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Post by thebayharborbutcher on Aug 9, 2021 23:49:43 GMT
So the big talk seems to be how The Suicide Squad is vastly better than Suicide Squad. I'm sure I'm gonna be in the minority in this, but I actually preferred the first one. So let's be honest, Suicide Squad was a messy film, but I thought it was a wonderfully enjoyable messy film. I really missed Will Smith in the 2nd film. Idris Elba is a strong actor, but I don't know... he doesn't have that same Will Smith charismatic blockbuster presence. Elba is great in indie movies and TV shows. Smith on the other hand is great in blockbusters. I was also pretty disappointed in Harley's character arc in the 2nd film. It felt very thin and unmotivated. You can pick apart her arc in the first film, but we knew for sure her motivation and where she was coming from. We also saw her develop over the course of the film. In the 2nd film she was kinda just there. The 1st film also had this almost gothic and melodramatic feel to it. That was completely replaced in the 2nd film. I also found some of the absurdity to not be quite as funny as I think they intended it to be. Overall, I don't think The Suicide Squad was a bad movie. I just didn't like it nearly as much as the first one.
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Post by Marv on Aug 10, 2021 0:22:22 GMT
To each their own...i thought the second one was leagues more coherent and enjoyable than the first SS. I think part of that might be the mixed signals with the first. You mention a gothic tone and i think the original idea was that. A more dark and violent comic book flick...but then they didn't want to lose the casual MCU audience that might come see it so they added a lot more humor...which clashed with the previously mentioned darker tones. Deadshot and Harley stood out in the first film but not much else...but in this second one i think almost everyone stands out at one time or another. I really loved this new Suicide Squad.
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Post by merh on Aug 12, 2021 17:32:55 GMT
To each their own...i thought the second one was leagues more coherent and enjoyable than the first SS. I think part of that might be the mixed signals with the first. You mention a gothic tone and i think the original idea was that. A more dark and violent comic book flick...but then they didn't want to lose the casual MCU audience that might come see it so they added a lot more humor...which clashed with the previously mentioned darker tones. Deadshot and Harley stood out in the first film but not much else...but in this second one i think almost everyone stands out at one time or another. I really loved this new Suicide Squad. You knew the characters in the first one. There was precious little character development or even explanation in 2. Elba was flat. No charisma. Flagg was flat. It's like it was an entirely different character Harley was fun, but also seemed way different. We got to know Killer Croc. King Shark stood out more on Flash than here.
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Post by Marv on Aug 12, 2021 19:06:03 GMT
To each their own...i thought the second one was leagues more coherent and enjoyable than the first SS. I think part of that might be the mixed signals with the first. You mention a gothic tone and i think the original idea was that. A more dark and violent comic book flick...but then they didn't want to lose the casual MCU audience that might come see it so they added a lot more humor...which clashed with the previously mentioned darker tones. Deadshot and Harley stood out in the first film but not much else...but in this second one i think almost everyone stands out at one time or another. I really loved this new Suicide Squad. You knew the characters in the first one. There was precious little character development or even explanation in 2. Elba was flat. No charisma. Flagg was flat. It's like it was an entirely different character Harley was fun, but also seemed way different. We got to know Killer Croc. King Shark stood out more on Flash than here. Sounds like we had two different experiences.
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Post by merh on Aug 12, 2021 21:23:31 GMT
You knew the characters in the first one. There was precious little character development or even explanation in 2. Elba was flat. No charisma. Flagg was flat. It's like it was an entirely different character Harley was fun, but also seemed way different. We got to know Killer Croc. King Shark stood out more on Flash than here. Sounds like we had two different experiences. I'm a 61 yr old Marvel fangirl I have some experience with DC-Superman & Supergirl, Creeper & Specter. Team ups with & Batman movies (hate Nolan). So I lack familiarity with most of these DC characters. I don't have the comic book background to fill in like I do with Spiderman (fairly complete comic book run thru the 1980s), Thor (same) & Cap (same). Full run of Ghost Rider. (70s & 80s) fairly complete Defenders (70s & 80s) Dr Strange. Kazar. So the director needs to let the movie viewer know who they are. We knew who Heimdall was. He had a presence. So why couldn't Gunn do a better job introducing the characters? He introduced us to the Guardians just fine. It was like all these guys were cannon fodder, so who cared?
