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Post by mstreepsucks on Aug 13, 2021 18:01:44 GMT
rated marvel films so far. Which one is better in your opinion?
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 13, 2021 18:53:35 GMT
That's because the MCU was limited by politics on how they could handle these characters and their movies. That made for some pretty bland movies.
Anyway, tough question, and it's something I've been trying to figure out for some time.
1. Scarjo makes for a better lead than Larson, but as much as I loved Yelena I have to admit that Nick Fury made for a better second.
2. BW's initial action scenes were far better but its climax was more of a let down than CM's climax.
3. BW has a more expensive, polished feel to it but CM has a lot more energy and the "MCU-feel" to it.
4. CM's story was a bit all over the place but it still had better pacing than BW
5. There was more of a demand for a BW movie than a CM movie, therefore a BW not matching expectations was a bigger let-down. CM at least seems more relevant to the greater MCU.
After my first watch of BW I thought to myself that I at least liked it better than Captain Marvel. But after thinking about it I'm not so sure now...
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Aug 13, 2021 19:46:16 GMT
I preferred Black Widow over Captain Marvel, it had a lot more going for it in terms of visual style, action set pieces, and actor chemistry and had some interesting ideas that just needed a rewrite or two to improve upon, Captain Marvel felt like a great big TV movie, its storyline wasn't anything to write home about and the titular character had almost no character arc to speak of.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Aug 13, 2021 20:03:52 GMT
I have a theory on why they are rated low................anyway i think Black Widow is better than Captain Marvel
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Post by thisguy4000 on Aug 13, 2021 20:14:19 GMT
I assume you’re talking about IMDb?
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Post by darkpast on Aug 14, 2021 0:23:37 GMT
Captain Marvel was great 👍
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Post by merh on Aug 14, 2021 2:01:56 GMT
rated marvel films so far. Which one is better in your opinion? We do not agree on this. I very much enjoyed both, though I preferred Marvel.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Aug 14, 2021 2:04:58 GMT
For the record, the lowest rated MCU film on IMDb is TIH, and Thor: TDW is tied with CM and BW.
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Post by mstreepsucks on Aug 14, 2021 17:46:57 GMT
They are not the worst. I guess the dark world equally sucks.
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 14, 2021 20:21:49 GMT
Funny thing is that BW actually has almost exactly the same problems that Thor:TDW had yet for some reason people are seemingly a lot kinder to BW.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2021 17:54:47 GMT
Overall, Black Widow does a much better job with its characters. Yelena and Red Guardian were highlights. As was the family subplot. Nick Fury is only awesome because of Samuel L. There’s almost no character development for him in Captain Marvel. Both protagonists come off as boring though. Black Widow is outshined in her own movie because they don’t really give her much of an arc. Meanwhile Carol Dancers falls flat because her amnesia storyline severely limits character development. And ultimately both are used to service extremely blatant female empowerment themes that ironically reduce them to one dimensional avatars for a paper thin social message. Plot-wise Captain Marvel wins easily. The Skrulls and Kree provide a much more compelling backdrop then the Red Room. And the villains in Black Widow are easily among the worst in the MCU. So… I guess I’d call it a tie?  |
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 18, 2021 19:05:22 GMT
Overall, Black Widow does a much better job with its characters. Yelena and Red Guardian were highlights. As was the family subplot. Nick Fury is only awesome because of Samuel L. There’s almost no character development for him in Captain Marvel. Both protagonists come off as boring though. Black Widow is outshined in her own movie because they don’t really give her much of an arc. Meanwhile Carol Dancers falls flat because her amnesia storyline severely limits character development. And ultimately both are used to service extremely blatant female empowerment themes that ironically reduce them to one dimensional avatars for a paper thin social message. Plot-wise Captain Marvel wins easily. The Skrulls and Kree provide a much more compelling backdrop then the Red Room. And the villains in Black Widow are easily among the worst in the MCU. So… I guess I’d call it a tie? To be fair, Red Guardian had zero character development as well. He added a lot of personality to the movie but he was pretty much there just for the laughs. I actually think that outside of their leads, CM managed their characters slightly better. Nick Fury, Yon-Rogg and Talos were overall a stronger supporting cast than Yelena, Red Guardian and Iron Maiden.
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Post by janntosh on Aug 18, 2021 19:29:12 GMT
Yeah both are bad but I’ll give the edge to BW for Johansson and there were a few hard hitting action bits at least
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2021 20:17:17 GMT
Overall, Black Widow does a much better job with its characters. Yelena and Red Guardian were highlights. As was the family subplot. Nick Fury is only awesome because of Samuel L. There’s almost no character development for him in Captain Marvel. Both protagonists come off as boring though. Black Widow is outshined in her own movie because they don’t really give her much of an arc. Meanwhile Carol Dancers falls flat because her amnesia storyline severely limits character development. And ultimately both are used to service extremely blatant female empowerment themes that ironically reduce them to one dimensional avatars for a paper thin social message. Plot-wise Captain Marvel wins easily. The Skrulls and Kree provide a much more compelling backdrop then the Red Room. And the villains in Black Widow are easily among the worst in the MCU. So… I guess I’d call it a tie? To be fair, Red Guardian had zero character development as well. He added a lot of personality to the movie but he was pretty much there just for the laughs. I actually think that outside of their leads, CM managed their characters slightly better. Nick Fury, Yon-Rogg and Talos were overall a stronger supporting cast than Yelena, Red Guardian and Iron Maiden. I suppose that’s true. But at least they explored his role as a fill in father figure and his backstory as a discarded national symbol added some depth. Who is Nick Fury in Captain Marvel other than an uninteresting cliche of an agent who happens to be played by a very likable charismatic actor? It’s almost remarkable how boring they managed to make him. I kept waiting for something to happen that revealed how he evolved into the Nick Fury we know, but nope. Even the eye patch was turned into a throw away joke.
