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Post by judgejosephdredd on Aug 28, 2021 23:49:26 GMT
My, it looks like I have hurt someone's feelings. First you accuse me of generalizing everyone who liked The Last Jedi into a singular clique(Which I did not), then you accuse me of neglecting your fanaticism to Star Wars as a whole (How the heck was I supposed to know you wrote an article about it that was published? You never shared that information before in prior discussion). I will clarify - You can still be a fan of Star Wars but give or take how it goes about its mythology, which appears to be the case with regard to some of those that I have seen show strong appreciation towards The Last Jedi. The film pretty much takes a leak on Luke Skywalker's character and the force and the mental gymnastics it takes to accept all as organic and welcoming is no easy feat for a hardcore fan of the brand, one who is more willing to let whatever slide by will be satisfied as long as it feels well-done on a filmmaking standpoint. The fact that you didn't know that I wrote one is why you shouldn't do what you've been doing in this thread up until your little clarification there - which is still you treating your personal view of what SW should be as the one true objective, but hey, at least it's slightly less gatekeep-y. Fun fact: the article I wrote was a defense of certain elements of the SW prequels, one of which was the non-accidental portrayal of the Jedi as a rather shitty dogma that fell in part due to its own hubris. This was three years before TLJ came out, mind you. Isn't it confirmed that Lucas wanted to do basically the same thing with Luke as TLJ did? This would appear to give people who liked TLJ the upper hand in a pissing match over who's a bigger SW fan and understands the mythology better, yet if someone hears out my "mental gymnastics" and still doesn't like Luke's portrayal, I tend to just accept that. A question - what are you looking to do here? It seems the mission was to at first bait me into giving you minutes of my time and now it looks to be that you just want to own me (likely through humiliation), I notice that it's clearly me that you have your eyes set on in this thread but nobody else here who has also expressed dislike for The Last Jedi. I would say you have made your stance quite clear(in other discussions) and mine as well, we are not going to agree on the matter and nobody will change the mind of anyone.
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Post by Cat on Aug 29, 2021 0:08:32 GMT
The fact that you didn't know that I wrote one is why you shouldn't do what you've been doing in this thread up until your little clarification there - which is still you treating your personal view of what SW should be as the one true objective, but hey, at least it's slightly less gatekeep-y. Fun fact: the article I wrote was a defense of certain elements of the SW prequels, one of which was the non-accidental portrayal of the Jedi as a rather shitty dogma that fell in part due to its own hubris. This was three years before TLJ came out, mind you. Isn't it confirmed that Lucas wanted to do basically the same thing with Luke as TLJ did? This would appear to give people who liked TLJ the upper hand in a pissing match over who's a bigger SW fan and understands the mythology better, yet if someone hears out my "mental gymnastics" and still doesn't like Luke's portrayal, I tend to just accept that. A question - what are you looking to do here? It seems the mission was to at first bait me into giving you minutes of my time and now it looks to be that you just want to own me (likely through humiliation), I notice that it's clearly me that you have your eyes set on in this thread but nobody else here who has also expressed dislike for The Last Jedi. I would say you have made your stance quite clear(in other discussions) and mine as well, we are not going to agree on the matter and nobody will change the mind of anyone. Doesn't look to me like you're debating Star Wars at all. It's personal. You did say the people who tend to like it are Rian Johnson fans or casual fans. It has nothing to do with the movie.
That's my take/guess. Other people say they don't like TLJ, but they're not guessing at ulterior motivations for sticking by it.
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Post by rudeboy on Aug 29, 2021 0:15:21 GMT
Fallen Kingdom. Gripping for the first five minutes, boring for the bulk, laughable by the end. The Last Jedi is merely mediocre throughout.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Aug 29, 2021 0:56:15 GMT
A question - what are you looking to do here? It seems the mission was to at first bait me into giving you minutes of my time and now it looks to be that you just want to own me (likely through humiliation), I notice that it's clearly me that you have your eyes set on in this thread but nobody else here who has also expressed dislike for The Last Jedi. I would say you have made your stance quite clear(in other discussions) and mine as well, we are not going to agree on the matter and nobody will change the mind of anyone. Doesn't look to me like you're debating Star Wars at all. It's personal. You did say the people who tend to like it are Rian Johnson fans or casual fans. It has nothing to do with the movie.
That's my take/guess. Other people say they don't like TLJ, but they're not guessing at ulterior motivations for sticking by it.
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Post by judgejosephdredd on Aug 30, 2021 7:02:00 GMT
A question - what are you looking to do here? It seems the mission was to at first bait me into giving you minutes of my time and now it looks to be that you just want to own me (likely through humiliation), I notice that it's clearly me that you have your eyes set on in this thread but nobody else here who has also expressed dislike for The Last Jedi. I would say you have made your stance quite clear(in other discussions) and mine as well, we are not going to agree on the matter and nobody will change the mind of anyone. Doesn't look to me like you're debating Star Wars at all. It's personal. You did say the people who tend to like it are Rian Johnson fans or casual fans. It has nothing to do with the movie.
That's my take/guess. Other people say they don't like TLJ, but they're not guessing at ulterior motivations for sticking by it.
I will admit that my original response came across as quite personal, that's largely due to the amount of tense dialog I've had with people over the others on this place and lots of others since it came out. But me and Brad have been going back and forth on The Last Jedi for months now and his need to address me felt like they were on a mission or something.
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