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Post by Isapop on Aug 27, 2021 22:42:44 GMT
...had a family?
Don't get me wrong. I love the movie, especially Robert Walker's performance.
But really now...I know Hitchcock needed an exciting climax, but couldn't there have been another way to get to it without the unbelievably negligent murder of an innocent bystander, whose death is immediately and completely forgotten about in a movie where there is so much fuss caused over a different murder of somebody else?
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Post by marianne48 on Aug 28, 2021 0:47:41 GMT
Definitely a sour ending to what was a good movie up till then. Not only does the operator presumably die, but the fact that the police are so preoccupied with Guy and Bruno that they pay no attention to the hordes of crying, injured children in the background is disturbing. And Hitchcock lifted that carousel climax from another novel, The Moving Toyshop, one of a series of bloody-but-funny mystery novels by a largely overlooked mystery author, Edmund Crispin, who apparently got no credit for it. I think the climax of Stage Fright was taken from another Crispin novel. Too bad Hitchcock never adapted any of Crispin's novels legitimately; most of them would have made a funny, suspenseful movie.
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Post by london777 on Aug 28, 2021 2:57:31 GMT
The operator was working-class. His death was insignificant. Hitchcock was British and thoroughly imbued with the class system.
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Post by jervistetch on Aug 28, 2021 3:27:56 GMT
The carousel operater’s name was John Hinckley, Sr. He did have a family. He had a four year old son named John, Jr. Junior was haunted his whole young life by his father’s demise. Junior loved movies. He fell in love with a child star named Jodie Foster. His obsession craved attention. To impress Jodie he attempted to kill President Ronald Reagan. Jodie was not impressed. Hitchcock had died a year earlier. He could never have known about the fire he had kindled. Sad.
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Post by mikef6 on Aug 28, 2021 5:11:35 GMT
Another injustice that is truly and tragically realistic is that the cop who fired the shot wide and killed the elderly carousel operator will never have to answer for his negligence. There will never be any consequences. The whole thing will be covered up and forgotten by the other cops.
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Post by timshelboy on Aug 28, 2021 10:03:19 GMT
Some important issues raised.
Let's consider some alternate carnival type climaxes Hitch had at his disposal.
Well I suppose he could have staged a shoot out in the carnival's hall of mirrors, but someone had beaten him to that one.
A Dodgem to the death duel perhaps, make Guy a racing driver instead of a Tennis pro....with maybe only a couple of witless street urchins too illiterate to have learned the highway code taken out in the process?
A fight atop the Ferris Wheel.. with Walker plungiing to his doom - an irrelevant old lady apple seller breaking his fall ?
Expand Ruth Roman's part - she now as a part time job in the joint as a Fortune teller named Tanya, whose doom laden prophecies to Walker (maybe a portent of the reviews for his next picture MY SON JOHN?) in her shadowy, bohemian, incense filled caravan provoke him to take his own life? Here's Ruth as she might have been expanded
Or maybe Granger could simply suffocate him face down in a vat of candyfloss, thus thwarting the career trajectory of the plucky migrant candyfloss peddler and his large family.
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Post by london777 on Aug 28, 2021 16:10:45 GMT
To impress Jodie he attempted to kill President Ronald Reagan. Jodie was not impressed. Not impressed because he tried, or because he failed?
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Post by Rufus-T on Aug 28, 2021 17:21:35 GMT
You have to tune to different news channels to get coverage. His death doesn't fit certain agenda.
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Post by Rufus-T on Aug 28, 2021 17:23:36 GMT
To impress Jodie he attempted to kill President Ronald Reagan. Jodie was not impressed. Not impressed because he tried, or because he failed? Probably because he is not a woman.
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Post by mattgarth on Aug 28, 2021 19:51:11 GMT
A brief shot of a dying Bruno under the carousel turned up a year later in another major film.
Walker's next picture was MY SON JOHN, (directed by two-time Oscar winner Leo McCarey) playing an intellectual Communist on the outs with all-American parents Helen Hayes and Dean Jagger.
Before the film was completed, Walker died suddenly from an allergic reaction to medication in treatment for his alcoholism at age 32.
To salvage the picture, McCarey re-wrote the climax to show Walker's character dying in a car crash on the steps of the Capitol.
Hitch lent his fellow filmmaker a brief snippet from STRANGERS showing the character recanting his Commie beliefs with his dying breath.
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Post by Doghouse6 on Aug 29, 2021 11:43:45 GMT
He was what you call "collater-ousel damage."
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Post by Isapop on Aug 29, 2021 13:33:08 GMT
A brief shot of a dying Bruno under the carousel turned up a year later in another major film. Walker's next picture was MY SON JOHN, (directed by two-time Oscar winner Leo McCarey) playing an intellectual Communist on the outs with all-American parents Helen Hayes and Dean Jagger. Before the film was completed, Walker died suddenly from an allergic reaction to medication in treatment for his alcoholism at age 32. To salvage the picture, McCarey re-wrote the climax to show Walker's character dying in a car crash on the steps of the Capitol. Hitch lent his fellow filmmaker a brief snippet from STRANGERS showing the character recanting his Commie beliefs with his dying breath. And so I just looked at it on YouTube. And, yep, that is unmistakably STRANGERS footage.
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Post by louise on Sept 3, 2021 6:34:15 GMT
I couldn’t understand why it took them so long to stop the bloody carousel. You wouldn’t think it would be that difficult.
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Post by Isapop on Sept 3, 2021 14:59:37 GMT
I couldn’t understand why it took them so long to stop the bloody carousel. You wouldn’t think it would be that difficult. Well, that shaky old guy had to crawl pretty carefully you know.
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