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Post by janntosh on Aug 16, 2021 4:32:06 GMT
Bigger event critically and commercially and even culturally. Haven’t seen it but Kirk and Picard team up and Kirk dies? Instead it is basically a footnote in the franchise
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Post by kolchak92 on Aug 16, 2021 4:37:34 GMT
Well I think a big part of it was that people imagined the the crews of original and the Next Generation joining forced together on the Enterprise or something, which is basically what the trailer made the film look like. Instead we got something of an elongated episode of The Next Generation with William Shatner as sort of a special guest star appearing in bookends along with a brief appearance by James Doohan and Walter Koenig. I think if the filmmakers had just given fans what they were hoping for (and what the trailer all but promised), the movie would have been a much bigger hit.
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Post by onethreetwo on Aug 16, 2021 4:39:46 GMT
It was a big deal in the Star Trek community at the time despite the community's collective groan about Kirk's death scene. It's just that First Contact came out next as a critic and fan favorite. People were glad to forget how disappointing Generations was.
Edit: The Generations movie poster is my favorite Star Trek movie poster. It's inspired. And it was everywhere at the time. I feel like the marketing was there.
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Post by ck100 on Aug 16, 2021 4:57:00 GMT
Leonard Maltin Movie Guide Review:
Star Trek Generations (1994) - 3 out of 4 stars
"The old guard gives way to the new, as Capt. Kirk (Shatner) passes the baton to a new Starfleet commander, Capt. Picard (Stewart). Episodic adventure yarn plays like an elongated segment of the Next Generation TV series; not inspired, perhaps, but entertaining just the same, with some impressive special effects. Oddly enough, the weakest segment is the climactic teaming of Picard and Kirk, which seems like a leftover from an old Saturday matinee serial. Whoopi Goldbderg appears unbilled as Guinan."
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Post by Prime etc. on Aug 16, 2021 6:42:10 GMT
Yeah it was a bad idea.
The story goes that the crew wanted more money and so they dumped them into the feature films.
They weren't ready for prime time.
Also, huge disservice to fans killing Kirk like that and without Spock involved.
Shatner said killing him was a mistake.
He was killed on a bridge.
They felt they needed the old ST to get publicity for the new crew and they are right.
It's cringe-worthy to see Kirk handing the frying pan to Picard--it makes the latter really look like a tool.
Also the energy ribbon makes no sense.
If the ribbon gives you whatever you desire-how do you know you are out of the ribbon?
It could be a very detailed illusion that Picard was experiencing.
Spiner was good though--he, Dorn, and Burton are the strongest of that cast.
Syewart worked better in the X-men for some reason.
In Star Trek movies he was all messed up.
First Contact--he was really out of character.
"If you see the crew assimilated- kill them-you will be doing them a favor."
Did he feel that way when he became Locutis of Borg?
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Post by kolchak92 on Aug 16, 2021 12:28:35 GMT
It was a big deal in the Star Trek community at the time despite the community's collective groan about Kirk's death scene. It's just that First Contact came out next as a critic and fan favorite. People were glad to forget how disappointing Generations was. Edit: The Generations movie poster is my favorite Star Trek movie poster. It's inspired. And it was everywhere at the time. I feel like the marketing was there. Oh yeah, the poster art for it was pretty amazing. Also, I think it's the best looking Star Trek movie of all thirteen of them.
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Post by kolchak92 on Aug 16, 2021 13:50:28 GMT
Leonard Maltin Movie Guide Review: Star Trek Generations (1994) - 3 out of 4 stars"The old guard gives way to the new, as Capt. Kirk (Shatner) passes the baton to a new Starfleet commander, Capt. Picard (Stewart). Episodic adventure yarn plays like an elongated segment of the Next Generation TV series; not inspired, perhaps, but entertaining just the same, with some impressive special effects. Oddly enough, the weakest segment is the climactic teaming of Picard and Kirk, which seems like a leftover from an old Saturday matinee serial. Whoopi Goldbderg appears unbilled as Guinan." I love how he says the Kirk and Picard teaming up feels like it came out of a Saturday matinee serial, because it really does feel that way.
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Post by politicidal on Aug 16, 2021 13:58:33 GMT
I only saw it once but remember being bored by it.
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Post by Lux on Aug 16, 2021 15:36:00 GMT
I only saw it once but remember being bored by it. What? |
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Post by politicidal on Aug 16, 2021 16:30:46 GMT
I only saw it once but remember being bored by it. What? I was expecting something a little more interesting with Picard and Kirk meeting for the first time. The holodeck scene in the beginning was kind of fun.
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Post by Lux on Aug 16, 2021 16:34:37 GMT
I was expecting something a little more interesting with Picard and Kirk meeting for the first time. The holodeck scene in the beginning was kind of fun. And what about the villain? |
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Post by politicidal on Aug 16, 2021 16:36:58 GMT
I was expecting something a little more interesting with Picard and Kirk meeting for the first time. The holodeck scene in the beginning was kind of fun. And what about the villain? McDowell was just another mad scientist. I like him but the character was just 'meh'.
