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Post by klawrencio79 on Jul 29, 2021 22:43:06 GMT
The case can be made. Since signing his 7-year, $210m deal with the Natinals back before the 2015 season, he's had quite the remarkable run. 91-47, 2.80 ERA, 0.962 WHIP, 151 ERA+, 2 Cy Young Awards (with 3 other top-5 finishes), 6 All-Star Games with last year being the lone exception when there was no All-Star Game, and of course, most importantly, the ever-elusive WS ring.
Most free agent signings either have a few good years and then regress, or the injuries start to take their toll. Other free agents just flat out blow, like Jason Bay. I've been thinking about it and there are only a handful of true FA signing who have excelled as consistently from day 1 through the end the way Scherzer has. And I mean an actual free agent, not a homegrown player that your team signed to a long-term deal, or someone acquired in a trade and then subsequently extended.
Others in the conversation would be Manny Ramirez with the Red Sox (.999 OPS in 8 years, 2 rings and a WS MVP award), A-Roid (split between 2 teams though), Randy Johnson with the D-Backs (although he did have a down year in 2003), Greg Maddux with the Braves, Barry Bonds with the Giants.
I know I'm missing some, so what say you, sports board?
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Post by Rufus-T on Jul 29, 2021 23:04:23 GMT
I was thinking Mike Piazza, but he was traded and contract extended without going into FA.
How about David Ortiz? Was he a free agent signing by Red Sox? I thought so.
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Post by hehatesshe on Jul 29, 2021 23:07:59 GMT
The case can be made. Since signing his 7-year, $210m deal with the Natinals back before the 2015 season, he's had quite the remarkable run. 91-47, 2.80 ERA, 0.962 WHIP, 151 ERA+, 2 Cy Young Awards (with 3 other top-5 finishes), 6 All-Star Games with last year being the lone exception when there was no All-Star Game, and of course, most importantly, the ever-elusive WS ring. Most free agent signings either have a few good years and then regress, or the injuries start to take their toll. Other free agents just flat out blow, like Jason Bay. I've been thinking about it and there are only a handful of true FA signing who have excelled as consistently from day 1 through the end the way Scherzer has. And I mean an actual free agent, not a homegrown player that your team signed to a long-term deal, or someone acquired in a trade and then subsequently extended. Others in the conversation would be Manny Ramirez with the Red Sox (.999 OPS in 8 years, 2 rings and a WS MVP award), A-Roid (split between 2 teams though), Randy Johnson with the D-Backs (although he did have a down year in 2003), Greg Maddux with the Braves, Barry Bonds with the Giants. I know I'm missing some, so what say you, sports board? Great thing to look at. I can guarantee no White Sox player will make the list, but I'd have to look at the numbers to get a definitive answer on the greatest free agent acquisition of all time, or the GFAAOAT. Which I don't have the time to do now, so stop rushing me. My initial inclination was that A Rod and Bonds had to be super close. If we are going with greatest to never take steroids, Scherzwer probably wins hands down. |
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jul 29, 2021 23:08:28 GMT
I was thinking Mike Piazza, but he was traded and contract extended without going into FA. How about David Ortiz? Was he a free agent signing by Red Sox? I thought so. That he was, good call. I believe he signed some small deal and then he morphed into a superstar.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jul 29, 2021 23:27:18 GMT
Greg Maddux?
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jul 29, 2021 23:51:17 GMT
I mentioned him in the OP. It's true, he was, um, pretty good throughout his time on the Bravos.
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Post by NJtoTX on Jul 29, 2021 23:51:40 GMT
Reggie Jackson?
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Jul 30, 2021 0:10:42 GMT
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jul 30, 2021 0:17:30 GMT
I mentioned him in the OP. It's true, he was, um, pretty good throughout his time on the Bravos. How about Adrian Beltre? I ranted and raved when the Red Sox let him go to Texas
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jul 30, 2021 0:20:05 GMT
I mentioned him in the OP. It's true, he was, um, pretty good throughout his time on the Bravos. How about Adrian Beltre? I ranted and raved when the Red Sox let him go to Texas
Not only was he a great signing, but the dozens of videos of him joking around with Elvis Andrus, and of players trying to touch his head, are about as joyful as can be.
