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Post by politicidal on Aug 2, 2021 13:15:08 GMT
His recent comments came during an interview with The Sunday Times. Lamenting that his children are more interested in their phones than films, Damon said: “...The way they watch is different to how we did. How can you watch a movie if you are texting? As someone who makes these things I can’t say I love that. Movies as we know them aren’t going to be a thing in our kids’ lives. And that makes me sad.” Damon then spoke about how plummeting home video sales in the face of ever-growing streaming options lead studios to make films with more “international” appeal, thereby giving rise to the superhero phenomenon: “... It made the most profitable movie, one that could travel around the world. And if you want a movie to travel and play big you want the least amount of cultural confusion. So there is the rise of the superhero movie, right? They’re easy for everyone. You know who the good person is, who the bad person is. They fight three times and the good person wins twice.” screenrant.com/matt-damon-movies-streaming-superheroes-bad/
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Post by Jason143 on Aug 2, 2021 13:46:50 GMT
Studios have ruined cinema. If they are only going to greenlight superhero or recognised animated/fantasy movies with large budgets, then no need to put the blame on streaming or comic book movies. But I agree with Matt Damon its kinda sad to see. Movies like The Martian would probably not get made now. Disney who owns the IP will opt to remake a new Predator or Alien movie before an original big budget scifi.
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Post by Lux on Aug 2, 2021 14:05:24 GMT
From the guy who literally plays a shit version of Loki in a superhero movie. Matt's race to a mid life crisis is complete along with his daughter saving him from a career in beating up gay people. And his Bourne movies weren't that complex either.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Aug 2, 2021 14:10:06 GMT
The pandemic is killing cinema more than anything else.
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Post by kolchak92 on Aug 2, 2021 14:29:32 GMT
Has he made a superhero-related movie that will be thrown in his face now?
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Post by vegalyra on Aug 2, 2021 15:53:54 GMT
I agree with his comments. Hollywood selling out to please the Chinese Communist Party is a major factor. That's the main issue with the internationalism of movie production. So many hurdles to overcome to not upset their censors.
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Post by thebayharborbutcher on Aug 2, 2021 15:57:14 GMT
If anything I think streaming makes things better for both filmmakers and viewers. There's more ways to watch movies now that ever. Viewers can now see indie movies they may have never had the opportunity to see before while just in theaters or even home video. And for filmmakers there are more ways now to distribute their films.
Superheros aren't my favorite, but I don't think they are ruining cinema. If people like them then great. Films are often dictated by audiences anyways. If that's what they want to see fine. There are still plenty of alternatives to watch.
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Post by Downey on Aug 2, 2021 16:18:50 GMT
Studios have ruined cinema. If they are only going to greenlight superhero or recognised animated/fantasy movies with large budgets, then no need to put the blame on streaming or comic book movies. But I agree with Matt Damon its kinda sad to see. Movies like The Martian would probably not get made now. Disney who owns the IP will opt to remake a new Predator or Alien movie before an original big budget scifi. The Martian wasn't an original idea there have been many Martian based movies.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Aug 2, 2021 16:24:09 GMT
Its not just one thing that is ruining cinemas, its many big and small things.
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Post by James on Aug 2, 2021 16:35:20 GMT
Has he made a superhero-related movie that will be thrown in his face now? He made a cameo in Thor: Ragnarok and Deadpool 2 and will appear again in Thor: Love and Thunder but nothing major. Still I guess a paycheck is a paycheck?
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Post by Jason143 on Aug 2, 2021 17:08:52 GMT
Studios have ruined cinema. If they are only going to greenlight superhero or recognised animated/fantasy movies with large budgets, then no need to put the blame on streaming or comic book movies. But I agree with Matt Damon its kinda sad to see. Movies like The Martian would probably not get made now. Disney who owns the IP will opt to remake a new Predator or Alien movie before an original big budget scifi. The Martian wasn't an original idea there have been many Martian based movies. Its an adaptation I know but it may as well be original relative to most movies coming out today.
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Post by Downey on Aug 2, 2021 17:20:39 GMT
The Martian wasn't an original idea there have been many Martian based movies. Its an adaptation I know but it may as well be original relative to most movies coming out today. Adaptation yes but also it's not the first movie about a NASA astronaut or astronauts stranded on Mars.
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Post by Prime etc. on Aug 2, 2021 17:33:45 GMT
He's especially right about the impact of a smart phone on movie watching. Sitting in a theater with a big screen is totally different in experience from looking at a smart phone. That's how movie started--as a window on a machine that you peak into--a mutoscope? But the movie business dumbed down the content so much that it's lost its appeal.
It is all because Big Money was interested in movies--they swept in and took it over--and when they were done with it-they just trashed it and nothing is left.
China supposedly has a very big domestic film industry now-making films for Chinese by Chinese. The problem is in western countries--you don't have that. The English are not making films for the English the US is not making films for the US--the international companies are devoted to an anti-nationalist approach so you end up with watered down stuff that no one cares about. Movies lack the intensity to be interesting to kids now.
But smart phone use has changed people's attitudes--so younger people may not feel sitting in a movie theater is worth it (unless they can use their phone during it).
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Post by basmaticathury on Aug 3, 2021 4:31:09 GMT
Indeed, movies were much more consistent in the past when they were created for Americans and not moronic Chinese audiences who love comic book fare and CGI/explosions. Something went wrong in the late-2000s.
