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Post by thisguy4000 on Aug 11, 2021 19:45:38 GMT
“Citizen Kane is boring and overrated!”
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Post by lowtacks86 on Aug 11, 2021 19:46:47 GMT
"Only the first half of Full Metal Jacket is good!"
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Post by 博: Dr.BLΔD€ :锯 on Aug 11, 2021 19:59:35 GMT
"........... is over-rated." Stupid nothing pointless statement. I personally would rather someone say "That film is not for me" or "I don't like/ I Hate that movie" or any art form for that matter. But to say "It is over-rated." Means what ? That the utterer of that dumb line thinks everyone who likes it is wrong? Bloody stupid soundbite that instantly drains any respect from me for the utterer.
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Post by janntosh on Aug 11, 2021 20:00:34 GMT
"........... is over-rated." Stupid nothing pointless statement. I pe4sonally would rather someone say "That film is not for me" or "I don't like/ I Hate that movie" or any art form for that matter. But to say "It is over-rated." Means what ? That the utterer of that dumb line thinks everyone who likes it is wrong? Bloody stupid soundbite that instantly drains any respect from me for the uttered. disagree. There are definitely some films that people either view through rose tinted glasses or feel they must praise because of the movies "themes". Goonies and Ferris Bueller fit the former. Last Jedi and Black Panther fit the latter.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Aug 11, 2021 20:04:22 GMT
When somebody uses the word dated as meaning that the movie is bad.
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Post by jamesbamesy on Aug 11, 2021 20:11:07 GMT
When people complain that movies are too special effects heavy, specifically when the movie in question couldn’t have been done in any other way.
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Post by 博: Dr.BLΔD€ :锯 on Aug 11, 2021 20:13:40 GMT
disagree. There are definitely some films that people either view through rose tinted glasses or feel they must praise because of the movies "themes". Goonies and Ferris Bueller fit the former. Last Jedi and Black Panther fit the latter. You disagree that it annoys me.? Your examples are in the same bracket of pretentiousness. Pandering to what is deemed as politically correct to gain some I don't know what from others. is as dumb as trying to sound clever by demeaning others tastes, Statements as opposed to opinions annoy me also. And bore me. Have a good one.
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Post by janntosh on Aug 11, 2021 20:15:47 GMT
when actresses say their character isn't the "damsel in distress this time" even though there are have been plenty of non damsel, proactive female characters for decades
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Post by Fox in the Snow on Aug 11, 2021 22:52:17 GMT
"........... is over-rated." Stupid nothing pointless statement. I personally would rather someone say "That film is not for me" or "I don't like/ I Hate that movie" or any art form for that matter. But to say "It is over-rated." Means what ? That the utterer of that dumb line thinks everyone who likes it is wrong? Bloody stupid soundbite that instantly drains any respect from me for the utterer. It seems to be a phrase that annoys a lot of people. I tend to avoid using it myself for that reason, but I just take it as shorthand for: I don't necessarily dislike this film but I don't rate it as highly as a lot of other people or the general consensus does (not saying said consensus is "wrong", just that I don't share their view).
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Aug 11, 2021 22:56:09 GMT
I kind of wish people would learn that overrated is not the same as bad.
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Post by Fox in the Snow on Aug 11, 2021 22:57:19 GMT
If a person's "favorites" list is full of popular films - they need to see more movies
If it's full of more obscure films - it's not an honest list
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 11, 2021 23:03:12 GMT
"........... is over-rated." Stupid nothing pointless statement. I pe4sonally would rather someone say "That film is not for me" or "I don't like/ I Hate that movie" or any art form for that matter. But to say "It is over-rated." Means what ? That the utterer of that dumb line thinks everyone who likes it is wrong? Bloody stupid soundbite that instantly drains any respect from me for the uttered. disagree. There are definitely some films that people either view through rose tinted glasses or feel they must praise because of the movies "themes". Goonies and Ferris Bueller fit the former. Last Jedi and Black Panther fit the latter. I agree that both are a thing. The disagreement here is about the reasons for rating a movie highly. Someone can say Ferris Bueller is a good movie, simply because they think it is entertaining and funny. Watching movies with rose tinted glasses, that is attempting to read people's minds though. You start doing that crap and people just won't bother discussing movies with you. For me movies are a personal experience and objectivity means very little to me when it comes to art. I often see that when people say this stuff, they don't really know the reason people like the movies, they just assume they know the reasons and it can be flipped on you too. Unless you are the perfect movie rater.
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Post by ck100 on Aug 11, 2021 23:05:53 GMT
There are popular movies I think are overrated, but that being said, I still think they're good movies. I just don't think they're great movies and/or masterpieces. Overrated doesn't necessarily have to mean something is bad.
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 11, 2021 23:12:59 GMT
I kind of wish people would learn that overrated is not the same as bad. I kind of wish people would be specific when using the term then. It is basically a lazy way to say "I disagree" and in the case of certain people "Thinking you know what someone thinks and feels about a movie in their head." You can sit there and disagree all you want. That isn't going to change whether the other person likes the movie or not. This is all just ego-driven from the person who is saying a movie is overrated or underrated.