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Post by Rufus-T on Jul 30, 2021 2:18:32 GMT
His stay with the Yankees was very short, but the impact was beyond tremendous.
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Post by Rufus-T on Jul 30, 2021 2:24:14 GMT
I was thinking Mike Piazza, but he was traded and contract extended without going into FA. How about David Ortiz? Was he a free agent signing by Red Sox? I thought so. That he was, good call. I believe he signed some small deal and then he morphed into a superstar. The Twins must have been pissed to let him go, but always wonder if he ever will thrive to his level with the Twins.
Not in the level of Ortiz or Scherzer, a couple of current Dodgers come to mind
Max Muncy was released by the A's. Justin Turner was released by the Mets.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jul 30, 2021 3:16:58 GMT
That he was, good call. I believe he signed some small deal and then he morphed into a superstar. The Twins must have been pissed to let him go, but always wonder if he ever will thrive to his level with the Twins.
Not in the level of Ortiz or Scherzer, a couple of current Dodgers come to mind
Max Muncy was released by the A's. Justin Turner was released by the Mets.
Someone in the Twins organization decided Ortiz wasn't worth $1 million and he was going to get $2 million in arbitration. They also thought that his numbers had plateaued at 20 HR, 75 RBI's and an average around .270. The team that really wanted Ortiz was the Yankees. If it hadn't been for Pedro Martinez, Papi might have ended up in the Bronx. Steinbrenner was livid that Ortiz slipped away and that anger built every time Papi whupped on the Yanks. Theo Epstein was actually a minute away from cutting Ortiz so he could keep Shea Hillenbrand but Pedro stepped in again
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Post by Rufus-T on Jul 31, 2021 21:59:25 GMT
The Twins must have been pissed to let him go, but always wonder if he ever will thrive to his level with the Twins.
Not in the level of Ortiz or Scherzer, a couple of current Dodgers come to mind
Max Muncy was released by the A's. Justin Turner was released by the Mets.
Someone in the Twins organization decided Ortiz wasn't worth $1 million and he was going to get $2 million in arbitration. They also thought that his numbers had plateaued at 20 HR, 75 RBI's and an average around .270. The team that really wanted Ortiz was the Yankees. If it hadn't been for Pedro Martinez, Papi might have ended up in the Bronx. Steinbrenner was livid that Ortiz slipped away and that anger built every time Papi whupped on the Yanks. Theo Epstein was actually a minute away from cutting Ortiz so he could keep Shea Hillenbrand but Pedro stepped in again
Imagine if Yankees got Ortiz instead of A-Rod. The Yankees fan would still be chanting "1918", and the Yankees may have 30 championships already. Big turning point.
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Post by northern on Jul 31, 2021 22:03:36 GMT
Reggie Jackson with the Yankees.
