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Post by Jason143 on Aug 6, 2021 16:19:19 GMT
Compared with the other 2 Indy movies, which should get much higher praise than Raiders does.
I re-watched RotLA recently. Its a very good movie, but watching it start to finish, paying close attention to the plot and character, both Temple of Doom and Last Crusade are better. They both saw what worked in Raiders, and improved on it. A couple of examples:
Indy in Raiders is fighting the Nazis. Everyone knows the Nazis are bad, but they dont do anything evil in the movie to make you be terrified of them or hate them. They are presented as generic bad guys with accents. Audience are just expected to hate them because of name value. In Temple of Doom, you see the sadistic things that the Thuggee cult actually do. Ritualistic murder, child slavery. So when Indy kicks their assess and frees the child slaves, it makes it A LOT more satisfying than Raiders' ending.
And that brings me to another observation I noticed. In the final act of Raiders, Indy doesn't do anything! He's tied up to a pole and is completely useless. In Temple of Doom, he is single handedly beating up the Thuggee members and swashbuckling from minecrafts to epic bridge face offs. He is proactive and defeats the bad guys himself. Similar story in Last Crusade, he is proactive in being brave enough to complete the quest for the Grail by taking on the 3 challenges head on when all others failed. He is the last resort hero, like in ToD. Without his heroism, the bad guys win.
And that brings me on to the final point, that Last Crusade has an emotional tension and payoff that Raiders lacks severely. With Indys Father on the verge of death, it gives his mission the added suspense and when he completes it, its emotionally satisfying.
Raiders is a good movie, but doesnt have the heroism or emotional attachment that its sequels did.
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Post by thebayharborbutcher on Aug 6, 2021 16:22:53 GMT
The entire Indiana Jones franchise is overrated.
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Post by Catman 猫的主人 on Aug 6, 2021 16:35:58 GMT
Just think what might have been had Tom Selleck been available.
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Post by Winston Wolfe on Aug 6, 2021 17:32:36 GMT
Raiders of the Lost Ark is overrated? Ferris Bueller’s Day Off is annoying and overrated? The hell is wrong with this board lately?
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Post by Stammerhead on Aug 6, 2021 17:40:20 GMT
Temple is crass, noisy and bloated while Crusade is entertaining with good interplay between father and son but even that failed to give me the kick of awesome I felt when I first saw Raiders (which is almost perfect).
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Post by janntosh on Aug 6, 2021 17:40:32 GMT
Raiders of the Lost Ark is overrated? Ferris Bueller’s Day Off is annoying and overrated? The hell is wrong with this board lately? Surely you’re not comparing Ferris Bastard to Raiders? |
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Post by MCDemuth on Aug 6, 2021 17:43:45 GMT
Overrated to whom? Raiders of the Lost Ark is overrated? Ferris Bueller’s Day Off is annoying and overrated? The hell is wrong with this board lately? I'm having the same thoughts... It's probably most of the younger generation of people who are thinking such things... I grew up with those films, and I think they're great... and Raiders is my favorite of the Indy films. And they probably don't understand why I don't like some of the newer films that they are growing up with. |
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Post by Spike Del Rey on Aug 6, 2021 17:46:44 GMT
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Post by Lux on Aug 6, 2021 18:16:59 GMT
I don't think there was enough time to fit in an entire holocaust in Raiders to enlighten you about the Nazis.
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Post by sjg on Aug 6, 2021 18:24:52 GMT
Phew, i'm not alone then  |
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Post by mikef6 on Aug 6, 2021 18:26:48 GMT
I like "Raiders" very much and, no, I have not "overrated" it. I have "exactly" rated it as I perceive it.
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Post by jamesbamesy on Aug 6, 2021 18:29:16 GMT
Raiders of the Lost Ark is overrated? Ferris Bueller’s Day Off is annoying and overrated? The hell is wrong with this board lately? More and more people are starting to come out? 
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Post by vegalyra on Aug 6, 2021 18:36:52 GMT
I think we should remember that in Raiders there is a good chance most of the soldiers were regular Wehrmacht or German Army. Toht is obviously SS and a Nazi party member but most of the regular joes out there are just doing a job. In Last Crusade most of the leading folks are SS or at least party members, even Donovan. That little lapel pin is a Nazi party pin which shows just how deep his level of commitment is to the Nazi party (or at least how much he wanted to endear himself to Hitler). I’m pretty sure Elsa was as well even though she claimed to believe in the Grail and not what the Nazis stood for.
Anyways, Raiders and Crusade are basically perfect films in my book, I don’t think they are overrated and are probably some of the best films ever made in the late 20th century. I don’t think either could really be improved upon.