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Post by Marv on Aug 13, 2021 3:02:27 GMT
Sounds like we had two different experiences. I'm a 61 yr old Marvel fangirl I have some experience with DC-Superman & Supergirl, Creeper & Specter. Team ups with & Batman movies (hate Nolan). So I lack familiarity with most of these DC characters. I don't have the comic book background to fill in like I do with Spiderman (fairly complete comic book run thru the 1980s), Thor (same) & Cap (same). Full run of Ghost Rider. (70s & 80s) fairly complete Defenders (70s & 80s) Dr Strange. Kazar. So the director needs to let the movie viewer know who they are. We knew who Heimdall was. He had a presence. So why couldn't Gunn do a better job introducing the characters? He introduced us to the Guardians just fine. It was like all these guys were cannon fodder, so who cared? Outside of Harley Quinn I really didn’t know any of these characters either. I had zero problem getting to know them tho. That’s why I’m saying we had two different experiences here. I thought pretty much every main character had enough depth to them, some more than others. I definitely felt like I knew who they all were and what their strengths and weaknesses were as people. I’m not sure how it got lost in translation for you but I find it unfortunate as this is one of my favorite comic flicks in recent years. The only canon fodder was the first team. But we weren’t supposed to get to know those guys.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Aug 13, 2021 3:18:11 GMT
I'm a 61 yr old Marvel fangirl I have some experience with DC-Superman & Supergirl, Creeper & Specter. Team ups with & Batman movies (hate Nolan). So I lack familiarity with most of these DC characters. I don't have the comic book background to fill in like I do with Spiderman (fairly complete comic book run thru the 1980s), Thor (same) & Cap (same). Full run of Ghost Rider. (70s & 80s) fairly complete Defenders (70s & 80s) Dr Strange. Kazar. So the director needs to let the movie viewer know who they are. We knew who Heimdall was. He had a presence. So why couldn't Gunn do a better job introducing the characters? He introduced us to the Guardians just fine. It was like all these guys were cannon fodder, so who cared? Outside of Harley Quinn I really didn’t know any of these characters either. I had zero problem getting to know them tho. That’s why I’m saying we had two different experiences here. I thought pretty much every main character had enough depth to them, some more than others. I definitely felt like I knew who they all were and what their strengths and weaknesses were as people. Same here. I really don’t get the "we don’t care about these characters" criticism.
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Post by Lux on Aug 13, 2021 6:41:37 GMT
The Suicide Squad movie was not bad but really tacky. The second one is obviously better.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Aug 17, 2021 19:00:35 GMT
I'd say Ratcatcher, Bloodsport, and Polka Dot Man are as developed and likable as anyone in 1. The rest tend to be one note jokes, but, I mean, they're all violent criminals so I didn't need a ton of emotional investment in them.
One thing I'll give you is Harvey Quinn. On one hand, after Birds of Prey I'm almost glad they scaled her back because she was getting annoying. On the other hand, she feels like an afterthought here and you could practically cut her out of the movie without changing much. That's the reason my gf preferred the first also. Fun escape sequence, though.
I didn't think the first had much of a tone once WB was done with it. As people have said, this one feels like a big budget Troma flick and I dug that.
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Post by Lux on Aug 18, 2021 16:09:27 GMT
To each their own...i thought the second one was leagues more coherent and enjoyable than the first SS. I think part of that might be the mixed signals with the first. You mention a gothic tone and i think the original idea was that. A more dark and violent comic book flick...but then they didn't want to lose the casual MCU audience that might come see it so they added a lot more humor...which clashed with the previously mentioned darker tones. Deadshot and Harley stood out in the first film but not much else...but in this second one i think almost everyone stands out at one time or another. I really loved this new Suicide Squad. Okay can you explain Idris Elba's impractical helmet?
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Post by Marv on Aug 18, 2021 20:59:17 GMT
To each their own...i thought the second one was leagues more coherent and enjoyable than the first SS. I think part of that might be the mixed signals with the first. You mention a gothic tone and i think the original idea was that. A more dark and violent comic book flick...but then they didn't want to lose the casual MCU audience that might come see it so they added a lot more humor...which clashed with the previously mentioned darker tones. Deadshot and Harley stood out in the first film but not much else...but in this second one i think almost everyone stands out at one time or another. I really loved this new Suicide Squad. Okay can you explain Idris Elba's impractical helmet? Not really. Style i guess. I don't know anything about Bloodsport in comics. He was new to me. The only characters i was familiar with were the ones from the first film...i thought i knew King Shark but upon further review i was actually thinking of Marvel Comics Tiger Shark character.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Aug 18, 2021 23:12:33 GMT
Okay can you explain Idris Elba's impractical helmet? Not really. Style i guess. I don't know anything about Bloodsport in comics. He was new to me. The only characters i was familiar with were the ones from the first film...i thought i knew King Shark but upon further review i was actually thinking of Marvel Comics Tiger Shark character. On the topic of humanoid sharks who can talk, Lux does seem a little overly concerned with a helmet.
