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Post by blade on May 17, 2017 23:57:13 GMT
Discuss.
I dont believe in atheists because they can't actually prove they are atheists.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 0:39:30 GMT
I have no real need to believe in them. Being one, I know for a fact that they exist. Makes things easy!
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Post by gadreel on May 18, 2017 2:09:46 GMT
Discuss. I dont believe in atheists because they can't actually prove they are atheists. The more you post, the more I believe in people that can function without any sort of higher neural function.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 4:15:12 GMT
I believe in some of them.
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Post by Catman on May 18, 2017 4:21:51 GMT
Cogito ergo sum.
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Post by lowtacks86 on May 18, 2017 4:23:19 GMT
I believe you're borderline retarded.
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Post by Marv on May 18, 2017 4:33:58 GMT
Do you need to believe in things you know are real?
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 4:36:42 GMT
I have no real need to believe in them. Being one, I know for a fact that they exist. Makes things easy! I swore your dinosaur just winked at me Guess I just imagined it 😭😂
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Post by The Herald Erjen on May 18, 2017 6:10:54 GMT
I believe in them, although I've heard they're not atheists when they're in foxholes (with that being both literal and allegorical for any life-threatening situation).
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 7:44:28 GMT
I believe in them, although I've heard they're not atheists when they're in foxholes (with that being both literal and allegorical for any life-threatening situation). There could be some measure of truth in this canard, in that occasions when one is facing one's own mortality is a time when one is most likely to suddenly 'find' religion. I actually had a friend who didn't believe in God but then became suicidal and then started to doubt her atheism. However if so, that would only serve to underline the fact that religious belief tends to come from fear. It has been observed that those with religious beliefs tend to have greater fear of death and are more likely to request extreme life preserving measures when facing death.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on May 18, 2017 7:52:10 GMT
I believe in them, although I've heard they're not atheists when they're in foxholes (with that being both literal and allegorical for any life-threatening situation). There could be some measure of truth in this canard, in that occasions when one is facing one's own mortality is a time when one is most likely to suddenly 'find' religion. I actually had a friend who didn't believe in God but then became suicidal and then started to doubt her atheism. However if so, that would only serve to underline the fact that religious belief tends to come from fear. It has been observed that those with religious beliefs tend to have greater fear of death and are more likely to request extreme life preserving measures when facing death. Interesting. I must be an exception to that rule. Going on like this forever is not something that I find desirable.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 7:58:27 GMT
There could be some measure of truth in this canard, in that occasions when one is facing one's own mortality is a time when one is most likely to suddenly 'find' religion. I actually had a friend who didn't believe in God but then became suicidal and then started to doubt her atheism. However if so, that would only serve to underline the fact that religious belief tends to come from fear. It has been observed that those with religious beliefs tend to have greater fear of death and are more likely to request extreme life preserving measures when facing death. Interesting. I must be an exception to that rule. Going on like this forever is not something that I find desirable. Yes, you're an unusual case as I recall that you're not all that keen on life. In which case, I don't understand why you believe God to be worthy of worship, because God created all the things about your life that you don't like and would have known from since the start of creation that you were going to be dissatisfied. I think that there are some Christians who are also not terribly keen on life, but their Christianity consoles them that it's all for a higher purpose and that even if they don't always love their life, it has intrinsic value.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on May 18, 2017 8:15:45 GMT
Interesting. I must be an exception to that rule. Going on like this forever is not something that I find desirable. Yes, you're an unusual case as I recall that you're not all that keen on life. In which case, I don't understand why you believe God to be worthy of worship, because God created all the things about your life that you don't like and would have known from since the start of creation that you were going to be dissatisfied. I think that there are some Christians who are also not terribly keen on life, but their Christianity consoles them that it's all for a higher purpose and that even if they don't always love their life, it has intrinsic value. This life is filled with pain, but it is temporary. My real life is eternal. The two are differentiated in Matthew 16:25. Sorry, but I don't know how to explain it so that a materialist would understand it.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 8:20:07 GMT