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Post by Lux on Aug 19, 2021 10:36:55 GMT
Overall, Black Widow does a much better job with its characters. Yelena and Red Guardian were highlights. As was the family subplot. Nick Fury is only awesome because of Samuel L. There’s almost no character development for him in Captain Marvel. Both protagonists come off as boring though. Black Widow is outshined in her own movie because they don’t really give her much of an arc. Meanwhile Carol Dancers falls flat because her amnesia storyline severely limits character development. And ultimately both are used to service extremely blatant female empowerment themes that ironically reduce them to one dimensional avatars for a paper thin social message. Plot-wise Captain Marvel wins easily. The Skrulls and Kree provide a much more compelling backdrop then the Red Room. And the villains in Black Widow are easily among the worst in the MCU. So… I guess I’d call it a tie? To be fair, Red Guardian had zero character development as well. He added a lot of personality to the movie but he was pretty much there just for the laughs. I actually think that outside of their leads, CM managed their characters slightly better. Nick Fury, Yon-Rogg and Talos were overall a stronger supporting cast than Yelena, Red Guardian and Iron Maiden. Talos was basically an Aussie Ben Kingsley in alien makeup also known as a massive disappointment why you would bring that up as an example of a "slightly better managed" character is truly baffling. |
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 19, 2021 14:57:14 GMT
To be fair, Red Guardian had zero character development as well. He added a lot of personality to the movie but he was pretty much there just for the laughs. I actually think that outside of their leads, CM managed their characters slightly better. Nick Fury, Yon-Rogg and Talos were overall a stronger supporting cast than Yelena, Red Guardian and Iron Maiden. Talos was basically an Aussie Ben Kingsley in alien makeup also known as a massive disappointment why you would bring that up as an example of a "slightly better managed" character is truly baffling. Because he IS a better managed character than Red Guardian or Iron Maiden. |
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Post by Lux on Aug 19, 2021 15:00:50 GMT
Talos was basically an Aussie Ben Kingsley in alien makeup also known as a massive disappointment why you would bring that up as an example of a "slightly better managed" character is truly baffling. Because he IS a better managed character than Red Guardian or Iron Maiden. No, he ISN'T. He's a Marvel villain rewritten as a kid's birthday costume entertainer, nothing more nothing less. |
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 19, 2021 18:04:35 GMT
Because he IS a better managed character than Red Guardian or Iron Maiden. No, he ISN'T. He's a Marvel villain rewritten as a kid's birthday costume entertainer, nothing more nothing less. Red Guardian had a very brief "fatherly" moment in the beginning of BW and then was pretty much just a running punchline for the rest of the movie. He did nothing important and nothing of note. He had no notable or meaningful conversations with any characters. Iron Maiden was even worse. Talos at least had a twist (villain turned to good guy). He had a semi-decent storyline of rejoining his family. And he was way more important to the plot of the movie than either Red Guardian and Iron Maiden were to theirs. Note that I'm not saying Talos is a well-developed character. I'm saying he's simply a better developed character than either Red Guardian or Iron Maiden.
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Post by Lux on Aug 19, 2021 18:16:01 GMT
No, he ISN'T. He's a Marvel villain rewritten as a kid's birthday costume entertainer, nothing more nothing less. Red Guardian had a very brief "fatherly" moment in the beginning of BW and then was pretty much just a running punchline for the rest of the movie. He did nothing important and nothing of note. He had no notable or meaningful conversations with any characters. Iron Maiden was even worse. Talos at least had a twist (villain turned to good guy). He had a semi-decent storyline of rejoining his family. And he was way more important to the plot of the movie than either Red Guardian and Iron Maiden were to theirs. Note that I'm not saying Talos is a well-developed character. I'm saying he's simply a better developed character than either Red Guardian or Iron Maiden. Rejoining his family was Sesame Street Marvel at its finest. I didn't find that decent. They were trying to make the Skrulls likeable in typical cringeworthy fashion. |
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 19, 2021 18:20:27 GMT
Red Guardian had a very brief "fatherly" moment in the beginning of BW and then was pretty much just a running punchline for the rest of the movie. He did nothing important and nothing of note. He had no notable or meaningful conversations with any characters. Iron Maiden was even worse. Talos at least had a twist (villain turned to good guy). He had a semi-decent storyline of rejoining his family. And he was way more important to the plot of the movie than either Red Guardian and Iron Maiden were to theirs. Note that I'm not saying Talos is a well-developed character. I'm saying he's simply a better developed character than either Red Guardian or Iron Maiden. Rejoining his family was Sesame Street Marvel at its finest. I didn't find that decent. They were trying to make the Skrulls likeable in typical cringeworthy fashion. I get it, you don't like Talos. But you have yet to say anything to defend why you think Red Guardian and Iron Maiden were actually better.
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