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Post by Skaathar on Oct 4, 2021 19:22:51 GMT
Does that mean you agree with my other two reasons? I'm on the fence about Disney's position benefiting the consumer. Personally I don't have Disney + and would prefer not to so it didn't benefit me. A theatrical release benefits me. I consider theaters equal-accessibility spaces and working class escapes. If I had Disney +, my preference would still be the theater because watching at home will never trump the theater experience. For me, personally.
Until they put it out on Disney +, I'd figure poor sales during a pandemic are just hard luck. Sometimes you can do everything right and still not win. There's contingencies that just can't be anticipated.
The reason I say I'm on the fence is because I accept that releasing Black Widow onto Disney + made is accessible for some, albeit not me, but it would be my preference for streaming services not to gain ground in the film release department because individual streaming services take content out of the popular conscience and put it into whichever streaming service the individual house has. Without theaters, I can barely name 5 movies from 2021 because they're all being released on streaming services. I barely notice new releases on the streaming services I do have (Netflix), let alone the ones I don't.
Cinemas bear a lot of responsibility for streaming services gaining ground too. In a way, the prevalence of streaming services are just desserts for theaters turning into zoos, but then my concern is it's only a matter of time before streaming services become the less cheap option and just as much of a nuisance as theaters, but in other ways.
The other point about money based on wishful thinking. It can't be known now. In her position, I would still seek legal advice even if the box-office reached the bonus. What I would do with that advice once it's given, I just don't know.
Disney still released her movie in the theaters though, so it's not like they stopped you from watching it in the movies if you wanted to. All they did was provide an extra option for those who didn't or couldn't watch it in the theaters. That's definitely helping the consumers, especially those with theaters still closed in their locations. It also helped lessen costs for big families who wanted to just pay a one-time fee to watch it. And for anyone who preferred watching it in the theaters, well that option was always there. From the consumer side, I think it's fairly obvious that Disney's stance was a lot more helpful than Scarjo's stance. As for money based on wishful thinking, Scarjo was asking for money based on what she thought her movie could have done WITHOUT the pandemic. Even if Disney allowed an exclusive theatrical release, there's just no way in hell that Black Widow could have earned over a billion dollars with the pandemic about. So yeah, she was basically asking for pay based on what she wished her movie could have made... which would have been impossible given the current situation.
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Post by Cat on Oct 4, 2021 19:46:14 GMT
I'm on the fence about Disney's position benefiting the consumer. Personally I don't have Disney + and would prefer not to so it didn't benefit me. A theatrical release benefits me. I consider theaters equal-accessibility spaces and working class escapes. If I had Disney +, my preference would still be the theater because watching at home will never trump the theater experience. For me, personally.
Until they put it out on Disney +, I'd figure poor sales during a pandemic are just hard luck. Sometimes you can do everything right and still not win. There's contingencies that just can't be anticipated.
The reason I say I'm on the fence is because I accept that releasing Black Widow onto Disney + made is accessible for some, albeit not me, but it would be my preference for streaming services not to gain ground in the film release department because individual streaming services take content out of the popular conscience and put it into whichever streaming service the individual house has. Without theaters, I can barely name 5 movies from 2021 because they're all being released on streaming services. I barely notice new releases on the streaming services I do have (Netflix), let alone the ones I don't.
Cinemas bear a lot of responsibility for streaming services gaining ground too. In a way, the prevalence of streaming services are just desserts for theaters turning into zoos, but then my concern is it's only a matter of time before streaming services become the less cheap option and just as much of a nuisance as theaters, but in other ways.
The other point about money based on wishful thinking. It can't be known now. In her position, I would still seek legal advice even if the box-office reached the bonus. What I would do with that advice once it's given, I just don't know.
Disney still released her movie in the theaters though, so it's not like they stopped you from watching it in the movies if you wanted to. All they did was provide an extra option for those who didn't or couldn't watch it in the theaters. That's definitely helping the consumers, especially those with theaters still closed in their locations. It also helped lessen costs for big families who wanted to just pay a one-time fee to watch it. And for anyone who preferred watching it in the theaters, well that option was always there.
