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Post by politicidal on Aug 14, 2021 12:38:08 GMT
Both this and Iron Man 2 are the lowest rated MCU films for me, even if I don’t even hate them. Via the Hollywood Reporter: The Dark World is considered one of the MCU’s weakest entries, even if it was a box office success (drawing $644 million). Some known factors in its creative troubles included a tight production deadline and a script that was seemingly never finished. Wonder Woman director Patty Jenkins was initially attached to the project but wisely bowed out. “I did not believe that I could make a good movie out of the script that they were planning on doing,” Jenkins said in 2020. “It would have looked like it was my fault.” Instead, it looked like Taylor’s fault, and the director watched as the film changed radically during postproduction editing and reshoots. “The version I had started off with had more childlike wonder; there was this imagery of children, which started the whole thing,” he says of the unseen “Taylor Cut.” “There was a slightly more magical quality. There was weird stuff going on back on Earth because of the convergence that allowed for some of these magical realism things. And there were major plot differences that were inverted in the cutting room and with additional photography — people [such as Loki] who had died were not dead, people who had broken up were back together again. I think I would like my version.” Taylor modestly suggests certain writer-directors (he is typically a director and producer) might have been able to turn around the beleaguered project. “I really admire the skill set of somebody who can go in with a very personal vision — like [Thor 3 director] Taika Waititi or James Gunn — and manage to combine it with the big corporate demands,” he says. “I think my skill set may be different.” A few months before The Dark World was released, Taylor received an offer to direct another massive franchise picture and, once again, it seemed like a no-brainer: Terminator: Genisys. His girlfriend, Jane Wu, a storyboard artist he met while working on The Dark World, urged him to turn it down. “Well, she read the script,” Taylor explains with a laugh. “She said, ‘You should be doing something you love right now, something that’s more personal.’ “ But the prospect of working with star Arnold Schwarzenegger, who impressed him during their meetings, and the chance to build on the legacy of James Cameron’s acclaimed Terminator films was too tempting. “All the voices in my head, and all the ones around me, were saying I should do it because who didn’t love the first two films?” he says. “I thought we would go in and fix the script and everything could be great.” Once again, the film was profitable, grossing $440 million globally (in fact, only the beloved Terminator 2 earned more than Genisys in the franchise). The critic and fandom mobs, however, were brutal, and their impact on Taylor was profound. “I had lost the will to make movies,” Taylor says bluntly. “I lost the will to live as a director. I’m not blaming any person for that. The process was not good for me. So I came out of it having to rediscover the joy of filmmaking.” www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/director-alan-taylor-sopranos-movie-the-many-saints-of-newark-1234995623/
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Post by Archelaus on Aug 14, 2021 22:23:54 GMT
#ReleasetheTaylorCut
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Post by onethreetwo on Aug 14, 2021 22:51:47 GMT
You made a bad movie. BFD get over it. Nobody cares about The Dark World anymore.
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 15, 2021 16:51:16 GMT
I like that Jenkins said that about the script then went and made WW84.
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 15, 2021 17:06:43 GMT
I like that Jenkins said that about the script then went and made WW84. After watching the first WW movie, I started wishing Jenkins had directed Thor:TDW. But then I recall that the main reason she left the project was because of her disagreement with the script and overall story, and after watching what she did with WW84 I am now glad that she stayed away from Thor:TDW. For whatever faults that movie might have, it's still better than WW84.
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Post by Spooky Ghost Ackbar on Aug 17, 2021 22:59:53 GMT
Hard to say if his version was better. The only parts of the movie that were solid were the Loki scenes. And if I remember right, those were mostly late additions by Marvel Studios and Joss Whedon.
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 18, 2021 2:13:57 GMT
Hard to say if his version was better. The only parts of the movie that were solid were the Loki scenes. And if I remember right, those were mostly late additions by Marvel Studios and Joss Whedon. Nah, I'd say the entire first third, maybe even the first half of the movie was very good. Once they left Agard then it slowly started going downhill.