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 19, 2021 4:33:40 GMT
To each their own...i thought the second one was leagues more coherent and enjoyable than the first SS. I think part of that might be the mixed signals with the first. You mention a gothic tone and i think the original idea was that. A more dark and violent comic book flick...but then they didn't want to lose the casual MCU audience that might come see it so they added a lot more humor...which clashed with the previously mentioned darker tones. Deadshot and Harley stood out in the first film but not much else...but in this second one i think almost everyone stands out at one time or another. I really loved this new Suicide Squad. You knew the characters in the first one. There was precious little character development or even explanation in 2. Elba was flat. No charisma. Flagg was flat. It's like it was an entirely different character Harley was fun, but also seemed way different. We got to know Killer Croc. King Shark stood out more on Flash than here. The only characters who got any development in the first movie was Deadshot and Harley. And Deadshot didn't really feel like Deadshot so much as he felt more like Will Smith. I do think I preferred Harley slightly more in the first film though not by much. But I think Idris makes for a far better action lead than Will Smith. Also, King Shark, Rat Catcher 2 and PolkaDot man had way more heart than any of the other cast in the original film.
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Post by Lux on Aug 20, 2021 5:55:03 GMT
You knew the characters in the first one. There was precious little character development or even explanation in 2. Elba was flat. No charisma. Flagg was flat. It's like it was an entirely different character Harley was fun, but also seemed way different. We got to know Killer Croc. King Shark stood out more on Flash than here. The only characters who got any development in the first movie was Deadshot and Harley. And Deadshot didn't really feel like Deadshot so much as he felt more like Will Smith. I do think I preferred Harley slightly more in the first film though not by much. But I think Idris makes for a far better action lead than Will Smith. Also, King Shark, Rat Catcher 2 and PolkaDot man had way more heart than any of the other cast in the original film. Idris and Will are both good action leads.
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Post by Downey on Aug 20, 2021 5:56:26 GMT
Meh. They didn't have Starro.
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Post by Downey on Aug 20, 2021 5:59:34 GMT
Not really. Style i guess. I don't know anything about Bloodsport in comics. He was new to me. The only characters i was familiar with were the ones from the first film...i thought i knew King Shark but upon further review i was actually thinking of Marvel Comics Tiger Shark character. On the topic of humanoid sharks who can talk, Lux does seem a little overly concerned with a helmet. On the topic of humanoid dogshits that can talk Moviefatbrad seems a little overly concerned about helmet criticisms.
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Post by Lux on Aug 20, 2021 6:05:09 GMT
Not really. Style i guess. I don't know anything about Bloodsport in comics. He was new to me. The only characters i was familiar with were the ones from the first film...i thought i knew King Shark but upon further review i was actually thinking of Marvel Comics Tiger Shark character. On the topic of humanoid sharks who can talk, Lux does seem a little overly concerned with a helmet. You're the humanoid talking shark here it was a simple question. On the topic of humanoid shits who can talk you seem overly concerned.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Aug 20, 2021 6:12:38 GMT
On the topic of humanoid sharks who can talk, Lux does seem a little overly concerned with a helmet. You're the humanoid talking shark here it was a simple question. On the topic of humanoid shits who can talk you seem overly concerned. This is at least your second post about it. Also: On the topic of humanoid sharks who can talk, Lux does seem a little overly concerned with a helmet. On the topic of humanoid dogshits that can talk Moviefatbrad seems a little overly concerned about helmet criticisms. Uh...sock?
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Post by Lux on Aug 20, 2021 6:16:19 GMT
You're the humanoid talking shark here it was a simple question. On the topic of humanoid shits who can talk you seem overly concerned. This is at least your second post about it. Also: On the topic of humanoid dogshits that can talk Moviefatbrad seems a little overly concerned about helmet criticisms. Uh...sock? That was me replying to you being a moron not about the helmet. You still haven't come up with an answer what's wrong with having questions about movies on a movie board?
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Post by Downey on Aug 20, 2021 6:18:21 GMT
You're the humanoid talking shark here it was a simple question. On the topic of humanoid shits who can talk you seem overly concerned. This is at least your second post about it. Also: On the topic of humanoid dogshits that can talk Moviefatbrad seems a little overly concerned about helmet criticisms. Uh...sock? I was joking around lol. 😂Calm down. Good to see you back. Where the hell have you been lol?
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