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Post by Surly on Jul 29, 2021 0:20:13 GMT
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Post by NJtoTX on Jul 29, 2021 0:30:57 GMT
If her teammates and coach want her there, I suppose not.
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Jul 29, 2021 0:35:25 GMT
Deport her to Peru 🇵🇪
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Post by NJtoTX on Jul 29, 2021 14:19:45 GMT
US got all-around individual gold anyway. Suni Lee. Brazilian silver, Russian bronze.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 29, 2021 14:42:31 GMT
No. She should stay and cheer on her teammates.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jul 29, 2021 17:03:10 GMT
Comical, all of the couch competitors around this country judging an athlete with the resume she has. Hasn't she done enough for this country?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 29, 2021 17:31:03 GMT
Comical, all of the couch competitors around this country judging an athlete with the resume she has. Hasn't she done enough for this country? You're working on a project with a longtime associate and they get up and walk out in the middle of it. Haven't they done enough for you? Hell, the guy that cut you off in traffic, why are you judging him without knowing what he's going through? She's not a pariah but I think some criticism is fair. The guy calling her a national embarrassment needs to reevaluate his life priorities, but quitting on your team is never a good look. As a sports fan I can say I think it's strange and don't like the message it sends.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jul 29, 2021 17:41:49 GMT
Comical, all of the couch competitors around this country judging an athlete with the resume she has. Hasn't she done enough for this country? You're working on a project with a longtime associate and they get up and walk out in the middle of it. Haven't they done enough for you? Hell, the guy that cut you off in traffic, why are you judging him without knowing what he's going through? She's not a pariah but I think some criticism is fair. The guy calling her a national embarrassment needs to reevaluate his life priorities, but quitting on your team is never a good look. As a sports fan I can say I think it's strange and don't like the message it sends. I'm as guilty as anyone else of this. But we all sit in our comfy chairs, clutching the remote and think we can do better. "I wouldn't have swung at that ball in the dirt. I wouldn't have thrown that Pick Six. I would have drained that three pointer.". And we judge the pressures in our lives against athletes. Not a damned one of us have the weight of the expectations of an entire nation on us. I don' have hundreds of microphones pointed at me and I don't have ESPN spending hours analyzing how I'm going to so my job. Biles had a lot more going on than one bad routine. I'm sure she thought the US team was better off without her. If she had competed and turned in performances that I would have done, would that have cost the US a silver medal?
Not directing this at you, Rey. Just at the ones who are crucifying her as a "quitter"
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 29, 2021 18:23:41 GMT
You're working on a project with a longtime associate and they get up and walk out in the middle of it. Haven't they done enough for you? Hell, the guy that cut you off in traffic, why are you judging him without knowing what he's going through? She's not a pariah but I think some criticism is fair. The guy calling her a national embarrassment needs to reevaluate his life priorities, but quitting on your team is never a good look. As a sports fan I can say I think it's strange and don't like the message it sends. I'm as guilty as anyone else of this. But we all sit in our comfy chairs, clutching the remote and think we can do better. "I wouldn't have swung at that ball in the dirt. I wouldn't have thrown that Pick Six. I would have drained that three pointer.". And we judge the pressures in our lives against athletes. Not a damned one of us have the weight of the expectations of an entire nation on us. I don' have hundreds of microphones pointed at me and I don't have ESPN spending hours analyzing how I'm going to so my job. Biles had a lot more going on than one bad routine. I'm sure she thought the US team was better off without her. If she had competed and turned in performances that I would have done, would that have cost the US a silver medal?
Not directing this at you, Rey. Just at the ones who are crucifying her as a "quitter"
Yeah I completely agree that we're all armchair QBs when it comes to this stuff. I couldn't do what she can do, I think that's why I was so shocked at what happened. An up and coming phenom getting the yips on the big stage makes more sense than Simone Biles. Nerves happen to the best of us, I was just stunned that her reaction was to simply tap out. I was more disappointed that the narrative became about 'mental health,' and now nobody is allowed to criticize a poor showing or a questionable decision ever again. Some critics take it too far, but it's fair to question the decision not to continue. Since this story broke I've been one of the more vocal posters in expressing my disappointment, but I've also gone out of my way to say she doesn't owe us anything and her accomplishments speak for themselves. You also have to consider her history with the abusive pervert coach, she has some baggage she's been carrying a long time; I guess this is when it unfortunately became too much to handle anymore. Personally, I don't like the fact that she gave up, but there's much more to the story in this case. I don't get it, but I don't have to. Rick Ankiel was a pitcher until he wasn't anymore. You can't explain this stuff.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jul 29, 2021 18:52:45 GMT
I'm as guilty as anyone else of this. But we all sit in our comfy chairs, clutching the remote and think we can do better. "I wouldn't have swung at that ball in the dirt. I wouldn't have thrown that Pick Six. I would have drained that three pointer.". And we judge the pressures in our lives against athletes. Not a damned one of us have the weight of the expectations of an entire nation on us. I don' have hundreds of microphones pointed at me and I don't have ESPN spending hours analyzing how I'm going to so my job. Biles had a lot more going on than one bad routine. I'm sure she thought the US team was better off without her. If she had competed and turned in performances that I would have done, would that have cost the US a silver medal?
