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Post by janntosh on Jul 28, 2021 13:07:34 GMT
Film? I saw it more than ten years ago but from what I remember the acting wasn’t particularly impressive and there were some terrible rear projection effects and silly looking attack scenes. Don’t like this term too much but it might apply here. This might be a movie that doesn’t hold up
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Post by Archelaus on Jul 28, 2021 15:33:54 GMT
Not to me it isn't. The Birds was an enjoyable thriller. Yes, the visual effects may look dated when considered against the advancement in recent decades, but the scenes in which they used real birds still work wonderfully.
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Post by Mulder and Scully on Jul 28, 2021 15:50:19 GMT
Rear projection effects are some of the worst things about old movies. It looks so bad and distracting.
Some people complain about CGI but rear projection effects are worse. I'll take well rendered CGI any day over them.
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Post by phantomparticle on Jul 28, 2021 15:51:17 GMT
I like the movie. Saw it in '63. The ending was just a much a head shaker as the conclusion of 2001, A Space Odyssey. If I had to choose one Hitchcock that left me underwhelmed, it would be To Catch A Thief.
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Post by drystyx on Jul 28, 2021 16:20:47 GMT
It was terrible. He made it as a chick flick disguised as action. It's very dull. Not a guy film by any stretch, especially since the hot babe is killed and the guy has to settle for the plain girl.
1/10
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Post by Dramatic Look Gopher on Jul 28, 2021 17:05:14 GMT
Not at all. I think it's one of his best movies.
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Post by judgejosephdredd on Jul 28, 2021 19:04:55 GMT
It's a very good film, but not among Hitchcock's best in my opinion.
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Post by moviemouth on Jul 28, 2021 19:18:41 GMT
It definitely holds up imo. It has great style, is effective commentary on female victimhood and has one of the greatest horror scenes ever. The song in this scene is about a man who beats his wife for refusing to do housework for him.
Also, when you make the first non-B movie animal attack movie it is going to be very famous.
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Post by moviemouth on Jul 28, 2021 19:20:14 GMT
I like the movie. Saw it in '63. The ending was just a much a head shaker as the conclusion of 2001, A Space Odyssey. If I had to choose one Hitchcock that left me underwhelmed, it would be To Catch A Thief. To Catch a Thief is one that definitely leaves me underwhelmed.
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Post by jcush on Jul 28, 2021 20:05:29 GMT
I don't consider it one of his absolute best, but I think it's a very good movie.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jul 28, 2021 20:07:10 GMT
I'd say so, yeah. It's a tall order to make birds scary, and he doesn't quite pull it off. Nevermind the dated effects. Also, this happens:  The trailer is a work of art, though.
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Post by mortsahlfan on Jul 28, 2021 20:09:38 GMT
I didn't like it at all.. It's Freud 101.
Every time Melania gets "close" to Mitch, the jealous mother brings on the birds to attack her so she can have her son all to herself.
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Post by moviemouth on Jul 28, 2021 21:00:18 GMT
I didn't like it at all.. It's Freud 101. Every time Melania gets "close" to Mitch, the jealous mother brings on the birds to attack her so she can have her son all to herself. I was just looking at different takes on the meanings in the movie and it seems that many people get different things from the movie and people who see it as multiple metaphors at once. Even this comes up as one of the main ones on Google - The Birds is a political allegory about the psychological violence of capitalism and the fear-mongering of the Cold War. Fear of nuclear attack is apparent when the birds “cover the bay like a white cloud”, suggestive of a nuclear mushroom cloud. That didn't occur to me at all while watching the movie. I think the movie is using the birds to represent many things at once, including the obvious surface level one of nature fighting back. We see the pet shop of caged birds and then later the birds are attacking the city. At the very last scene the humans are surrounded by birds watching them.