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Post by Cat on Aug 3, 2021 5:55:40 GMT
Everyone's more interested in their phones these days. You get to watch drama unfolding in real time. Real people battling in the comments section, smart v dumb, smart v smart, dumb v dumb, it's the most engrossing thing there is. There's always someone talking, always something happening.
I also think nostalgia is a sign of depression and that's where many people's heads are. If they're not watching the comments section on their phone, they're retreating into reruns of shows/films they've already watched. I've heard reruns are a favorite tool of people with anxiety because they can rely on nothing unexpected happening, which puts their mind at ease. Take that and combine it with ratings that are lower across the board. The NBA, The Oscars, WWE, The Grammy Awards are all down, probably because reruns of Futurama et al are more reliable.
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Post by Lux on Aug 3, 2021 6:51:46 GMT
Indeed, movies were much more consistent in the past when they were created for Americans and not moronic Chinese audiences who love comic book fare and CGI/explosions. Something went wrong in the late-2000s. And just as I was thinking you had a brain. Yes, something went wrong basmathickury... studios wanted to make money. Their job is not to make nationalist twats feel protective over popcorn consumption, it's to get their budgets paid back. This is why you're you and not running billion dollar global entertainment juggernauts. Whatever you've just discovered about the Chinese government, money is still money. Why stick with only America unless you're an idiot.
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Post by Prime etc. on Aug 3, 2021 18:40:14 GMT
It started before the 2000s.
Hollywood originally was dozens of companies--poverty row, American-started ones. Then internationals came along and got into the business and completely took over very quickly--just as we saw with the internet-- because they started with a lot of money and advertising connections which other companies did not have. And they never had to worry about going out of business. They always had more money than anyone else. The companies that hurt were the ones that actually operated from a supply/demand, merit, specific audience business model. They could not survive because the big companies had built-in advantages.
There were those who managed to bypass this--Walt Disney did, and United Artists --which was the legacy of Pickford and Fairbanks--that was to bypass the big studios which were so limited in output theme.
The Society of Independent Motion Picture Producers also came about because artists and directors and producers felt the big studios were too controlling.
Eventually these big companies merged with like-minded corporations and reduced their output.
The common thread with them is to increasingly shun European story sensibility. The white male is bad, white women are enslaved, and replacing white characters with non-white--(they made Velma of Scooby Doo asian).
The Olympics is telling--they promoted political operatives in that-and they lost--because they are more focused on fake political concerns than merit-based activity.
But Hollywood was like this for a long time--it is just that the merit-based work ethic was still there--but in the 2000s after the last round of mergers--they replaced all the people that had been working there for decades--so the new faculty in the "school" were not so skilled or professional--they don't even care about movies. To them it is like selling shoes or printing a political leaflet.
But it started long before that. In the 70s after years of throwing money at negative-themed movies that few people watched--they put lots of money into fewer films that were technologically focused--Jaws, Star Wars etc...but story elements were being eroded. That was the start of downsizing and reducing variety. Nowadays they don't even want to hire an American director or star.
Charles B Pierce made films about rural Southern American--Bootleggers was one the biggest hits of the 70s--and yet, because it only cost under $200 000 or something, it made $4 million. And there's zero diversity in that movie. It was made or a very specific audience and they went to see it.
If you open a restaurant that mixes menus of Italian, French, Japanese etc..you probably will not satisfy customers as much as having separate restaurants for all those different patrons.
Hollywood is like a restaurant chain that drives all the individual ones out of business, and then discards most of its menu, and alienates its customer because it wants to appeal to the customers in an country half-way around the globe.
The only way a restaurant could stay in business is if they have unlimited money and no competition. And that's how western media is. That's why CNN is not out of business.
We don't have a merit or talent-based culture now--the big companies have money but not talent--they removed it due to their narrow political agenda.
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Post by Downey on Aug 3, 2021 18:43:59 GMT
No one quite gets a Primeetc going like a cinema vigilante conspiracy theory. Mention China, money and Hollywood then he's off on one like a crazed Duracell bunny.
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Post by Prime etc. on Aug 3, 2021 18:54:05 GMT
No one quite gets a Primeetc going like a cinema vigilante conspiracy theory. Mention China, money and Hollywood then he's off on one like a crazed Duracell bunny. Well I think about the big picture.
Hollywood wasted lots of money on forgotten films in the 60s--while smaller production companies around the world were doing great.
I think ultimately the lack of protection from Hollywood biggies is the reason movies are so bad compared to other businesses.
Damon makes the false claim that the studios make these films because they are popular--but that contradicts the lack of enthusiasm for movies now.
It's like saying a dementia-stricken politician who can't fill a parking lot with admirers is the most popular president in history.
Or that a tranny deserves to be on the cover of a swimsuit magazine. These decisions have nothing at all to do with popularity or public interest or making money.
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Post by SuperDevilDoctor on Aug 3, 2021 19:03:04 GMT
I agree with his comments. Hollywood selling out to please the Chinese Communist Party is a major factor. That's the main issue with the internationalism of movie production. So many hurdles to overcome to not upset their censors. Ironically, it's because of CAPITALISM -- and nothing else -- that Hollywood is "selling out to please the Chinese Communist Party". They want to make lots of money.
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