From the consumer side, I think it's fairly obvious that Disney's stance was a lot more helpful than Scarjo's stance. As for money based on wishful thinking, Scarjo was asking for money based on what she thought her movie could have done WITHOUT the pandemic. Even if Disney allowed an exclusive theatrical release, there's just no way in hell that Black Widow could have earned over a billion dollars with the pandemic about. So yeah, it's wishful thinking. That's a good point that could go one way or another depending on the house. I understand that a group of 3-4 or more gets their money's worth. It costs less than a theater because the rate is flat, so if your home has 17 people, the rate is the same as the rental instead of the cost of 17 tickets.
I am a single man, so alone. I appreciate that a flat rate comes at a premium to larger groups but as an individual, it comes at a greater cost. The price of a rental is way higher than a single ticket.
That is totally a good point though.
Even if Disney allowed an exclusive theatrical release, there's just no way in hell that Black Widow could have earned over a billion dollars with the pandemic about. So yeah, it's wishful thinking.
I don't mind the hope. Tenet failed to rake it in too. I don't know what other films' draws are like now. These movies reveal many possible things, onscreen and off-screen. Before the Black Panther film, I'd have thought it inconceivable for a character I saw once in the 90's in a Fantastic Four cartoon to rake in a billion dollars (or be nominated for Best Picture).
It was all inconceivable at a point. The success of the MCU has made people cynical (in my opinion) to its likelihood of success. It was never a guarantee Iron Man would work. RJD the actor was a 3rd strike risk even after Tropic Thunder. Fast forward to today and people will say throw Iron Man in something and it'll make bank at the BO but it wasn't always the case.
Even when the numbers line up, I think all capitalist endeavors are wishful thinking. There never is, was, or will be a guarantee of success in anything. Sometimes, sure things flop and shots in the dark light the world on fire, re Star Wars (1977).
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Post by Skaathar on Oct 4, 2021 19:56:36 GMT
Disney still released her movie in the theaters though, so it's not like they stopped you from watching it in the movies if you wanted to. All they did was provide an extra option for those who didn't or couldn't watch it in the theaters. That's definitely helping the consumers, especially those with theaters still closed in their locations. It also helped lessen costs for big families who wanted to just pay a one-time fee to watch it. And for anyone who preferred watching it in the theaters, well that option was always there.
From the consumer side, I think it's fairly obvious that Disney's stance was a lot more helpful than Scarjo's stance. As for money based on wishful thinking, Scarjo was asking for money based on what she thought her movie could have done WITHOUT the pandemic. Even if Disney allowed an exclusive theatrical release, there's just no way in hell that Black Widow could have earned over a billion dollars with the pandemic about. So yeah, it's wishful thinking. That's a good point that could go one way or another depending on the house. I understand that a group of 3-4 or more gets their money's worth. It costs less than a theater because the rate is flat, so if your home has 17 people, the rate is the same as the rental instead of the cost of 17 tickets.
I am a single man, so along. I appreciate that a flat rate comes at a premium to larger groups but as an individual, it comes at a greater cost. The price of a rental is way higher than a single ticket.
That is totally a good point though.
Even if Disney allowed an exclusive theatrical release, there's just no way in hell that Black Widow could have earned over a billion dollars with the pandemic about. So yeah, it's wishful thinking.
I don't mind the hope. Tenet failed to rake it in too. I don't know what other films' draws are like now. These movies reveal many possible things, onscreen and off-screen. Before the Black Panther film, I'd have thought it inconceivable for a character I saw once in the 90's in a Fantastic Four cartoon to rake in a billion dollars (or be nominated for Best Picture).
It was all inconceivable at a point. The success of the MCU has made people cynical (in my opinion) to its likelihood of success. It was never a guarantee Iron Man would work. RJD the actor was a 3rd strike risk even after Tropic Thunder. Fast forward to today and people will say throw Iron Man in something and it'll make bank at the BO but it wasn't always the case.
Even when the numbers line up, I think all capitalist endeavors are wishful thinking. There never is, was, or will be a guarantee of success in anything. Sometimes, sure things flop and shots in the dark like the world on fire, re Star Wars (1977).