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Post by darksidebeadle on Jul 28, 2021 22:11:13 GMT
It for me, top 10 hitch
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Post by wmcclain on Jul 28, 2021 22:56:32 GMT
The Birds (1963), directed by Alfred Hitchcock. First reviewI was pretty young when I first saw The Birds and I remember the shocking realization -- both a sinking sensation and one of exultation -- that the mystery is not going to be solved! I'd been trying to puzzle it out: is it the love-birds? Are they some sort of avian royalty that the other birds are trying to rescue? (Tell me you aren't yelling "Don't take the love-birds!" in the final scene). Or is it as the hysterical woman in the diner says: Melanie Daniels is evil! Or is Mother Nature responding to the unstable mother-lover-daughter structures we find in Bodega Bay? We are not to know. Some thrillers shock us by showing us shocking things; Hitchcock moves off our safe center by not giving us what we expect. My father used to complain about his TV shows: "They don't end, they just quit!" It's true; it doesn't end... My best example of another good film that doesn't solve the mystery is Peter Weir's Picnic at Hanging Rock (1975). This is Hitchcock's last great film. I keep it with the best of his post-1954 work: Rear Window (1954), Vertigo (1958), and Psycho (1960). It's not that I don't enjoy To Catch a Thief (1955) and North by Northwest (1959), but those are Hitchcock-genre romantic-comedy-action pictures. The other four are unique, nothing like each other. I can see how people might not like it as well as I do, even apart from the non-ending ending. It's slow-starting, although this gives us time to study the characters, each mysterious in their own way. This is Tippi Hedren's first film and she doesn't seem like a pro actress yet, although that cool demeanor concealing hidden depths is appropriate for the character. Rod Taylor is manly and stalwart, a good survivalist, but sometimes wooden and impenetrable, perhaps just a male figurehead surrounded by all that female energy? We have a rich supporting cast, often more fun to watch than the leads. (Suzanne Pleshette Fan Club). And when the action begins (the phone booth, the upper bedroom) it is tremendously well done. Misc notes: - Melanie employs "reverse voyeurism" when she sneaks the love-birds into Mitch's house. It is erotic play without being seen. But Mitch brings out the binoculars: you know how men are.
- At one time I was sure that using the love-birds as a prank was the cause of the whole disaster.
- That long scene in the playground where Melanie smokes and the birds are assembling off screen: she doesn't turn around and we can't see. Do we want to or don't we?
- I've seen Charles McGraw in many films, but each time my first thought is: "Gruff-voiced fisherman in The Birds diner!" What happened to that character during the attack?
- I love, just love, the silent aerial shot of the burning gas station.
- The mother-daughter/rival-lover tension between Melanie and Lydia is very mysterious. It is not at all clear what either is thinking.
- Hitchcock's monster movie: he chose the eco-apocalypse genre. With a siege, just like a zombie apocalypse.
- Look at that beautifully eerie dawn shot in the second to the last pane below. It looks like an engraving for Bible art. The End Times? Or the Eden of the birds?
- Good Boedega Bay locations, although we have even more than the usual number of process shots.
- No musical score to speak of.
- This is Hitchcock's third film based on a Daphne Du Maurier story. Just coincidence: they didn't have a working relationship.
- Screenplay by Evan Hunter, well known for his Ed McBain "87th Precinct" series.
Available on Blu-ray. Second reviewI've given the film another viewing after enjoying Camille Paglia's slim book, The Birds, BFI Film Classics (1998). Like a lot of academics she is able to find endless correspondences. Everything means something, symbolizes something else. A more common viewer might find films filled with happy accidents as well as designed structures. She more than compensates for this lit-crit habit by showing a sincere enthusiasm for the film and all of Hitchcock's work. She gives a meticulous scene by scene analysis and really does come up with interesting observations that had not occurred to me. Her favorite bit: after Melanie is first hit by the gull, Mitch tends her cut with a bottle of peroxide in the restaurant. Peroxide blonde, get it? She likes all the actors and characters with the exception of young Cathy, who she finds too goody-goody. She defends first time actress Tippi Hedren, describing her performance as spot-on. She provides excerpts from interviews she did with Hedren. She presents the restaurant episode later in the movie as a perfect little 14 minute three-act play: - Dialogue in the lull between attacks: debate with the formidable ornithologist, the increasing panic of the mother and her children.
- Carnage on the street, exploding gas pumps, fire hoses, smashed phone booth.
- Discovery of the survivors huddled in the restaurant back room, a female jury to judge Melanie.
Paglia delivers one provoking thought almost as an aside. Everyone notes Hitchcock's style, but he doesn't begin with the intent to be stylish. He researched the street layout of Bodega Bay, the design of farm and school buildings there, what different types of women would have in their closets and handbags, how they carry their cigarettes (hard laquer case for Melanie, crushed paper pack for Annie Hayworth). The director's "style" emerges from the hard work of creating a deep world supporting the movie, a "reality" he then manipulates and photographs. Other directors who want to immitate his "style" are always going to fall short because there is more to the film than its surface appearance. Finally she points out something I had never noticed. Everyone presumes that is Tippi Hedren in the film poster, but it is actually adapted from a shot of Jessica Tandy as Lydia:  I've seen Paglia described as the "anti-feminist feminist" and she does seem to spend a lot of time criticizing feminism and academic ideologies. I think a kinder label would describe her as a " sex positive feminist" who loves the interplay of the passions in life and art. 
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Post by Prime etc. on Jul 28, 2021 23:01:30 GMT
I like it--the spfx were ground-breaking for the time. It's got the usual layers of dialogue that is interesting. Hitchcock's sci-fi movie?