Yes, you're an unusual case as I recall that you're not all that keen on life. In which case, I don't understand why you believe God to be worthy of worship, because God created all the things about your life that you don't like and would have known from since the start of creation that you were going to be dissatisfied. I think that there are some Christians who are also not terribly keen on life, but their Christianity consoles them that it's all for a higher purpose and that even if they don't always love their life, it has intrinsic value. This life is filled with pain, but it is temporary. My real life is eternal. The two are differentiated in Matthew 16:25. Sorry, but I don't know how to explain it so that a materialist would understand it. That's just saying 'this deal is so shitty, there has to be some kind of compensation to make up for it after death'. The fact that you think that it would be fair for compensation to follow your 'temporary life' doesn't have any bearing on reality. I also think that it's rather a raw deal that I'm stuck here just because 2 people had sex, but if a complete cessation of consciousness follows on from the end of life, I will no longer have any desire for compensation because I won't exist. And also I realise that what I desire has nothing to do with what is true.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on May 18, 2017 8:27:11 GMT
Discuss. I dont believe in atheists because they can't actually prove they are atheists. What would prove to you that someone was an atheist?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on May 18, 2017 8:38:04 GMT
This life is filled with pain, but it is temporary. My real life is eternal. The two are differentiated in Matthew 16:25. Sorry, but I don't know how to explain it so that a materialist would understand it. That's just saying 'this deal is so shitty, there has to be some kind of compensation to make up for it after death'. The fact that you think that it would be fair for compensation to follow your 'temporary life' doesn't have any bearing on reality. I also think that it's rather a raw deal that I'm stuck here just because 2 people had sex, but if a complete cessation of consciousness follows on from the end of life, I will no longer have any desire for compensation because I won't exist. And also I realise that what I desire has nothing to do with what is true. Yeah. So? What any of us desires has nothing to do with what is true. Maybe it was overly optimistic, but I kind of expected you to spare me the usual armchair psych analysis.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on May 18, 2017 8:40:13 GMT
I have no real need to believe in them. Being one, I know for a fact that they exist. Makes things easy! I swore your dinosaur just winked at me Guess I just imagined it 😭😂 You didn't imagine it. Since your post I've noticed it happening twice. Make that three times. The dinosaur on the quoted section just did it.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 8:46:42 GMT
That's just saying 'this deal is so shitty, there has to be some kind of compensation to make up for it after death'. The fact that you think that it would be fair for compensation to follow your 'temporary life' doesn't have any bearing on reality. I also think that it's rather a raw deal that I'm stuck here just because 2 people had sex, but if a complete cessation of consciousness follows on from the end of life, I will no longer have any desire for compensation because I won't exist. And also I realise that what I desire has nothing to do with what is true. Yeah. So? What any of us desires has nothing to do with what is true. Maybe it was overly optimistic, but I kind of expected you to spare me the usual armchair psych analysis. I apologise, but it was really just to illustrate the fact that if this is the deal that God was offering, it still doesn't make sense to subject people to that suffering (because of HIS bodged job) in order that they may gain a reward. It's an illogical bargain from an entity that is more befitting of a cowboy tradesman than an entity of absolute benevolence, knowledge and intelligence. Because if you were never born, you wouldn't have to endure the suffering and wouldn't have any desire or need for the reward.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on May 18, 2017 8:52:17 GMT
Yeah. So? What any of us desires has nothing to do with what is true. Maybe it was overly optimistic, but I kind of expected you to spare me the usual armchair psych analysis. I apologise, but it was really just to illustrate the fact that if this is the deal that God was offering, it still doesn't make sense to subject people to that suffering (because of HIS bodged job) in order that they may gain a reward. It's an illogical bargain from an entity that is more befitting of a cowboy tradesman than an entity of absolute benevolence, knowledge and intelligence. Because if you were never born, you wouldn't have to endure the suffering and wouldn't have any desire or need for the reward. Isn't this "fact" predicated on the notion that it was God who botched the job, and not Man?
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 8:56:17 GMT
I apologise, but it was really just to illustrate the fact that if this is the deal that God was offering, it still doesn't make sense to subject people to that suffering (because of HIS bodged job) in order that they may gain a reward. It's an illogical bargain from an entity that is more befitting of a cowboy tradesman than an entity of absolute benevolence, knowledge and intelligence. Because if you were never born, you wouldn't have to endure the suffering and wouldn't have any desire or need for the reward. Isn't this "fact" predicated on the notion that it was God who botched the job, and not Man? It is, but man can only behave within the parameters that God has designed. And is also reacting to events occurring in the natural world which is not within man's realm of control. In which case the design for humans/the evolutionary process is severely lacking and bears the hallmark of a designer who is at best incompetent, and at worst malevolent.
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