Not directing this at you, Rey. Just at the ones who are crucifying her as a "quitter"
Yeah I completely agree that we're all armchair QBs when it comes to this stuff. I couldn't do what she can do, I think that's why I was so shocked at what happened. An up and coming phenom getting the yips on the big stage makes more sense than Simone Biles. Nerves happen to the best of us, I was just stunned that her reaction was to simply tap out. I was more disappointed that the narrative became about 'mental health,' and now nobody is allowed to criticize a poor showing or a questionable decision ever again. Some critics take it too far, but it's fair to question the decision not to continue. Since this story broke I've been one of the more vocal posters in expressing my disappointment, but I've also gone out of my way to say she doesn't owe us anything and her accomplishments speak for themselves. You also have to consider her history with the abusive pervert coach, she has some baggage she's been carrying a long time; I guess this is when it unfortunately became too much to handle anymore. Personally, I don't like the fact that she gave up, but there's much more to the story in this case. I don't get it, but I don't have to. Rick Ankiel was a pitcher until he wasn't anymore. You can't explain this stuff. We judge athletes on just what we see on TV or in the stadium. And we judge my their money. "Boy, if I made $20,000,000 a year, I wouldn't act like ________ ." Most of have no clue how money and fame would affect us. I remember reading about Josh Hamilton. He got hurt in 2001 in a car wreck. The Rays told him just to take it easy while he rehabbed once a week. So you have a 19 year old kid in Florida with unlimited time and nearly unlimited money. At 19, I didn't say "no" to a lot of temptations and I didn't have a $3,000,000 signing bonus. I probably would have gone down the same road as he did. Dwight Gooden said he seen a lot of similarities between his life and rock stars. If he went to a party and didn't do drugs, people thought him to be an arrogant asshole. Then there's the media. The constant idiotic questions "You just lost the Super Bowl. How do you feel?" Really? Tell a reporter that he asks dopey questions and they murder you in print. It's old tales how the writers heaped pressure on DiMaggio when he was on the hit streak and Roger Maris when he was chasing Ruth's 60 homers. All that before the internet, 24 hour sports networks etc.
And I'n not saying athletes should get a free pass. I have no patience for Pete Rose. One way and one way only to be perma-banned from baseball and he did it. If you belong to a club with one rule and you break it, well boo fucking hoo. Also with athletes who get a shot at the big time and piss it away with a shitty attitude. Many quarterbacks are examples, Art Schlichter, JaMarcus Russell, Johnny "Football".
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jul 29, 2021 19:09:14 GMT
You're working on a project with a longtime associate and they get up and walk out in the middle of it. Haven't they done enough for you? Hell, the guy that cut you off in traffic, why are you judging him without knowing what he's going through? She's not a pariah but I think some criticism is fair. The guy calling her a national embarrassment needs to reevaluate his life priorities, but quitting on your team is never a good look. As a sports fan I can say I think it's strange and don't like the message it sends. I'm as guilty as anyone else of this. But we all sit in our comfy chairs, clutching the remote and think we can do better. "I wouldn't have swung at that ball in the dirt. I wouldn't have thrown that Pick Six. I would have drained that three pointer.". And we judge the pressures in our lives against athletes. Not a damned one of us have the weight of the expectations of an entire nation on us. I don' have hundreds of microphones pointed at me and I don't have ESPN spending hours analyzing how I'm going to so my job. Biles had a lot more going on than one bad routine. I'm sure she thought the US team was better off without her. If she had competed and turned in performances that I would have done, would that have cost the US a silver medal?
Not directing this at you, Rey. Just at the ones who are crucifying her as a "quitter"
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Post by NJtoTX on Jul 29, 2021 19:18:12 GMT
If a gymnast or downhill skier starts losing what they need to do in midair, risking paralysis or death, who are we to say to suck it up and fix it?
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Jul 29, 2021 19:22:34 GMT
I hope she's not as bad as Fed....
Fed after he won his 3rd Round Match at the French Open...
'I'm out of here suckers! I got my practice in! This tourney isn't important to me! I'm not going to win here anyway! See you at Wimbledon!'
