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Post by Marv on May 18, 2017 23:40:10 GMT
That isn't what happened. The island was not purgatory. The island was a real place in our real world, not some afterlife. You're not the first person that's thought this tho and I'm honestly surprised at how many people 'didn't get' the flash sideways parts of the last season. I'd be happy to explain further if you like but if you think they all died in the plane crash at the beginning I'd suggest rewatching it completely as...that's not what happens. I think my 2nd reply to you misled everyone. I never thought the island was purgatory. I said people guessed early on the show would end with everyone in purgatory and that's how it ended. I understood then and now that the island wasn't purgatory and that they didn't die in the pilot. There was even a painfully contrived explanation from someone (Jack's dad or Locke?) detailing exactly that in the finale. A finale set in....... Purgatory which the writers assured everyone would not be part of the story. If I recall correctly, the island was a cork  , right? The show was about the characters BUT the reason it became such a huge hit was all the mysteries. The failure to answer the insane number of questions that were raised is why so many people hated the finale. But they didn't guess correctly...because they guessed the island was purgatory, when it never was. The purgatory aspects weren't even added until season 6, well after the initial fan theories and seemed like just a way to have an in show reunion for all the characters as much as anything else. The purgatory had no impact on the story. |
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Post by Marv on May 18, 2017 23:46:00 GMT
Well there is the claim that the plot was originally purgatory but got changed and later was reused for the final season. I'm not so sure that is true since I recall there were supernatural events like Walt and Aaron happening off-island within the first Season. I haven't watched it in a long time now, but I remember everyone everywhere putting too much effort focusing on the Island when the main story was about Jack's father issues, Kate and Sawyer's relationship issues, Ben's power, Locke's faith et al. Literally 50% of the show consisted of character flashbacks or flashforwards. Agreed. I can definitely see why people thought the island was some form of an afterlife. A lot of the islands mysteries kind of make sense looking at it that way. I've just heard so many people claim 'I knew they died in the plane crash' so many times I've smacked my head over it. Lost is deliberately confusing tho at times tho so... They also definitely intended Walt to be a bigger player initially. You can tell they wanted it but then couldn't figure out how to explain him aging years when they've been on an island for 2 months. The writing in general takes several turns throughout. Adapting as they go. Making good and bad changes. The show definitely didn't have a solid idea in mind from day one. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 0:31:38 GMT
Well there is the claim that the plot was originally purgatory but got changed and later was reused for the final season. I'm not so sure that is true since I recall there were supernatural events like Walt and Aaron happening off-island within the first Season. I haven't watched it in a long time now, but I remember everyone everywhere putting too much effort focusing on the Island when the main story was about Jack's father issues, Kate and Sawyer's relationship issues, Ben's power, Locke's faith et al. Literally 50% of the show consisted of character flashbacks or flashforwards. They also definitely intended Walt to be a bigger player initially. You can tell they wanted it but then couldn't figure out how to explain him aging years when they've been on an island for 2 months. The writing in general takes several turns throughout. Adapting as they go. Making good and bad changes. The show definitely didn't have a solid idea in mind from day one. I forgot the first four seasons only took place over a few months. I'd like to see all the documents surrounding the show leaked someday. I remember reading how they came up with the Black rock stuff and thought it was interesting. It has a very interesting organic history as opposed to newer shows which are more automated, refined, and completed prior to filming. Production history of LOST is more interesting than the history of GOT or House of cards. I think it's possible that the "convoluted" mythology bits people disliked may have been original ideas from the original show bible but they struggled to include them in the finished product. |
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Post by Marv on May 19, 2017 0:35:13 GMT
I agree. I just imagine there being a lot of redirections in the writers meetings. Also there was the writers strike mid series so that could've toppled a few things not only for Lost but other shows at that time.
I know Heroes suffered because of it. But they also felt like they were writing it as they went along as opposed to preconceived ideas and were more open to letting fan reactions determine their direction.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 0:50:39 GMT
Yep I agree with that. I seem to remember someone noted down the differences between the episodes of S4 that were filmed pre-strike and those post-strike.
The Jacob's (or mib) cabin stuff was more weird pre-strike. It could literally move around in the first episode of S4 and the Economist. But it was shown to be static for the rest of the show.
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Post by Marv on May 19, 2017 0:54:11 GMT
I wasn't big on Jacob or the Man in Black stuff on the first go round. I know it winds up being the main plot driving storyline in the end but...meh.
I'll see if it sits better on this rewatch.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 1:07:50 GMT
Yeah it doesn't really work in hindsight. The cabin stuff is a retcon. I like the first introduction of Jacob, as it makes him mysterious. The stuff in S6 (across the sea) was trying to humanise them which is what Lost does. I think Cuse said now we know the question is not "what is the monster" but "Who is the monster" we have a more meaningful question. But I don't think anyone really cared about new characters being added at all. That's what I meant when I said I would like to read the untold production history. See how many things were old ideas being recycled or retcons.