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Post by politicidal on Sept 7, 2021 19:19:28 GMT
Zachary Levi shares his experience working on the second film. "To be honest, I had seen the first one, and I didn’t really feel like The Warriors Three were used all that well. So, I was like, ‘Hey, are you going to actually use these folks?' And they said, ‘Oh no, we’re gonna use The Warriors Three a lot in Thor: The Dark World . A lot. Yeah, you’re going to be busy.’ And I was like, ‘Okay,’ so I signed up for it." "I didn’t have that much to do, you know? And really, nothing to do in the third one. I knew I was going to die in the third one. I didn’t know I was going to die, having said nothing. Even the few words they gave me were going to be taken away...and even if I didn’t die, they were probably going to snap me out of existence anyway, who am I kidding?" While his time in the MCU was a disappointment, Levi says he's grateful because "I died in the Marvel Universe and then I got reborn in the DC Universe. I can’t even tell you how unbelievably cool that is and how grateful I am for that." www.comicbookmovie.com/thor/shazam-star-zachary-levi-recalls-disappointment-with-thor-role-and-the-promise-marvel-studios-failed-to-keep-a187825#gs.au9iza
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Post by Skaathar on Sept 7, 2021 19:44:29 GMT
Zachary Levi shares his experience working on the second film. "To be honest, I had seen the first one, and I didn’t really feel like The Warriors Three were used all that well. So, I was like, ‘Hey, are you going to actually use these folks?' And they said, ‘Oh no, we’re gonna use The Warriors Three a lot in Thor: The Dark World . A lot. Yeah, you’re going to be busy.’ And I was like, ‘Okay,’ so I signed up for it." "I didn’t have that much to do, you know? And really, nothing to do in the third one. I knew I was going to die in the third one. I didn’t know I was going to die, having said nothing. Even the few words they gave me were going to be taken away...and even if I didn’t die, they were probably going to snap me out of existence anyway, who am I kidding?" While his time in the MCU was a disappointment, Levi says he's grateful because "I died in the Marvel Universe and then I got reborn in the DC Universe. I can’t even tell you how unbelievably cool that is and how grateful I am for that." www.comicbookmovie.com/thor/shazam-star-zachary-levi-recalls-disappointment-with-thor-role-and-the-promise-marvel-studios-failed-to-keep-a187825#gs.au9izaThe MCU has always seemed to treat the rest of the characters in the Thor franchise with a certain amount of... I don't know, disrespect? Or at least a lack of care and importance. The only Thor characters to get a decent amount of development were Thor, Loki and Odin.. then later on Hela and Valkyrie. Frigga barely does anything. Lady Sif is given nothing to do. Heimdall is sinfully wasted. The Warriors Three are treated like cardboard cutouts The Frost Giants and Dark Elves were completely forgettable. Balder doesn't even exist. And it's not like the MCU can't handle large ensemble casts. Just look at how much development was given to the side characters in Black Panther. Nakia, Okoye, Everett Ross, W'kabi, Shuri, M'Baku, Ramonda, Zuri, T'Chaka, Klaue... all had far more personality and impact than the side characters in the Thor franchise, and BP only had one movie to develop those characters whereas Thor already had 3. Heck, even Ayo is more memorable than Lady Sif, and Sif already had 2 movies plus a few guest appearances in AoS to be developed. I can understand the first Thor movie not focusing on the Asgardians as much since it needed to be Earthbound, but Thor: TDW should have focused more on Asgard instead of focusing again on earth and Jane Foster and her team. The movie started off great, with Jane being the fish out of water in Asgard, but they ruined it by returning to Earth by the 2nd half of the film and tossing away all the Asgardians.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Sept 8, 2021 15:34:19 GMT
Zachary Levi shares his experience working on the second film. "To be honest, I had seen the first one, and I didn’t really feel like The Warriors Three were used all that well. So, I was like, ‘Hey, are you going to actually use these folks?' And they said, ‘Oh no, we’re gonna use The Warriors Three a lot in Thor: The Dark World . A lot. Yeah, you’re going to be busy.’ And I was like, ‘Okay,’ so I signed up for it." "I didn’t have that much to do, you know? And really, nothing to do in the third one. I knew I was going to die in the third one. I didn’t know I was going to die, having said nothing. Even the few words they gave me were going to be taken away...and even if I didn’t die, they were probably going to snap me out of existence anyway, who am I kidding?" While his time in the MCU was a disappointment, Levi says he's grateful because "I died in the Marvel Universe and then I got reborn in the DC Universe. I can’t even tell you how unbelievably cool that is and how grateful I am for that." www.comicbookmovie.com/thor/shazam-star-zachary-levi-recalls-disappointment-with-thor-role-and-the-promise-marvel-studios-failed-to-keep-a187825#gs.au9izaThe MCU has always seemed to treat the rest of the characters in the Thor franchise with a certain amount of... I don't know, disrespect? Or at least a lack of care and importance. The only Thor characters to get a decent amount of development were Thor, Loki and Odin.. then later on Hela and Valkyrie. Frigga barely does anything. Lady Sif is given nothing to do. Heimdall is sinfully wasted. The