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Post by claudius on Aug 16, 2021 17:47:53 GMT
In view of janntosh’s thread on TSfS, which Enterprise got the more favored demise- the OG or D?
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Post by kolchak92 on Aug 16, 2021 18:35:53 GMT
In view of janntosh’s thread on TSfS, which Enterprise got the more favored demise- the OG or D? I was always kind of irritated with them destroying the Enterprise-D in Generations, felt kind of wasteful to me. The original Enterprise being destroyed in III felt like it had more of a purpose.
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Post by judgejosephdredd on Aug 16, 2021 19:23:01 GMT
Not only that but the first TNG movie as well.
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Post by ck100 on Aug 16, 2021 22:44:11 GMT
I like it, but it's a very "middle of the road" type of movie in terms of ranking the Star Trek films.
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Post by mgmarshall on Aug 17, 2021 4:13:13 GMT
Meh, it's no masterpiece, but I don't fully get the hate it receives. I think the stuff between Picard and Kirk actually works pretty well, despite Kirk's death being underwhelming. It's not too bad as a "passing the torch" movie.
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Post by onethreetwo on Aug 17, 2021 5:10:07 GMT
It was a big deal in the Star Trek community at the time despite the community's collective groan about Kirk's death scene. It's just that First Contact came out next as a critic and fan favorite. People were glad to forget how disappointing Generations was. Edit: The Generations movie poster is my favorite Star Trek movie poster. It's inspired. And it was everywhere at the time. I feel like the marketing was there. Oh yeah, the poster art for it was pretty amazing. Also, I think it's the best looking Star Trek movie of all thirteen of them. Yeah whoever did the lighting for the movie really hit it out of the park. I agree it's a fantastic looking movie. |
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Post by wmcclain on Aug 17, 2021 12:00:15 GMT
Star Trek: Generations (1994), directed by David Carson. I get it: bring out the old guard one last time to ease the new TV crew into theatrical films. And I think they have been clever in handling the old dogs: in the story they are in retirement and find it funny to be brought back into action, just as the audience might. It is a shared joke, disarming criticism. And killing Kirk? Twice? Fine: he has to go out heroically. How could it be otherwise? And yet, why does the story seem so small, so second rate? Malcolm McDowell is adequate as the villain, those raging demons behind his eyes. All characters present get a little time and do nothing really off base... Do we believe Picard's heaven is a Dickensian Christmas? Ok, maybe it is about the family he never had. And Kirk's is frying eggs in a kind of sketchy mountain cabin? No way, I don't believe it. This is a weak setup to the disastrous climax. Killing Kirk turns out to be pointless running, punching, falling, making quips on a cheap location set. His dying words... better be special... "It was fun". Oh, brother. What would have satisfied people? Probably nothing less than Kirk, last survivor of the Enterprise, riding his starship into a cataclysmic collision with his enemy. Much like his dad in the Star Trek (2009) reboot, in fact. On the plus side, John A. Alonzo ( Harold and Maude (1971), Vanishing Point (1971), Chinatown (1974)) is the cinematographer and does his own lighting, a big step up in quality. I've never seen those sorts of shadows in the spaceships before. Checking off a bunch of Trek features: - Romulans and Klingons. Bye Lursa and B'Etor.
- Holodeck. Why do they need a separate Stellar Cartography room?
- Data gone wacky.
- Time travel to save the day.
- Crashing the Enterprise yet again. Twice.
I won't gripe about plot holes and incoherence, but have to mention one bit of SF stupidity that kills me. Soran collapses a star (twice, we do everything twice this time) to alter the course of the Nexus. Which wouldn't work: the star's gravity is still there, collapsed or not. You could turn it into a black hole and it wouldn't have made a difference. A thirteen year old could have explained this to them. Available on Blu-ray with two commentary tracks: - An inconsequential chat between the director and an unconnected producer.
- A livelier, more honest and self-critical conversation between the writers, Ronald D. Moore and Brannon Braga.
The writers admit the weak parts of their story. They have no idea of what the Nexus is or how it works, so don't expect it to make sense. They describe Picard's scene with his dream children as "sickenly sweet". They also apologize for the ad hoc physics and engineering overload that came on strong in the Next Generation era. When writing they would just have something like: They would then hand this to their "science" advisor who would come back with possible "tech" word substitutions. They were writing this and "All Good Things...", the feature-length finale to Star Trek: The Next Generation, at the same time. You can see the similarities. And Brent Spiner hates cats. * * * That's it, I have now reviewed all of the feature films from the original cast and Next Generation eras, apart from Star Trek: Nemesis (2002), which I don't have the heart to see again. 
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