Ub Iwerks was Disney's technical expert and he was lent out to Universal and Hitchcock (there was a story that Disney hated Hitchcock and refused to allow him to film a movie inside Disneyland). He used a yellow screen process for some bird FX. And some of the escaped birds in the house were animated by Disney animators. What did Rod Taylor do in the movie? Did he do anything? It seems like only the women characters stand out.
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Post by mortsahlfan on Jul 28, 2021 23:30:16 GMT
I didn't like it at all.. It's Freud 101. Every time Melania gets "close" to Mitch, the jealous mother brings on the birds to attack her so she can have her son all to herself. I was just looking at different takes on the meanings in the movie and it seems that many people get different things from the movie and people who see it as multiple metaphors at once. Even this comes up as one of the main ones on Google - The Birds is a political allegory about the psychological violence of capitalism and the fear-mongering of the Cold War. Fear of nuclear attack is apparent when the birds “cover the bay like a white cloud”, suggestive of a nuclear mushroom cloud. That didn't occur to me at all while watching the movie. I think the movie is using the birds to represent many things at once, including the obvious surface level one of nature fighting back. We see the pet shop of caged birds and then later the birds are attacking the city. At the very last scene the humans are surrounded by birds watching them.
I think some people intellectualize things that aren't there. Finding symbolism in places that don't exist. Abbas Kiarostami mentioned this a lot when people would read into nothing, and make it everything.
But, there was a weird relationship between mother and son, and every time Mitch and Melanie got close, the mother was angry, and the birds would attack.
But all the allegories people can mention isn't going to change how I felt about the movie. I like what Altman said about movies and viewers, how 1,000 viewers see 1,000 different movies.
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Post by moviemouth on Jul 29, 2021 0:08:29 GMT
I was just looking at different takes on the meanings in the movie and it seems that many people get different things from the movie and people who see it as multiple metaphors at once. Even this comes up as one of the main ones on Google - The Birds is a political allegory about the psychological violence of capitalism and the fear-mongering of the Cold War. Fear of nuclear attack is apparent when the birds “cover the bay like a white cloud”, suggestive of a nuclear mushroom cloud. That didn't occur to me at all while watching the movie. I think the movie is using the birds to represent many things at once, including the obvious surface level one of nature fighting back. We see the pet shop of caged birds and then later the birds are attacking the city. At the very last scene the humans are surrounded by birds watching them.
I think some people intellectualize things that aren't there. Finding symbolism in places that don't exist. Abbas Kiarostami mentioned this a lot when people would read into nothing, and make it everything.
But, there was a weird relationship between mother and son, and every time Mitch and Melanie got close, the mother was angry, and the birds would attack.
But all the allegories people can mention isn't going to change how I felt about the movie. I like what Altman said about movies and viewers, how 1,000 viewers see 1,000 different movies.
I like that too.
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Post by mikef6 on Jul 29, 2021 0:28:46 GMT
I saw “The Birds” the first weekend it opened in 1963. I was a high school senior and a budding film critic and scholar. When we left the theater (The Majestic in downtown San Antonio, Texas), I told my buddies that this was one of the greatest movies ever. Reading reviews later at the library, I learned that most professionals didn’t agree with me; there were mostly mixed reviews. Critical consensus took a little bit of time to catch up to me, but finally did. I believe it has finally caught up to me. It IS one of the Great Movies. And a lot of people agree with my assessment. My Lovely Wife and I had the opportunity to visit Bodega Bay a few years ago. We first stopped at the Visitor's Center. When I asked about "The Birds" sites, she handed me a two sided sheet from a large stack on the desk. I was prompted to ask how may "Birds" inquiries she got. She answered that one in every three was about "The Birds." The Tides restaurant has changed very much since the film shoot (there was a fire at some point followed by a renovation) but if you go to their outdoor seating overlooking the bay, you can see the dock where Tippi Hedren rents an outboard motor boat from 1930s comedian, Doodles Weaver. It has hardly changed a bit. The schoolhouse was an abandoned building in 1962. The film crew dressed it up a little bit and hung a sign on it. The house next door where Suzanne Pleshette lived was a façade and was taken down at the end of the location shooting. The entire site is now filled with mature trees. The “schoolhouse” is a private residence, but there is so much interest that the owners have put in a small parking lot for visitors’ convenience – but you park right in front of a sign asking for respect for privacy. This building is located in the nearby town of Bodega. In a bit of Movie Magic, when the school children flee down the hill, they arrive at the Tides which, in Reality, is seven miles away from where they started. I regret that some of you do not appreciate this fine film but it has certainly stood the test of time in academia as well as in the minds of ordinary folk like me. 
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Post by politicidal on Jul 29, 2021 1:02:05 GMT
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