episode 7 because they wanted to give the entire Jedi spotlight to Rey. They kept scaling back his role with each rewrite until they entirely eliminated him (except for the closing cameo). Even his role in episode 8 got rewritten to take out/change scenes where Luke would perform skills in using the Force.
So if you want to say that constitutes gender reasons for blocking the reunion, then…
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Post by mstreepsucks on Jul 28, 2021 4:41:49 GMT
I don’t think that had much to do with it. The racial thing. It seems that Harrison Ford wanted his character killed off by the end of the first movie in the trilogy. At least that’s the rumor. They didn’t put Luke (Mark Hamill) in episode 7 because they wanted to give the entire Jedi spotlight to Rey. They kept scaling back his role with each rewrite until they entirely eliminated him (except for the closing cameo). Even his role in episode 8 got rewritten to take out/change scenes where Luke would perform skills in using the Force. So if you want to say that constitutes gender reasons for blocking the reunion, then… I just think that there's no way they could have had a reunion with all three characters in that film. Because episode iv has been accused of white washing. Basically the last thing they could do today is reiterate that same thing.
Basically if they did that sort of thing, that would fly in the face of what they were trying to do with episode vii. In other words it would definately contradict episode vii's ideas.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jul 28, 2021 20:30:11 GMT
Conspiracy theories aside, it seems like they wanted to give each one their own movie to shine. Han obviously with TFA, Luke with TLJ, and (had Carrie not died) Leia with 9.
TFA and presumably TRoS could use more Luke, but I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with focusing on new characters. That was one of George's ideas. And if you look at the saga as a whole, it's about three different generations.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 28, 2021 21:10:52 GMT
Harrison Ford’s insistence that Han be killed off, along with the decision to only have Luke Skywalker appear at the end of the movie, already made it extremely difficult for there to be a proper reunion, but Carrie Fisher’s death sealed the deal.
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Post by mstreepsucks on Jul 29, 2021 4:27:40 GMT
Harrison Ford’s insistence that Han be killed off, along with the decision to only have Luke Skywalker appear at the end of the movie, already made it extremely difficult for there to be a proper reunion, but Carrie Fisher’s death sealed the deal. Correct, but i'm saying it has reasons above and beyond that, in this film for not having a reunion. Because of this fact. And i could be wrong.
but if i recall correctly there is no point in any of this film where 3 white people are in a scene together. Because they think even that would be too much white washing. I'm saying three white people i'm saying in terms of main characters.
Give you a specific example, when they had han solo in it, there was him, a white lady. and a non white man in that part of the film.
So therefore it's proven that 3 caucasian people. Is not what they they wanted in this film for who knows what reason.
And by the way i'll tell you what i just found out: caucasian is an obsolete racial classification of human beings . At least that's what it says on wikipedia.
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Post by mstreepsucks on Jul 29, 2021 18:57:26 GMT
Now that i think of it they did have 3 white people in one scene, but it lea rey and han solo. But since only one of them was male, i'm still pretty right.
Because it was still mostly women, so therefore they thought it was ok.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Jul 30, 2021 0:05:19 GMT
Harrison Ford’s insistence that Han be killed off, along with the decision to only have Luke Skywalker appear at the end of the movie, already made it extremely difficult for there to be a proper reunion, but Carrie Fisher’s death sealed the deal. Correct, but i'm saying it has reasons above and beyond that, in this film for not having a reunion. Because of this fact. And i could be wrong.
but if i recall correctly there is no point in any of this film where 3 white people are in a scene together. Because they think even that would be too much white washing. I'm saying three white people i'm saying in terms of main characters.
Give you a specific example, when they had han solo in it, there was him, a white lady. and a non white man in that part of the film.
So therefore it's proven that 3 caucasian people. Is not what they they wanted in this film for who knows what reason.
And by the way i'll tell you what i just found out: caucasian is an obsolete racial classification of human beings . At least that's what it says on wikipedia.
I still don’t think the whitewash issue factors in. And this is why… Even if Luke had been given the screen time that he was to originally have in episode 7, it would not have effected the role or screen time of Fin (the minority character). And there wouldn’t have been any character type competition between Fin and Luke. So it makes no sense to take Luke out the movie for the sake of giving minorities more screen time or to stop whitewashing. However it is documented that Michael Arndt (the original screenplay writer for TFA) was instructed to keep scaling back Luke’s screen time in numerous rewrites to give Rey’s character more spotlight. He has been quoted in saying this. movieweb.com/star-wars-force-awakens-rejected-plots-storylines/“Early on I tried to write versions of the story where [Rey] is at home, her home is destroyed, and then she goes on the road and meets Luke. And then she goes and kicks the bad guy's ass. It just never worked and I struggled with this. This was back in 2012. It just felt like every time Luke came in and entered the movie, he just took it over. Suddenly you didn't care about your main character anymore because, 'Oh f-k, Luke Skywalker's here. I want to see what he's going to do” - Michael Arndt www.inverse.com/article/40133-star-wars-luke-skywalker-force-last-jedi-force-awakens-endingSo that, combined with Han dying and Carrie Fisher’s real life death is why there wasn’t a real threesome reunion. |
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Post by shannondegroot on Jul 30, 2021 2:30:26 GMT
Chewbacca would have been there too.
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Post by mstreepsucks on Jul 30, 2021 22:40:07 GMT
Chewbacca would have been there too. They wouldn't have a problem putting him in, cuz he isn't white. But maybe they would, cuz he's male.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Aug 1, 2021 16:54:18 GMT
Lol.
DSW haters: "Disney has to make everything political!!!"
Also DSW haters: "They didn't have a reunion of characters because they hate white men!!!!"
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Post by mstreepsucks on Aug 1, 2021 17:34:34 GMT
Lol. DSW haters: "Disney has to make everything political!!!" Also DSW haters: "They didn't have a reunion of characters because they hate white men!!!!" But it's their own fault, cuz they put kennedy in charge of it. kk kenedy.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Aug 1, 2021 20:04:35 GMT
No need to overthink it, it's all because Kathleen Kennedy doesn't have a freaking clue what to do, that answers that question.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Aug 1, 2021 20:10:23 GMT
Lol. DSW haters: "Disney has to make everything political!!!" Also DSW haters: "They didn't have a reunion of characters because they hate white men!!!!" Just the fact that they didn't reunite Luke, Leia, and Han together on the screen is nothing short of a let down to any fan of Star Wars regardless of personal political party identification or appreciation of certain content of the franchise. It was the most obvious thing to do, and they didn't do it.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Aug 4, 2021 19:47:28 GMT
No need to overthink it, it's all because Kathleen Kennedy doesn't have a freaking clue what to do, that answers that question. She didn’t. Beyond protecting (or overprotecting) Rey’s spotlight. And sadly neither did JJ Abrams beyond what he wrote for TFA. That’s why this trilogy turned into a mess. |
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