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Post by Toy-Cannon on Jul 31, 2021 22:07:03 GMT
Dave Winfield
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Post by DrKrippen on Jul 31, 2021 22:54:52 GMT
Babe Ruth? ----------------------------------- What Would Babe Ruth Get As A Free Agent Today? How About $400 Million Cork Gaines Dec 8, 2010, 1:25 PM Babe Ruth In 1920, Babe Ruth was a 25-year old outfielder coming off a season in which he hit .376 with 54 home runs, a .533 OBP and an astronomical .600 wOBA (similar to OPS but on same scale as OBP). He had also just completed his sixth full-season in the big leagues. So under today's rules, Ruth would have been eligible for free agency. With players like Jayson Werth getting $126 million and Carl Crawford possibly getting $150 million, let's see if we can figure out what Ruth would have been worth in today's free agency market. While it is always fun to talk about Ruth's value in terms of being a slugger and a great pitcher, we are going to ignore his pitching stats. In 1920, Ruth made only one start and his career as a pitcher was essentially over. Maybe, in 2010, Ruth would have recognized the Bo- and Deion-esque potential of being a hitter and a pitcher, but let's just assume he would be content hitting lots of home runs. Here are Ruth's offensive numbers for the first six-plus seasons of his career...  As we can see, we really only have two full seasons as a hitter to go on. But those two seasons were pretty darn special. Now we need a reference point. In Ruth's case, there is really just one potential comparison, Alex Rodriguez. Here are A-Rod's numbers for the first six-plus seasons of his career...  That led to Rodriguez receiving a 10-year, $252 million contract from the Rangers. If we assume a modest three percent growth per year for baseball, that deal would be worth about $325 million in today's dollars. $32.5 million per season sounds about right if A-Rod were 24 this year. But would that be enough for a 25-year old Ruth? While Ruth's offensive production was limited to just two complete seasons, he was clearly a better hitter than A-Rod. From Ruth's point-of-view, he would probably feel he was worth $40 million per year. And if we assume the Yankees would be involved in the bidding, it is not that much of a stretch to think they would be willing to commit 20 percent of their payroll to a player with Ruth's talents. $400 million for arguably the greatest player that ever lived. Even without the pitching, that still seems like a steal. www.businessinsider.com/the-cost-if-babe-ruth-were-a-free-agent-today-400-million-2010-12 |
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Aug 1, 2021 17:50:22 GMT
Babe Ruth? ----------------------------------- What Would Babe Ruth Get As A Free Agent Today? How About $400 Million Cork Gaines Dec 8, 2010, 1:25 PM Babe Ruth In 1920, Babe Ruth was a 25-year old outfielder coming off a season in which he hit .376 with 54 home runs, a .533 OBP and an astronomical .600 wOBA (similar to OPS but on same scale as OBP). He had also just completed his sixth full-season in the big leagues. So under today's rules, Ruth would have been eligible for free agency. With players like Jayson Werth getting $126 million and Carl Crawford possibly getting $150 million, let's see if we can figure out what Ruth would have been worth in today's free agency market. While it is always fun to talk about Ruth's value in terms of being a slugger and a great pitcher, we are going to ignore his pitching stats. In 1920, Ruth made only one start and his career as a pitcher was essentially over. Maybe, in 2010, Ruth would have recognized the Bo- and Deion-esque potential of being a hitter and a pitcher, but let's just assume he would be content hitting lots of home runs. Here are Ruth's offensive numbers for the first six-plus seasons of his career... As we can see, we really only have two full seasons as a hitter to go on. But those two seasons were pretty darn special. Now we need a reference point. In Ruth's case, there is really just one potential comparison, Alex Rodriguez. Here are A-Rod's numbers for the first six-plus seasons of his career... That led to Rodriguez receiving a 10-year, $252 million contract from the Rangers. If we assume a modest three percent growth per year for baseball, that deal would be worth about $325 million in today's dollars. $32.5 million per season sounds about right if A-Rod were 24 this year. But would that be enough for a 25-year old Ruth? While Ruth's offensive production was limited to just two complete seasons, he was clearly a better hitter than A-Rod. From Ruth's point-of-view, he would probably feel he was worth $40 million per year. And if we assume the Yankees would be involved in the bidding, it is not that much of a stretch to think they would be willing to commit 20 percent of their payroll to a player with Ruth's talents. $400 million for arguably the greatest player that ever lived. Even without the pitching, that still seems like a steal. www.businessinsider.com/the-cost-if-babe-ruth-were-a-free-agent-today-400-million-2010-12$400,000,000 way too low. He was a game changer. Who else was hitting 50+ homers in 1920? Especially in a game in tatters over the Black Sox. Every one knew the 1919 World Series was the tip of he iceberg as far as fixed baseball. The game needed Ruth. To me, it would be like a pitcher hitting the FA market who could routinely win 30 games. And a guy who oozed personality. $500,000,000? More? You cannot underestimate what Ruth meant to baseball, outside of the win column. He put the trust of he fans back into the game. Well, it was really Landis throwing out the crooks but Ruth was someone who the fans could look up to. And he rescued the AL team in the biggest market. The Yankees were garbage before the Babe came to town. Washington and St. Louis could deal with a lousy team in the AL, not New York.
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