Temple on the other hand is a mess. While I like the basic plot, so much of it is overblown. Willie screaming, gross out dining, and more gross out insects and slime to make Willie scream or pass out. Then you have the gratuitous borderline horror film heart scene and tranced out blood of Kali effects. I think the film has some good and even strong points, such as the rope bridge sequence, Indy is really showing how tough he is and what lengths he’s willing to go to, and the introduction at the club is a well done homage to classic film musicals.
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Aug 6, 2021 18:50:57 GMT
It holds a permanent place among my three favorite movies. That’s all I have to say about that. |
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Aug 6, 2021 19:52:29 GMT
I disagree
that is all
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Post by ck100 on Aug 6, 2021 21:23:57 GMT
It's something that is hard to admit, but not everyone is going to like a popular film. Some will think it's overrated and others will dislike it. There are some popular films I think are overrated and/or dislike and I'm sure it's the same with the rest of you. So we shouldn't act like this is something unheard of.
All that matters in the end is what YOU think of the movie, and try not to treat someone who dislikes a movie you love as if it's a personal attack from them. This is a fight that has no winners or losers. Learn to respect diversity and differences.
So this person thinks Raiders is overrated. So what? Just respect their opinion and go on enjoying Raiders yourself.
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Post by Spike Del Rey on Aug 6, 2021 21:26:40 GMT
It's something that is hard to admit, but not everyone is going to like a popular film. Some will think it's overrated and others will dislike it. There are some popular films I think are overrated and/or dislike and I'm sure it's the same with the rest of you. So we shouldn't act like this is something unheard of. All that matters in the end is what YOU think of the movie, and try not to treat someone who dislikes a movie you love as if it's a personal attack from them. So this person thinks Raiders is overrated. So what? Just respect their opinion and go on enjoying Raiders yourself. 
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Post by MCDemuth on Aug 6, 2021 22:35:26 GMT
It's something that is hard to admit, but not everyone is going to like a popular film. Some will think it's overrated and others will dislike it. There are some popular films I think are overrated and/or dislike and I'm sure it's the same with the rest of you. So we shouldn't act like this is something unheard of. All that matters in the end is what YOU think of the movie, and try not to treat someone who dislikes a movie you love as if it's a personal attack from them. This is a fight that has no winners or losers. Learn to respect diversity and differences. So this person thinks Raiders is overrated. So what? Just respect their opinion and go on enjoying Raiders yourself. Totally BS Comment... Overrated implies that people praise a movie when it doesn't deserve it... Most of us, clearly disagree with that, which is why it is "Overrated" in the first place... We won't "rate" movies lower than we think it is. And if people should "respect diversity and differences." then the OP shouldn't be saying that the movie is "overrated" either, because that is also a "personal attack" on us. If the OP dislikes the film, that's perfectly fine. But people need to stop saying that the rest of us shouldn't be praising films, when we actually like them.
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Post by phantomparticle on Aug 6, 2021 23:14:31 GMT
2001, A Space Odyssey is boring.
The Exorcist isn't scary.
Raiders of the Lost Ark is overrated.
Comments from people who weren't around when those movies were new and the lines went around the block.
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Post by Jason143 on Aug 6, 2021 23:54:13 GMT
It's something that is hard to admit, but not everyone is going to like a popular film. Some will think it's overrated and others will dislike it. There are some popular films I think are overrated and/or dislike and I'm sure it's the same with the rest of you. So we shouldn't act like this is something unheard of. All that matters in the end is what YOU think of the movie, and try not to treat someone who dislikes a movie you love as if it's a personal attack from them. This is a fight that has no winners or losers. Learn to respect diversity and differences. So this person thinks Raiders is overrated. So what? Just respect their opinion and go on enjoying Raiders yourself. Totally BS Comment... Overrated implies that people praise a movie when it doesn't deserve it... Most of us, clearly disagree with that, which is why it is "Overrated" in the first place... We won't "rate" movies lower than we think it is. And if people should "respect diversity and differences." then the OP shouldn't be saying that the movie is "overrated" either, because that is also a "personal attack" on us. If the OP dislikes the film, that's perfectly fine. But people need to stop saying that the rest of us shouldn't be praising films, when we actually like them. I said Raiders is a good but its an experimental movie that was improved on in the 2 sequels that followed given the reasons I made in the OP. Its overrated within the trilogy because the climax in ToD and Crusade is leaps and bounds better than Raiders where Indy is tied to a pole after getting himself caught carrying out an ill thought bluff to blow up the Ark with a RPG. He isn't heroic or brave in defeating the villains. |
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