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Post by romad on May 19, 2017 2:39:46 GMT
I liked the ending
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 19, 2017 11:14:23 GMT
I wasn't big on Jacob or the Man in Black stuff on the first go round. I know it winds up being the main plot driving storyline in the end but...meh. I'll see if it sits better on this rewatch. Yeah, on first rewatch, Jacob was confusing since he was a part of the mystery until he just popped up as normal which on a week to week basis was distracting from the characters I cared about.
On the second watch, they flow into the story better since we aren;t wondering who the heck he is.However, I always loved the Man in Black because of his integral ties to Locke who is my favorite character on any TV show. |
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Post by twothousandonemark on May 19, 2017 11:38:53 GMT
I love LOST. Binged the series the summer right after S6 ended.
Been re-watching a season (in order of course) each September since 2014's 10th anniversary. I may probably keep doing that for decades.
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Post by Marv on May 19, 2017 12:25:11 GMT
I loved LOST. Binged the series the summer right after S6 ended. Been re-watching a season (in order of course) each September since 2014's 10th anniversary. I may probably keep doing that for decades. Great pic btw. That's in my top 3 favorite movies of all time. |
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Post by Larcen26 on May 19, 2017 14:16:35 GMT
I liked the ending. And loved the final episode.
My problem is that it needed about 6 more episodes before it.
I think if they had taken 2 full final seasons, instead of 2 shorter seasons, a lot of the problems people have would have been taken care of.
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Post by twothousandonemark on May 21, 2017 14:52:39 GMT
I liked the essence of the final season, though Across the Sea should have either come much sooner &/or broken down as flashbacks. It was probably too jarring to have a 100% Jacob & MIB episode so near the series' crescendo. It's a bit strange that the show had all hands on deck for that episode, & pretty much everyone involved with the show's production loved it - meanwhile it landed quite sorely with mainstream viewers.
The End worked perfectly for me, the heaviest gravitas of the show for me was always Jack & his father.
During my series re-watch binge in 2010, there seemed to be some foreshadowing of ideas even if they were as many could pinpoint as mere whiteboard ideas thrown up for trial.
S1 Claire's dream about Locke looking rather like MIB. Hugo's then throwaway joke about when in time they are. Nearly everyone uttering the line (or some variation of) 'Let it go'.
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Post by bluerisk on May 21, 2017 20:30:42 GMT
The writers of the show have - till this day - no idea what the island was.
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Post by Marv on May 22, 2017 20:03:12 GMT
Just finished season 2...Very good. Loved the tailies at the beginning and the conflict with the raft guys. Ana Lucia, Mr EKo, and Libby are all interesting characters. The hatch is ok. The conflict over whether to push the button or not push the button honestly kind of got a little old. If people want to push it just let em push it, if not then who cares? Is how i felt after a few episodes of it. Michaels betrayal felt, how it was supposed to. I wanted him dead.
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Post by Larcen26 on May 23, 2017 13:25:10 GMT
Just finished season 2...Very good. Loved the tailies at the beginning and the conflict with the raft guys. Ana Lucia, Mr EKo, and Libby are all interesting characters. The hatch is ok. The conflict over whether to push the button or not push the button honestly kind of got a little old. If people want to push it just let em push it, if not then who cares? Is how i felt after a few episodes of it. Michaels betrayal felt, how it was supposed to. I wanted him dead. That was why he killed both Ana Lucia AND Libby. He was originally only supposed to kill Ana Lucia, but the audience didn't embrace her as much as they had hoped, so it wouldn't have had the right emotional impact...so Libby had to go too. |
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 23, 2017 16:21:35 GMT
Poor Libby.
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Post by primeone on May 25, 2017 23:22:11 GMT
I was thinking about watching that, but then I started watching 12 Monkeys and Animal Kingdom.
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Post by Marv on May 30, 2017 7:06:04 GMT
Finished Season 3...I will say that this is probably my favorite season. I love the first few episodes with Jack, Kate and Sawyer in prison cells and interacting with the Others as well as the ongoing relationship between Sawyer and Kate throughout the season. I love that Ben became a much bigger deal and the introduction of Juliet who is a fabulous character, as well as Mikhail and Tom within the Others. This is probably the first season i didn't hate Charlie also. I had an on again off again liking to Charlie throughout but in this one, especially when he's with Hurley or Desmond, I enjoyed him. Speaking of...the episode with Hurley Jin Sawyer and Charlie fixing up the old van is such a fun episode. Locke is still Locke, always putting his faith in some unknown force. Sad to see Mr Eko and Charlie go, but knowing they show up in flashbacks and whatnot makes it alright. Definitely my favorite season so far.
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Post by jervistetch on May 30, 2017 7:51:04 GMT
Hope you enjoy Season 4, Marv. It's short and fantastic. It has, after Season 1, the best season finale of the series.
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