Well yeah, most capitalist endeavors are wishful thinking, which is why Disney had the stronger stance in this case because they weren't depending on wishful thinking. They weren't asking for any money that they might have made in an endeavor, they simply wanted whatever money they actually made from that endeavor. Scarjo wanted money that her movie had no chance of making with the current circumstances. The highest grossing movie of the pandemic is F9 which comes from a franchise that have been making well over a billion dollars in their last few movies... and this movie only made around $700 million. And that's with a China release. And yes, for a single person it's cheaper to watch a movie in the theaters as opposed to streaming, but like I said that option was still available for Black Widow anyway. Disney didn't take away the option of seeing it in theaters, just gave consumers a second option.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 4, 2021 20:05:15 GMT
That's a good point that could go one way or another depending on the house. I understand that a group of 3-4 or more gets their money's worth. It costs less than a theater because the rate is flat, so if your home has 17 people, the rate is the same as the rental instead of the cost of 17 tickets.
I am a single man, so along. I appreciate that a flat rate comes at a premium to larger groups but as an individual, it comes at a greater cost. The price of a rental is way higher than a single ticket.
That is totally a good point though.
Even if Disney allowed an exclusive theatrical release, there's just no way in hell that Black Widow could have earned over a billion dollars with the pandemic about. So yeah, it's wishful thinking.
I don't mind the hope. Tenet failed to rake it in too. I don't know what other films' draws are like now. These movies reveal many possible things, onscreen and off-screen. Before the Black Panther film, I'd have thought it inconceivable for a character I saw once in the 90's in a Fantastic Four cartoon to rake in a billion dollars (or be nominated for Best Picture).
It was all inconceivable at a point. The success of the MCU has made people cynical (in my opinion) to its likelihood of success. It was never a guarantee Iron Man would work. RJD the actor was a 3rd strike risk even after Tropic Thunder. Fast forward to today and people will say throw Iron Man in something and it'll make bank at the BO but it wasn't always the case.
Even when the numbers line up, I think all capitalist endeavors are wishful thinking. There never is, was, or will be a guarantee of success in anything. Sometimes, sure things flop and shots in the dark like the world on fire, re Star Wars (1977).
Well yeah, most capitalist endeavors are wishful thinking, which is why Disney had the stronger stance in this case because they weren't depending on wishful thinking. They weren't asking for any money that they might have made in an endeavor, they simply wanted whatever money they actually made from that endeavor. Scarjo wanted money that her movie had no chance of making with the current circumstances. The highest grossing movie of the pandemic is F9 which comes from a franchise that have been making well over a billion dollars in their last few movies... and this movie only made around $700 million. And that's with a China release. And yes, for a single person it's cheaper to watch a movie in the theaters as opposed to streaming, but like I said that option was still available for Black Widow anyway. Disney didn't take away the option of seeing it in theaters, just gave consumers a second option. As an aside, If you live in a major metro like Los Angeles or New York, the Disney+ premier access option is cheaper than going to the theater - even as a single individual. |
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Post by Skaathar on Oct 4, 2021 21:21:04 GMT
Well yeah, most capitalist endeavors are wishful thinking, which is why Disney had the stronger stance in this case because they weren't depending on wishful thinking. They weren't asking for any money that they might have made in an endeavor, they simply wanted whatever money they actually made from that endeavor. Scarjo wanted money that her movie had no chance of making with the current circumstances. The highest grossing movie of the pandemic is F9 which comes from a franchise that have been making well over a billion dollars in their last few movies... and this movie only made around $700 million. And that's with a China release. And yes, for a single person it's cheaper to watch a movie in the theaters as opposed to streaming, but like I said that option was still available for Black Widow anyway. Disney didn't take away the option of seeing it in theaters, just gave consumers a second option. As an aside, If you live in a major metro like Los Angeles or New York, the Disney+ premier access option is cheaper than going to the theater - even as a single individual. Fair point. I live in Vancouver, Canada. Tickets for a decent theater here (widescreen, surround sound, etc.) is around $19 CAD without tax. D+ premium for Black Widow was $29 CAD if I remember correctly, and that was already with tax. So it's already fairly close, and I haven't even included gas/transit fare or whatever snacks I purchase in the theater.
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