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Post by hi224 on Jul 29, 2021 20:52:52 GMT
I mean I've quit before within the middle of things, definitely if I become overwhelmed, but that's just my brain. I do have OCD and anxiety so that contributes.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jul 29, 2021 21:28:05 GMT
I mean I've quit before within the middle of things, definitely if I become overwhelmed, but that's just my brain. I do have OCD and anxiety so that contributes. On this point, she was apparently legitimately has ADD and has been taking Ritalin for years, and was able to do so in Rio, but in Japan it's illegal with no exceptions. Hard to diagnose someone from a distance, without an expertise, and with such little information, but that's what we're here for, right? Anyway, it's possible that coming off of meds and either the effects of her ADD coming back and/or the withdrawals from cycling off of Ritalin could have had a real effect on her ability to perform properly. |
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Post by hi224 on Jul 29, 2021 22:11:51 GMT
I mean I've quit before within the middle of things, definitely if I become overwhelmed, but that's just my brain. I do have OCD and anxiety so that contributes. On this point, she was apparently legitimately has ADD and has been taking Ritalin for years, and was able to do so in Rio, but in Japan it's illegal with no exceptions. Hard to diagnose someone from a distance, without an expertise, and with such little information, but that's what we're here for, right? Anyway, it's possible that coming off of meds and either the effects of her ADD coming back and/or the withdrawals from cycling off of Ritalin could have had a real effect on her ability to perform properly. It's quite possible, whenever I've attempted to quit Prozac it's usually quite easy due to the lessened half life of prozac versus other meds, but without meds I get alot more out of control. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 29, 2021 22:46:27 GMT
If a gymnast or downhill skier starts losing what they need to do in midair, risking paralysis or death, who are we to say to suck it up and fix it? This is what it comes down to. I've officially done a 180 on this one. Taking herself out was actually the best decision she could've made under the circumstances. All of my previous comparisons don't really apply. If a QB is in his own head, he's going to miss some passes. This 4'8" dynamo is firing herself into the air, unsure of the outcome? Yeah, no. Also, I initially looked at it as her not wanting to embarrass herself, letting her ego get in the way. It was actually the opposite, her putting aside her ego and understanding that she had competent teammates who could pick up the slack. And they did-- they won silver in the team final and gold in the individual anyway. If Biles continued her meltdown the other night, it's likely the team doesn't medal at all, and she knew it. Some saw this immediately, but it took me some time to wrap my mind around stepping aside during a competition. Every person, every circumstance is unique, I see that now.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jul 29, 2021 22:49:33 GMT
If a gymnast or downhill skier starts losing what they need to do in midair, risking paralysis or death, who are we to say to suck it up and fix it? This is what it comes down to. I've officially done a 180 on this one. Taking herself out was actually the best decision she could've made under the circumstances. All of my previous comparisons don't really apply. If a QB is in his own head, he's going to miss some passes. This 4'8" dynamo is firing herself into the air, unsure of the outcome? Yeah, no. Also, I initially looked at it as her not wanting to embarrass herself, letting her ego get in the way. It was actually the opposite, her putting aside her ego and understanding that she had competent teammates who could pick up the slack. And they did-- they won silver in the team final and gold in the individual anyway. If Biles continued her meltdown the other night, it's likely the team doesn't medal at all, and she knew it. Some saw this immediately, but it took me some time to wrap my mind around stepping aside during a competition. Every person, every circumstance is unique, I see that now. ^ said Gallant. "My mind is made up and nobody on this planet will ever change my mind." - Goofus.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jul 30, 2021 0:04:32 GMT
If a gymnast or downhill skier starts losing what they need to do in midair, risking paralysis or death, who are we to say to suck it up and fix it? This is what it comes down to. I've officially done a 180 on this one. Taking herself out was actually the best decision she could've made under the circumstances. All of my previous comparisons don't really apply. If a QB is in his own head, he's going to miss some passes. This 4'8" dynamo is firing herself into the air, unsure of the outcome? Yeah, no. Also, I initially looked at it as her not wanting to embarrass herself, letting her ego get in the way. It was actually the opposite, her putting aside her ego and understanding that she had competent teammates who could pick up the slack. And they did-- they won silver in the team final and gold in the individual anyway. If Biles continued her meltdown the other night, it's likely the team doesn't medal at all, and she knew it. Some saw this immediately, but it took me some time to wrap my mind around stepping aside during a competition. Every person, every circumstance is unique, I see that now. It only took Frogs agreeing with you to see the follie of your ways. |
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jul 30, 2021 0:57:47 GMT
This is what it comes down to. I've officially done a 180 on this one. Taking herself out was actually the best decision she could've made under the circumstances. All of my previous comparisons don't really apply. If a QB is in his own head, he's going to miss some passes. This 4'8" dynamo is firing herself into the air, unsure of the outcome? Yeah, no. Also, I initially looked at it as her not wanting to embarrass herself, letting her ego get in the way. It was actually the opposite, her putting aside her ego and understanding that she had competent teammates who could pick up the slack. And they did-- they won silver in the team final and gold in the individual anyway. If Biles continued her meltdown the other night, it's likely the team doesn't medal at all, and she knew it. Some saw this immediately, but it took me some time to wrap my mind around stepping aside during a competition. Every person, every circumstance is unique, I see that now. It only took Frogs agreeing with you to see the follie of your ways. I've had nightmares which had frog agreeing with me. Night terror
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