Downey
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Post by Downey on Aug 3, 2021 19:10:24 GMT
No one quite gets a Primeetc going like a cinema vigilante conspiracy theory. Mention China, money and Hollywood then he's off on one like a crazed Duracell bunny. Well I think about the big picture.
Hollywood wasted lots of money on forgotten films in the 60s--while smaller production companies around the world were doing great.
I think ultimately the lack of protection from Hollywood biggies is the reason movies are so bad compared to other businesses.
Damon makes the false claim that the studios make these films because they are popular--but that contradicts the lack of enthusiasm for movies now.
It's like saying a dementia-stricken politician who can't fill a parking lot with admirers is the most popular president in history.
Or that a tranny deserves to be on the cover of a swimsuit magazine. These decisions have nothing at all to do with popularity or public interest or making money.
The lack of enthusiasm is because of a global pandemic nothing more nothing less. And movies are not bad compared to other businesses.
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Post by Prime etc. on Aug 3, 2021 19:12:58 GMT
Which studios are struggling for cash right now?
If we drink the Kool-aid then everyone loves movies designed to appease China.
But in the real world it doesn't work like that.
It's not capitalism.
Walt Disney did capitalism. Monogram and Republic Pictures did capitalism. AIP did capitalism. Amicus did capitalism.
Big companies with international ties--are not bound by capitalism.
How is it that the cost of manufacturing pencils or putting on a town play has not changed in decades, but movie production now costs are in the billions? Literally a billion dollar movie in some cases. That has nothing to do with capitalism. Supply-demand.
It's just corruption and mis-management.
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Post by Prime etc. on Aug 3, 2021 19:22:11 GMT
The lack of enthusiasm is because of a global pandemic nothing more nothing less. And movies are not bad compared to other businesses. The lack of enthusiasm started before that. Articles about Hollywood losing western audiences go back 10 years or more.
"If you require stars less often, and your profits are sinking, then their income can seem objectionable. Stars with a twenty-million-dollar “quote” now often receive just ten to fifteen million, which is barely worth getting out of bed for. Studios are increasingly bypassing stars altogether, making entertainments—“Transformers,” “Real Steel,” “Cars”—that largely dispense with the traditional sine qua non of the movies, the human face. Such films are intended to surmount the idiosyncrasies of the global bazaar by serving as a kind of cinematic Esperanto. “A person may come across differently in each market,” Stacey Snider, the C.E.O. of DreamWorks Studios, says. “A robot is a robot around the world.”
The mid-budget movie disappeared.
Theater schools discriminated against the working class
The idea that a company would lose its variety to sell only one product-makes no sense. Even Coca-Cola didn't drive out other beverages because there's no political angle to it. There's room for everyone.
But movie can be used to peddle propaganda--it is harder to do that with a drink or mundane product.
You don't want competition if you are trying to peddle insincere social messages.
Hollywood was running a harem and they are lecturing the public about feminism?
That's not how you run a business unless you know you have competition or money concerns.
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Post by OldAussie on Aug 4, 2021 1:19:17 GMT
true.
But other factors add to the woes.
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Post by Sarge on Aug 4, 2021 7:18:17 GMT
Hollywood cranking out movies like a factory might have something to do with it. 99.9% of them being terrible might have something else to do with it.
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Downey
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Post by Downey on Aug 4, 2021 7:35:25 GMT
true. But other factors add to the woes. No, people of the majority dictate what they want if they prefer Superheroes or streaming then that's they'll get. It's about preference or to use a familiar Australian saying you'll know: it's either the kangaroo or the boomerang to the head.
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Post by vegalyra on Aug 4, 2021 11:48:04 GMT
I agree with his comments. Hollywood selling out to please the Chinese Communist Party is a major factor. That's the main issue with the internationalism of movie production. So many hurdles to overcome to not upset their censors. Ironically, it's because of CAPITALISM -- and nothing else -- that Hollywood is "selling out to please the Chinese Communist Party". They want to make lots of money. And that returns to my original post that movies today are generally horrible and western audiences are losig interest in seeing movies at the theater. They want to make a lot of money in China but are now seeing the effects of playing by the CCP game and making generic and cgi laden effects movies.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Aug 5, 2021 1:58:27 GMT
I'm sure Jason Bourne is on the hunt for Loki as we speak.
Since when is any medium supposed to be immune from change? Guy probably sold carriage horses in a past life only to die when a car hit him.
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Post by Winston Wolfe on Aug 5, 2021 4:19:59 GMT
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Post by petrolino on Aug 6, 2021 20:58:21 GMT
I read the interview earlier in the week. I enjoyed hearing some of Matt Damon's current thoughts on the movie business. Among the arts writers at 'The Times', I think Jonathan Dean has seemed slightly jaded of late since following the blockbuster assembly line for the last 15 years, particularly when taking in the stream of genre remakes as well as the franchises. I don't sense anything sinister in recent articles, just that maybe he's also looking forward to seeing something fresh making a big splash. Maybe, a revival of the musical might be coming.
Jennifer Jason Leigh said to 'Movieline' many years ago that she snuck in to cinemas to see 'Dog Day Afternoon', but only 17 times. I bet some people saw 'Jaws' 17 times. Movie fans can be incredibly devoted.
"We talk about Al Pacino’s Dog Day Afternoon, from 1975. “How do you pitch that now?” Damon asks. “‘A film about a guy who robs a bank for his boyfriend’s sex change? And he’s the hero!’ It’s one of the best movies ever made, but, in this landscape, how do you get money for it?”
- Jonathan Dean, 'The Sunday Times'
Steve Buscemi & Jennifer Jason Leigh
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