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 11, 2021 23:24:45 GMT
When people complain that movies are too special effects heavy, specifically when the movie in question couldn’t have been done in any other way.This is where I would disagree. I assume you mean cgi, because special effects can mean practical effects too. Movies have become very reliant on green screens for example. The best example I can think of is The Hobbit trilogy compared to the LOTR trilogy and even the letter could have been done using more practical effects. There was a reason for the change in the case of The Hobbit trilogy and that is because Peter Jackson was forced to rush it, not because using more practical effects wasn't possible. I think Beauty and the Beast remake is one of the best examples of using cgi when they could have easily used prosthetics and he would have looked far better. Directors use to film on location a lot more too, whereas now many of the surroundings are obviously cgi.
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Post by jamesbamesy on Aug 12, 2021 0:13:39 GMT
When people complain that movies are too special effects heavy, specifically when the movie in question couldn’t have been done in any other way.This is where I would disagree. I assume you mean cgi, because special effects can mean practical effects too. Movies have become very reliant on green screens for example. The best example I can think of is The Hobbit trilogy compared to the LOTR trilogy and even the letter could have been done using more practical effects. There was a reason for the change in the case of The Hobbit trilogy and that is because Peter Jackson was forced to rush it, not because using more practical effects wasn't possible. I think Beauty and the Beast remake is one of the best examples of using cgi when they could have easily used prosthetics and he would have looked far better. Directors use to film on location a lot more too, whereas now many of the surroundings are obviously cgi. Yes, I was referring to cgi. I do agree that some movies like The Hobbit trilogy and the Beauty and the Beast remake that have an overreliance on green screen and cg when practical effects can be used for certain things. I was thinking of movies like Guardians of the Galaxy or some other fantasy/sci-fi movies where it wouldn't be easy to create their worlds without cg. I want to say Star Wars as part of the examples but they manage to blend sets and props with cg quite well.
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Post by jonesjxd on Aug 12, 2021 0:18:42 GMT
My favorite bad hot take of all time was when my friend and I went to see that Macbeth movie starring Michael Fassbender, which admittedly wasn't very good but my friend said "this is just another one of those old stories that hasn't withstood the test of time", it's literally withstood 400 years.
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 12, 2021 0:28:50 GMT
This is where I would disagree. I assume you mean cgi, because special effects can mean practical effects too. Movies have become very reliant on green screens for example. The best example I can think of is The Hobbit trilogy compared to the LOTR trilogy and even the letter could have been done using more practical effects. There was a reason for the change in the case of The Hobbit trilogy and that is because Peter Jackson was forced to rush it, not because using more practical effects wasn't possible. I think Beauty and the Beast remake is one of the best examples of using cgi when they could have easily used prosthetics and he would have looked far better. Directors use to film on location a lot more too, whereas now many of the surroundings are obviously cgi. Yes, I was referring to cgi. I do agree that some movies like The Hobbit trilogy and the Beauty and the Beast remake that have an overreliance on green screen and cg when practical effects can be used for certain things. I was thinking of movies like Guardians of the Galaxy or some other fantasy/sci-fi movies where it wouldn't be easy to create their worlds without cg. I want to say Star Wars as part of the examples but they manage to blend sets and props with cg quite well. What about the OT. That is ALL practical effects. People tend to say that generally movies rely too much on cgi now, not that all movies use it unnecessarily. Using models, prosthetics and animatronics seems to be a lost art. It takes away from the sense that you are watching something really happening. The Thing vs. The Thing (2011) is one of the more perfect comparison examples. I will grant that the filmmakers and designers just weren't talented enough in this case. Cgi has made stuff too easy, which means that many filmmakers don't have as much need to get creative like they use to. Take horror movies for example. Most of the cgi in modern horror movies could have been practical effects. The library zombie in It (2017). Why was this cgi? The mind boggles.
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 12, 2021 0:30:07 GMT
My favorite bad hot take of all time was when my friend and I went to see that Macbeth movie starring Michael Fassbender, which admittedly wasn't very good but my friend said "this is just another one of those old stories that hasn't withstood the test of time", it's literally withstood 400 years. Translation - I dislike old stuff, therefor old stuff is objectively not good.
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Post by 博: Dr.BLΔD€ :锯 on Aug 12, 2021 0:44:01 GMT
I remember seeing years ago Forest Gump.
Now a lot of what I read intimated it was the best thing since sliced bread and a classic .
I quite enjoyed it to a degree...but it didn't have that effect on me. I used to do film reviews on a local channel and remember thinking and saying in paraphrase '' Beneath all that blockbuster bluster, there is a very good film for meTrying to get out.'
Whimsical wordplay in hindsight perhaps, but to have used the lazy soundbite 'over-rated' , to me is disrespectful and demeaning to those who did and do revere it .
Eastenders is to me bloody awful and depressing , but works for many others .
My mantra is and always will be is that all art is subjective and personal to one's own palate.
I dislike art snobs who try to sound clever and superior by bolstering their own taste as important.
Criticising and analysing and extolling something created in discussion is normal fayre and can be at times stimulating .
But in my experience , folk who demean other''s tastes in any art form , especially by casually dismissing something as over-rated, are usually boring twits.
I have had my bleat so am now gonna watch the final episode of season 3 of Daredevil.
Have a great night you Imdbeasties .
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