Warriors Three are treated like cardboard cutouts The Frost Giants and Dark Elves were completely forgettable. Balder doesn't even exist. And it's not like the MCU can't handle large ensemble casts. Just look at how much development was given to the side characters in Black Panther. Nakia, Okoye, Everett Ross, W'kabi, Shuri, M'Baku, Ramonda, Zuri, T'Chaka, Klaue... all had far more personality and impact than the side characters in the Thor franchise, and BP only had one movie to develop those characters whereas Thor already had 3. Heck, even Ayo is more memorable than Lady Sif, and Sif already had 2 movies plus a few guest appearances in AoS to be developed. I can understand the first Thor movie not focusing on the Asgardians as much since it needed to be Earthbound, but Thor: TDW should have focused more on Asgard instead of focusing again on earth and Jane Foster and her team. The movie started off great, with Jane being the fish out of water in Asgard, but they ruined it by returning to Earth by the 2nd half of the film and tossing away all the Asgardians. I’m assuming by time TDW was being filmed, Feige and crew knew how they wanted the Avengers/Thanos phase to play out and the demands of the future projects took over. Probably the best example is Loki surviving his death and usurping Odin’s throne again. However, it is his mismanagement of Asgard that sets up Ragnarok and everything that follows including his loop back that has helped muck up the timelines. As for the lesser Asgardian characters, I don’t see the purpose of them being deeper than they are. There are already multiple plot lines that go nowhere. Sif is not dead, so I’m hoping she returns to serve alongside Brunhilde. In our Earth 616 verse, Balder the Brave and Tyr may have met the same fate as Hela, either dead or banished by Odin after he rewrote Asgardian history to be benign than it is later revealed to be by Hela. Perhaps Ragnarok releases them and we’ve not met them yet. Maybe some are in lockdown working for the TVA or stuck in the Void. It does appear New Asgard being relocated to the Oklahoma prairie is happening. Asgard still needs heroes.
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Post by _ on Sept 8, 2021 16:05:23 GMT
I like that Jenkins said that about the script then went and made WW84. Well, she helped write that one, so she obviously liked the script more.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Sept 9, 2021 22:59:04 GMT
I like that Jenkins said that about the script then went and made WW84. Actually, FIRST she went and made Wonder Woman, which was great. And even WW84 isn't as bad as either Thor Dark World or Terminator Genysis. As awful as WW84 is I've still re-watched it more times than either of the other two. (Yes, I re-watch movies, and Gal Gadot flying makes me have an episode in my pants every time.)
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Post by Skaathar on Sept 10, 2021 2:27:23 GMT
I like that Jenkins said that about the script then went and made WW84. Actually, FIRST she went and made Wonder Woman, which was great. And even WW84 isn't as bad as either Thor Dark World or Terminator Genysis. As awful as WW84 is I've still re-watched it more times than either of the other two. (Yes, I re-watch movies, and Gal Gadot flying makes me have an episode in my pants every time.) To be fair, she didn't write the script for the first Wonder Woman movie. That was more Snyder I believe. But she did write the script for WW84 and the reason she left Thor: TDW was because the studio wouldn't allow her version of the script/story. And I have to disagree, Thor: TDW might not be a good MCU film but it's still better than WW84. You can even use RT or IMDB scores and you'll see TDW is consistently ranked higher than WW84, both by critics AND audiences.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Sept 13, 2021 14:31:42 GMT
Actually, FIRST she went and made Wonder Woman, which was great. And even WW84 isn't as bad as either Thor Dark World or Terminator Genysis. As awful as WW84 is I've still re-watched it more times than either of the other two. (Yes, I re-watch movies, and Gal Gadot flying makes me have an episode in my pants every time.)To be fair, she didn't write the script for the first Wonder Woman movie. That was more Snyder I believe. But she did write the script for WW84 and the reason she left Thor: TDW was because the studio wouldn't allow her version of the script/story. And I have to disagree, Thor: TDW might not be a good MCU film but it's still better than WW84. You can even use RT or IMDB scores and you'll see TDW is consistently ranked higher than WW84, both by critics AND audiences. Gal Gadot flying still makes me have an episode in my pants every time. Nothing in Dark World does. lol
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Post by Skaathar on Sept 13, 2021 18:09:11 GMT
To be fair, she didn't write the script for the first Wonder Woman movie. That was more Snyder I believe. But she did write the script for WW84 and the reason she left Thor: TDW was because the studio wouldn't allow her version of the script/story. And I have to disagree, Thor: TDW might not be a good MCU film but it's still better than WW84. You can even use RT or IMDB scores and you'll see TDW is consistently ranked higher than WW84, both by critics AND audiences. Gal Gadot flying still makes me have an episode in my pants every time. Nothing in Dark World does. lol Yeah but the amount of stupid stuff that happens in WW84 also surpasses anything dumb that happens in TDW.
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